[HN Gopher] Apple Watch Series 10
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Apple Watch Series 10
Author : latexr
Score : 123 points
Date : 2024-09-09 18:39 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| colesantiago wrote:
| Looks like nothing has been announced that is groundbreaking
| here.
|
| It seems it was rumoured that the Apple Watch Series 10 would
| have blood pressure monitoring but instead removed the blood
| oxygen detection from US models in the fine print:
|
| "The ability to measure blood oxygen is no longer available on
| Apple Watch units sold by Apple in the United States beginning
| January 18, 2024."
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| maybe i'll buy one on my upcoming trip to europe then...
| ValentineC wrote:
| Apple Watches (even Series 9) sold by Apple resellers in the
| US (Amazon etc) still came with blood oxygen detection, even
| after firmware updates.
| chaostheory wrote:
| Only those that shipped before this year. They were getting
| hard to find even last may.
| jameshart wrote:
| The blood oxygen detection is disabled to comply with a patent
| ruling.
| ValentineC wrote:
| I think it's interesting that the new sleep apnea detection
| uses the accelerometer for detection, instead of blood oxygen
| levels.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| In another article I read last week, Apple just couldn't get
| passive blood pressure to work well enough. The tech isn't
| there yet, but I can't wait until it's standard.
|
| Whoop (another wearable) has been doing closed consumer testing
| on optical blood pressure. Probably trying to figure it out for
| the Whoop 5.0, but if it Apple couldn't figure it out this
| year, I don't think anyone will. Maybe next Christmas.
| danieldk wrote:
| I thank Apple for not releasing an Ultra 3. No FOMO this year :).
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| Honestly seems like the main reason to buy an Ultra 2 over a 10
| is if you dive, or really, really need the extra battery life.
| nostromo wrote:
| I don't care about either of those, personally.
|
| After breaking 3 Apple Watches, I just needed something more
| durable. I've been happy with it for a few years now with no
| real damages.
| nahtnam wrote:
| Cheaper to just buy apple care
| swatcoder wrote:
| Is it really good to treat things as disposable just
| because price incentives happen to make doing so cost
| efficient?
|
| If the GP has a lifestyle that's hard on their watch,
| good on them for selecting the durable product that can
| survive it instead of churning needless extraction,
| labor, shipping, time, and e-waste.
| paulcole wrote:
| I don't think it's bad to treat things as disposable.
|
| I think it's easy to scoff at (and look down on) someone
| who does treat things as disposable.
|
| But the reality is that we all (in the developed world)
| treat everything as if it's disposable. But we just like
| to think that we're mindful or whatever because it makes
| us feel good.
| gensym wrote:
| You can only buy AppleCare+ for a 2-year length.
| 8ytecoder wrote:
| AppleCare now has monthly until you cancel plans - not
| just for watch but for phone and even the monitor. (I'm
| not sure of the macs). It's a bit confusing when you
| order and I'm not sure if it's because Apple is trying to
| discourage this; I just decline during order and then add
| it separately and this option always shows up for me.
| ValentineC wrote:
| AppleCare+, since 2019, has been renewable (presumably
| until Apple declares the product obsolete) for most
| products except the AirPods (in my experience) in the
| following countries [1]:
|
| Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France,
| Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, New
| Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the United
| Kingdom and the United States
|
| [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/101560
| Kirby64 wrote:
| You can buy AppleCare+ monthly indefinitely (until they
| EOL the device) at a monthly rate. You can even renew it
| after the 2 year length into a monthly plan.
| kolbe wrote:
| Runners like the dual band GPS in the Ultra 2.
| haswell wrote:
| Some concrete reasons I have for wanting that extra battery
| life: camping, hiking, and road tripping.
|
| I can keep up with charging when I have a predictable
| schedule. When I don't, I'm always running out of battery and
| often in the worst moments, i.e. when I'm just starting a
| hike.
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| road tripping: you can charge in the car
|
| camping and hiking: sure, but for overnight trips, i have a
| battery pack (for my phone) that also has a magnetic watch
| pad.
| kstrauser wrote:
| I don't really, really need the extra battery life. I treated
| myself to a Ultra 1 when they came out and now I'd never go
| back to _having_ to charge my watch daily. Among other
| things, now I never wonder if it 's charged enough before bed
| to track my sleep. It is. It always is.
| izacus wrote:
| Unfortunately the reports from other divers say that the
| Ultra is not a very reliable diving computer with OS crashing
| and rebooting at times. Something that's unthinkable on a
| Shearwater, Garmin or even a Suunto.
| meursault334 wrote:
| I don't "really really" need the extra better life but I just
| bought a Ultra 2 on Amazon today because they were on sale
| and the 10 doesn't improve battery life at all.
|
| I've been doing hikes that last 6-8 hours (I have little kids
| so we go slow, takes breaks etc) and pretty much every time
| my Series 8 either runs out our I have to really carefully
| conserve battery. I'm hoping the Ultra 2 will mean I can just
| record my hike and not worry about it.
| kstrauser wrote:
| That's my experience with the Ultra 1. If I have even 50%
| battery, I'm ready to run or hit the gym or paddleboard or
| whatever.
| MBCook wrote:
| The 10 got the diving stuff this year, though perhaps not as
| good as the ultra.
|
| I think the big story on the ultra is just going to stay
| battery life + better GOS (for now?). Want to do a 12 hour
| trail ride? It can keep exercise mode without fully draining
| your battery.
| Spartan-S63 wrote:
| I'm hoping that means the Ultra 3 will be more interesting
| later on, in some way. Maybe a 51mm circular option to compete
| with Garmin on form factor? Maybe a bigger battery? It's
| disappointing they broke the lockstep release of the Apple
| Watch this year, though.
|
| I have an Ultra 1 and the battery life is a lot worse than the
| Ultra 2, but there's no new watch for me this year, so now I'm
| stuck.
| minkles wrote:
| Meh. Stopped wearing my S9 in May. Not sure why I bought it.
| Think AW wore off here finally. It's a nice toy but useless for
| me (even cycling / hiking etc).
|
| I take an F91W when I go hiking as it doesn't need charging.
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| I still use mine mainly for
|
| - sleep tracking combined with Athlytic for Whoop-style metrics
| (might not be the most accurate, but good enough). also silent
| alarms
|
| - runs tracking -- nice to be able to track my run and listen
| to a podcast all from the watch
|
| - swim tracking -- i guess Garmin is just as good, but love
| being able to see the screen while swimming to check my
| progress
|
| if the silly cellular plan wasn't such a JOKE ($15/month to
| share my already $60 plan???), I'd enable that and not need to
| carry my phone for emergencies on hikes/bike rides, etc.
| amonon wrote:
| What's the value of something like Athlytic/Whoops against
| just sticking to a routine?
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| Routine is Step 1, you're right. But for training, seeing
| things like HRV, resting heart rate, etc. allow you to
| optimize your training for the day based on your
| recovery/sleep.
| ra7 wrote:
| I used Athlytic for a bit, but didn't find it that
| useful. Ultimately I figured I could just read HRV and
| RHR from the Health app to optimize training.
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| Shame on me for not knowing it was already there..
| nabaraz wrote:
| Give garmin a go. One week+ battery and it's outdoor activities
| tracking is just great.
| kawsper wrote:
| I have a lower entry Garmin and it's amazing for running,
| biking and every day tracking, it's a Forerunner 245, but
| it's no smart watch.
| minkles wrote:
| I'll pass on that. I've got a Garmin handheld and OrganicMaps
| on my phone which are both fine for any remote activities I
| do. I don't need to track activities.
| truncate wrote:
| Useless is bit extreme criticism. I'm not an athlete or super
| intense, but somewhat more active than average (regular
| strength training, hiking 10-20 miles 3000-6000ft gain, bike
| ride 25-35 miles). It works just fine, its precise enough --
| and I don't care about extreme precision. Sure there are better
| devices out, and battery will last much longer for bigger
| hikes, but its good all-around for most people which works for
| both active and regular life.
| f0rgot wrote:
| Willing to sell it?
| Aaronstotle wrote:
| I love cycling with my apple watch, its actually the largest
| use case for owning one in my opinion. If I'm not exercising I
| don't wear it, I like getting the heart rate states synced to
| strava.
| minkles wrote:
| Urgh it's the worst for cycling I find. I just use the phone.
| The watch is in the wrong place to see it, the controls
| aren't tactile and the thing distracts you. All recipes for
| trouble.
| maipen wrote:
| I also ditched my apple watch.
|
| Even when working out I didn't really bother using it to track
| my workouts. Going to the gym is the only thing that mattered.
|
| For checking the time and apps? I have my phone in my pocket at
| all times...
|
| Charging it was annoying in my experience, if I didn't wear it
| for 1 or 2 days, when I wanted to wear it, it was dead...
|
| But I know some people that actualy take advantage of it, so it
| depends.
|
| If battery lasted a whole month, I would probably reconsider.
| But honestly I do without just fine...
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| I use my watch a lot to unlock things and pay for things. It
| is weird how much more I use it than my phone now (which can
| do all those things also, but is usually in my pocket and not
| on my wrist).
| fsloth wrote:
| Apple pay over the watch is killer app IMO. You can pay
| everything with it. In civilized cities like london you can use
| it to pay the public transit. While it may sound gimmicky, this
| is actually an improvement (if only slight) to daily chores.
| minkles wrote:
| I live in London. You have to wear it on the right hand side
| for TFL gates and contort yourself to use them. Also it's not
| quite as reliable as the iPhone.
|
| It was fine for ordering beer.
| braaileb wrote:
| Sounds like this isn't a compelling new release for many of you
| all but as a person with autism the training load feature is
| something I missed from Garmin. My interoception isn't very keen
| and to have this help me train mindfully is nice, I've had a
| history of either under or over training because I can't sense
| how my body is adapting.
| hbcondo714 wrote:
| Thank you for sharing. Were you by chance diagnosed with a
| sensory processing disorder[1]?
|
| https://www.autismspeaks.org/sensory-processing-disorder
| nullindividual wrote:
| A good visual representation:
|
| https://psyche.co/films/enter-the-sensory-world-of-an-
| overst...
| arthur-st wrote:
| This depends on the model, e.g., the non-entry level Forerunner
| series watches have had training load-related metrics for a
| while now. That said, Garmin is mainly a cardio watch, and by
| extension the Apple training load metrics seems to be giving a
| more presentable UX to the "default"[1] approach to cardio
| training load.
|
| [1] https://evokeendurance.com/a-new-and-better-look-at-
| training...
| bengale wrote:
| I've been using an awesome app called athlytic that takes this
| to the next level.
| cruffle_duffle wrote:
| Finally they are focusing on making that thing thinner!! That
| watch is currently obnoxiously thick and can sometimes get caught
| on clothes and stuff.
| esfandia wrote:
| But now it's also apparently larger! I'm sure I'm not the only
| person hoping for an Apple Watch that is reasonably thin and
| small.
| mistercheph wrote:
| Monkey want big shiny rock, not stupid little rock
| zombiwoof wrote:
| You made my day
| geerlingguy wrote:
| I'd love that old 38mm watch, but thinner.
|
| The problem is more little mini watch apps are adding more
| functionality / touchable area, to the point it's hard on my
| older 41mm (I think? Maybe 40?) watch to touch some of the
| touch areas.
|
| I'm guessing most devs use the giant size watches.
| mikestew wrote:
| Even Apple themselves are guilty of ridiculously small
| touch targets these days. Hold the side button until the
| emergency screen comes up. I defy you to hit the "power
| off" button on a 40mm watch on the first try. Hell, I have
| a hard enough time on my AW Ultra with these old eyes.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| agreed : it's worse when your display has a hardware
| failure, you remember how to try turning it off, and you
| screw up and trigger an emergency instead, which i've
| done.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Can't have as much ads, distractions and other "engagement"
| features on a small screen.
| Carrok wrote:
| I have had an Apple Watch for some time now, and have never
| once seen a single ad on it. As far as distractions I get
| only the notifications I want.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| Even the biggest Apple Watch screen is still tiny by any
| reasonable metric.
|
| They aren't filling the extra space with "distractions",
| they are giving you space for an extra widget or two and
| making it marginally less painful to type.
| MBCook wrote:
| The if you compare the 45mm series 8 from two years ago and
| the new 46mm series 10, it's 1mm wider, 1mm taller, and 1mm
| thinner.
|
| Not much of a change on the other axis. The thickness is
| mostly notable because that's about 10% gone.
| WorldMaker wrote:
| Thick wrist watches are in style every few decades, nothing
| says "wealth" in just about any century quite like "big chonky
| arm jewelry". I personally wouldn't have minded more battery
| rather than thinner. 18 hours still seems far too short
| compared to competitors, especially with a growing emphasis on
| sleep tracking. (Though I appreciate that claims here that
| charging time went down even further with this thinner model.)
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| Most of my friends with one would rather have longer battery
| life than have it be slimmer.
| bengale wrote:
| That's the ultra.
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| Yeah but it's still not enough. Also the ultra is more
| money than anyone I know is willing to pay for an apple
| watch.
| selykg wrote:
| As a Garmin watch user, I don't mind the bulk, it's mostly the
| general _shape_ of the Apple Watch that kills me. It's shaped
| in such a way that it just sorta knocks into things in weird
| ways.
|
| I'm ultimately still very glad I ditched the Apple Watch in
| lieu of a more fitness oriented watch but still like to keep an
| eye on what they're doing. Looks like a decent upgrade for
| someone that hasn't upgraded in several generations.
| etrautmann wrote:
| I completely disagree. I'd much rather have battery life than
| thinness.
| Menu_Overview wrote:
| Yea, this was the one "feature" I've wanted. My S8 is still
| working just fine, so no upgrade this year, but I'm glad
| they're trimming it back after several years of slight
| increases.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| If the ultra wasn't so durable mine would be dust by now from
| all the random crap it knocks into. They're giant, blocky
| watches.
| kif wrote:
| Interesting. I find the thinner S10 less appealing visually
| speaking.
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| My Series 9 totally fails at sleep detection and regularly claims
| that I am in "Deep Sleep" while I am lying there trying to get
| back to sleep. Instead of fixing that, they are adding sleep
| apnea alerts. I wish there was an alternate ecosystem that was
| actually competitive with Apple.
| 1123581321 wrote:
| That sounds like a peculiar issue, so maybe it'll be bug-fixed
| in the new iOS. They don't announce small fixes.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| It's a common issue with all health wearables because they
| don't have sufficient data.
|
| When your heart rate and respiration rate are at sleep level
| because you just slept for four hours, but you woke up and
| now you're waiting to go back to sleep, there isn't much that
| a wrist strap can do to disambiguate.
| nu11ptr wrote:
| My sleep tracking works pretty well on my S9. It isn't perfect
| and there are glitches and bugs I've noticed, but overall the
| long term trend tends to even out and feels pretty comparative
| to my old Fitbit.
| parl_match wrote:
| Garmin is actually pretty competitive. It's definitely more
| athlete and exercise focused though, to a fault.
| wintermutestwin wrote:
| I meant a company with a full ecosystem (PC/Phone/Watch) that
| was competitive.
| parl_match wrote:
| I've found that the Garmin stuff actually integrates with
| healthkit pretty effectively. You can't make calls on
| (most) of the garmin watches, but they also have 30+ day
| battery (and in worse case, active GPS and music playback
| usage 72+ hours).
|
| But I don't want to make calls or texts or be bugged by a
| fitness device.
|
| Plus, the long battery life means you can sleep with it on
| without thinking about or caring about charging.
| rollcat wrote:
| S6 user here, yeah sleep tracking can be dodgy. Good to know
| it's not a device issue. Also the OS keeps getting slightly
| more buggy/glitchy with every major release. I like it that I
| sometimes still get a new useful feature (sleep tracking wasn't
| this good on release) but it kinda sucks that a 4yro device is
| getting overall worse because of software.
|
| Still agree, wish there was competition worth considering.
| 4dm1r4lg3n3r4l wrote:
| Try turning off sleep schedule and automatic sleep focus
| on/off. AFAIK sleep tracking uses sleep focus to determine if
| you try to sleep or not, it gives off false positives a lot.
| For example I was watching a movie, sleep focus turned on
| automatically at 9pm (due to my sleep schedule being set to
| start then), movie was boring, I had a low HR and the watch
| thought I was asleep. Managing sleep focus manually made the
| measurements pretty much spotless as I turn it on whenever I
| lay down to sleep and turn it off as soon as I wake up.
| nine_zeros wrote:
| I just use whoop these days for better accuracy and battery life.
| Not interested in the complex screens and notifications.
| voisin wrote:
| I hate the subscription model for Whoop.
| maximus_prime wrote:
| The annual subscription though... $319. That is an absurd
| amount of money imo
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| It's 240 USD which is $20/mo. The $30/mo plan is still a one-
| year commitment thus operates more like a loan with $10/mo
| overhead.
|
| I got a Whoop the other month and really like it. The ulti-
| day battery life + no screen + low profile gadget are what
| won me over even though I like Apple Watch's tech.
|
| The way I see the $20/mo subscription is like a gym: if this
| thing can't even give me $20/mo of value, then it's not doing
| anything for me.
|
| But it gives me much more than that in value because it has
| me always going for extra runs, doing extra sets of push-ups
| and pull-ups at home, and it regularly has me turning down
| late night snacks / drink to get better sleep. If I had to
| choose, I'd pick it over my much more expensive gym
| membership.
| tonymet wrote:
| i've heard plenty of commercials and still don't quite get it.
| Why whoop?
| nine_zeros wrote:
| > Why whoop?
|
| - I want a health and fitness tracker.
|
| - I don't want to be locked into an Apple/Google ecosystem.
|
| - I don't want screens and notifications.
| tonymet wrote:
| i see yeah that's about what I gathered from their
| commercials.
| ryeguy_24 wrote:
| Apple Watch Ultra 2 is stuck on the S9. The S10 looks different
| if visually inspected but curious to know performance differences
| as they didn't mention much about S10 improvements this time.
| geepytee wrote:
| By performance, is there any stat outside of battery life that
| really matters here? It is a watch after all
| wlesieutre wrote:
| It does bring some feature improvements year over year. Siri
| works offline on S9 and Ultra 2, the S10 has a neural network
| to remove background noise if you use it for phone calls.
| ryeguy_24 wrote:
| Good observation. I wonder if that's something S9 can do
| too.
| callalex wrote:
| Siri doesn't really seem to work offline on my S9 despite
| the claims.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| It's probably a limited subset of things that can be done
| on-device. Even starting a timer or workout doesn't work
| for you?
|
| I have an S6 and if I go outside for a run without
| bringing my phone I definitely can't do it with Siri.
| matwood wrote:
| Keep in mind it's an SiP. It might just be a reconfiguration to
| fit the different sized case and not much in the way of a new
| chip. That would be why AWU2 gets all the new features of the
| AW10.
| dakiol wrote:
| If only it could play mp3 files.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| It can, if you load them via itunes onto your iPhone and then
| from the iPhone to the watch.
|
| At least, I am pretty sure I did that on my Series 8 the last
| time I was using it.
| fsloth wrote:
| It sort of can. For example you can load spotify playlists to
| it, podcasts over podcast app etc. The interface to achieve
| this is quite cumbersome, though.
| nu11ptr wrote:
| Dang, I felt safe getting the series 9 last year and that there
| wouldn't be any major features this year. The sleep apnea
| detection would be something that could be handy as I suspect I'm
| borderline. It would be nice to non-intrusively test over several
| months to see how I trend vs. the one night sleep tests doctors
| typically use.
| davepeck wrote:
| Sleep apnea detection is coming to the series 9 too.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| I doubt that the sleep apnea detection will be useful in
| borderline cases aside from saying "you might have sleep
| apnea", which you already know.
| thih9 wrote:
| Since that would come from a different source, that would
| still be helpful. Or there might be no notification.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| A lot of people who live alone might not know. I think I have
| it but a Phillips home test was inconclusive for me. I don't
| really love the idea of the doctors office sleep study since
| I'm not really experiencing any daytime affects but having my
| watch keep an eye on it is a nice peace of mind.
| k2xl wrote:
| Been hesitant to get due to battery life. My fitbit lasts for
| days on one charge. Is there ways to configure the watch settings
| to extend the battery life for more than a day?
| kirktrue wrote:
| The usual suggestions I've read about are to disable the
| "always on" display, disable WiFi and/or cellular, turn down
| the brightness, limit notifications, and so forth. However, I
| cannot state how much impact these would have.
| tonymet wrote:
| daily charge is a pain. you can stretch it to two with some
| tweaks but it's my biggest gripe
| nextos wrote:
| I really wish they made it independent of the iPhone.
|
| I think for people that only use smartphones occasionally, it'd
| be ideal to have just a watch and a desktop/laptop.
|
| It'd also be a great move by Apple towards reducing distractions
| of its users. Watches can be much less intrusive than phones.
| zactato wrote:
| Thats got to be a super tiny population of the world
| voisin wrote:
| I suspect OP is also including Android users in the group
| too.
| nextos wrote:
| FWIW, I don't use Apple anymore. But I think this would be
| a nice product and it'd also stimulate the market.
|
| Right now, most expensive fitness trackers rely on
| smartphones.
|
| I think only Garmin and Polar can be set up without a
| smartphone, but Polar still relies on smartphones for GPS
| updates.
| Etheryte wrote:
| I wouldn't be so sure of that. There are many studies showing
| that age is strongly correlated with reduced smartphone use,
| additionally, youth only makes up a small portion of the
| whole population.
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| Youth are fewer, youth have an outsized affect on
| consumption however. Meanwhile, older people tend to slow
| down consumption a lot, and therefore you can't really make
| as much money catering to them.
| Etheryte wrote:
| I think you have the reasoning backwards. Older people
| have considerably more purchasing power, after all
| they've had all their life to make money. There are many
| industries that do extremely well catering exactly to
| that fact.
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| You mean like Harley Davidson?
|
| Ya, they have more buying power, but they are choosey
| about what they buy and aren't so interested in new
| gadgets. Younger people have less buying power but they
| are full of wants. They also get more money and will buy
| more over time, whereas baby boomers are going to retire
| quickly and their buying will fall off.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| I figure if I'm in that group, it can't be that small of a
| group. I'm a turbo normie and no thought I have is remotely
| unique or original. There are at least dozens of us out there
| using our watches as phones.
|
| But seriously, probably millions of people would prefer to
| not carry a phone everywhere yet still have the essentials
| (texting and calling) handy if need be.
| darknavi wrote:
| A friend has his kids use LTE Apple Watches. He set them up
| with his iPhone and they don't have them. It supports "Kid"
| mode on the watches and everything. They can call and text him
| when ever they want, which is really nice.
| latchkey wrote:
| Walkie-talkie mode is really nice.
| CalChris wrote:
| Dick Tracy mode is great for screening calls.
| mgrandl wrote:
| How old are the kids? My wife can't find well fitting watch
| bands for the smallest Apple Watch due to here thin wrists.
| Can't imagine finding some for a kid.
| gdudeman wrote:
| Many of my daughter's 11-year-old friends have Apple
| Watches as their mobile device. Some of them have tiny
| wrists.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| You can find handmade Apple Watch bracelets on Etsy.
| Alongside a lot of dropshipped crap ones from Aliexpress -
| but the point is it seems like third parties are able to
| make bracelets that replicate the mechanical "interface"
| for the bracelets, so you should be able to find any size
| you want.
| danudey wrote:
| You can also get adapters that allow you to connect any
| standard watch band you can find at a store to an Apple
| Watch.
|
| Example: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07YTN8VY4/
|
| Probably makes it even easier to find watch bands that
| work/fit kids/that they like.
| zardo wrote:
| Apple might have sold me one last month, but I'm not switching
| phones just because I'm getting a watch.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| I last tried to ditch my phone and just wear the watch with a
| Series 4, so things might be different now, but you give up way
| too much compared to using a smartphone.
|
| Only being able to take calls on speakerphone, not having
| access to the long tail of apps you might need on occasion, and
| not being able to effectively input text into the apps you do
| have are the biggest problems for me.
|
| Its alright for the kids and old people thing they have now
| where you really want a life alert/GPS tracker combo and
| calling/texting is a nice bonus but the form factor isn't
| viable for solo use.
| criddell wrote:
| > Only being able to take calls on speakerphone
|
| I was under the impression that if you had AirPods, they
| would work for phone calls through the watch.
| gdudeman wrote:
| Can confirm: AirPods work for calls, music and podcasts.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| You can but in practice this doesn't end up working well.
| By the time your airpod is out of your pocket, out of the
| case, in your ear, and connected to your watch, the call
| has stopped ringing.
|
| If you are only worried about placing calls and not
| receiving them, it works better but you still have to
| contend with bluetooth, which is less than 100% reliable,
| being an essential component of your setup.
| HaZeust wrote:
| >"You can but in practice this doesn't end up working
| well. By the time your airpod is out of your pocket, out
| of the case, in your ear, and connected to your watch,
| the call has stopped ringing."
|
| How is the form factor of this any different than when
| you connect AirPods to take a call on your iPhone? This
| exact order of premeditation prior to the action of
| taking a call is already commonplace if for the iPhone -
| why not for the Apple Watches too?
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| Well the difference is that I can hold my iPhone up to my
| ear to take a call in public, whereas the only options
| with the watch are airpods or speakerphone.
| HaZeust wrote:
| That's fair enough - I wonder if the sales pitch for
| users already accustomed to taking calls with their
| AirPods will be a lot more susceptible to being swayed
| into using the Apple Watch for them instead, then?
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| Probably! I see a lot of people, particularly young
| people, out and about these days who seem to keep their
| airpods in all the time, which probably helps too.
| elzbardico wrote:
| The kind of situation where not carrying your phone works
| is one where usually you either have your AirPods in your
| ear, or when you're driving and it is connected to your
| car audio, or you don't mind answering via the speaker
| phone.
|
| Transparency mode is good enough on AirPods that I feel
| safe using them when I am cycling or running, and not
| having to carry a phone during those activities is a big
| win for me.
|
| Of course this means getting even more locked into Apple
| ecosystem, but I even forget that AirPods are bluetooth
| devices given the way they seamless work with other apple
| stuff.
| sfjailbird wrote:
| I use my LTE watch for smaller errands where I don't want to
| lug around the phone, yet can still take or make a call if it
| is really necessary, make payments, etc. Like going out for a
| walk, or leaving my desk at work for a few minutes. It's a
| nice convenience, not a substitute.
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| > I think for people that only use smartphones occasionally,
| it'd be ideal to have just a watch and a desktop/laptop.
|
| Apple doesn't want to build a world in which people
| occasionally use smartphones.
|
| They're an iPhone company.
|
| They're building things to make iPhone's more valuable and to
| keep / strengthen their lead / profit engine.
| selimnairb wrote:
| Would love to see anti-trust enforcement to force Apple to
| allow pairing with iPad or Mac. There is no good reason to
| limit to iPhone.
| yreg wrote:
| Ideally you wouldn't need to pair it with anything.
|
| iPhones required a computer with iTunes up until iOS 5.
| zer0zzz wrote:
| Hopefully it will also work with apple tv
| anonymousiam wrote:
| I 100% agree, and this is the only reason that I have not
| purchased one. I've got an Android phone and an iPad pro (with
| active eSIM). There is no technical reason for Apple to not
| allow me to "tether" to my iPad, or even any reason to require
| me to have another device in order to have/use all the features
| of the watch. It's purely a marketing decision, so I will
| continue to pass on the Apple Watch until they untether it, or
| let me access all features with my iPad.
| adastra22 wrote:
| The Watch's operation is independent of the iPhone, especially
| if you get one with LTE. You need an iPhone for setup, but
| that's it.
| zikduruqe wrote:
| This. I have cellular activated on my watch, and I seldom, if
| ever, carry an iPhone outside my home. It does everything I
| need from tech, when I am on the go, and that includes
| recording hours long bike rides.
| bilsbie wrote:
| Can you unlock your Tesla? Also can you do navigation?
| rootusrootus wrote:
| > Can you unlock your Tesla?
|
| Yes but you have to use a third-party app for that, the
| official Tesla app does not have a Watch version.
|
| > Also can you do navigation?
|
| Yes.
| ValentineC wrote:
| Apple introduced a "new" 42mm smaller size, and with that, added
| a whole lot of confusion to band compatibility. The Sport Loop
| and Milanese Loop now come in 40mm, 42mm, _and_ 46mm variants.
|
| From one of their updated watch strap pages:
|
| > Strap Compatibility
|
| > _You can match most straps with any Apple Watch Series 3 or
| later case of the same size._
|
| > _40mm, 41mm and 42mm straps are all compatible with 40mm, 41mm
| and 42mm case sizes. 44mm, 45mm, 46mm and 49mm straps are all
| compatible with 44mm, 45mm, 46mm and 49mm case sizes._
|
| > _The Solo Loop and Braided Solo Loop straps are only compatible
| with Apple Watch SE, Apple Watch Series 4 or later and Apple
| Watch Ultra or later._
|
| > _For Solo Loop and Braided Solo Loop, the 40mm, 41mm and 42mm
| cases are compatible with strap sizes 0-9; the 44mm, 45mm, 46mm
| and 49mm cases are compatible with strap sizes 0-12._
|
| I'm having such a hard time trying to parse this, especially
| since Series 3 was available in 38mm and 42mm variants, and it
| was Series 4 that upped the numbers to 40mm and 44mm.
| jameshart wrote:
| There are still just two strap widths - small and large. Why
| Apple won't just come out and say that I have no idea.
| kube-system wrote:
| I think the most plausible reason to do this would be to
| avoid future confusion if they decide to introduce new band
| sizes.
|
| Also, the current differences in case sizes mean that band
| sizes are slightly different when used with different watch
| models, even if the band width is the same. The same solo
| loop on a 38mm watch fits slightly smaller than the same
| exact band on a 40mm watch, even if they're the same mounting
| mechanism. So, to be precise about fit, you already need to
| specify the watch size specifically, even if the band width
| is the same.
| mikestew wrote:
| Captain Axually checking in to say that there three widths.
| The Ultra is wider enough that the "large" bands, though they
| fit the Ultra, leave a bit of a noticeable gap where the band
| hardware slides in.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| I use the original band from my 38mm S3 on a 40mm S6, it
| definitely fits perfectly between them
|
| But I bet they omitted the original 38/42 sizes from that list
| because now it overlaps with 42mm being the small size of S10
|
| Sizing the watches by mm instead of naming them small/large
| feels like a weird relic from the original apple watch launch
| when it came in a $10,000 gold version and Ive was positioning
| it as a fashion item
| twobitshifter wrote:
| it's annoying that they can't put the sapphire glass on the
| regular 10. What is the cost of this glass and why do they
| refuse?
|
| > Ion-X front glass (aluminum cases) Sapphire front crystal
| (titanium cases)
| thih9 wrote:
| Non sapphire is lighter and perhaps less prone to breaking from
| impact (even if not as scratch resistant), that works better
| for sport use cases.
|
| Many users don't need sapphire glass for non-sport activities
| either.
| lbourdages wrote:
| I made a big scratch on my SE by accidentally rubbing it
| against the corner of a quartz countertop. Of course, this
| was not covered by AppleCare, because the display still works
| and is not cracked.
|
| I'd have loved to have this not happen, but the only option
| (even with the non-SE model) is to pay a premium for steel
| and cellular, neither of which I care about.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| my series 8 has two big scratches. We have the technology
| to eliminate this but they are gating it behind the less
| needed features
| twobitshifter wrote:
| how much lighter could it possibly be? half a gram? I can't
| see that being anything that matters to people and they put
| it on the titanium case this time which is the light weight
| version.
| mlhpdx wrote:
| Anyone else wondering where the recycled titanium comes from?
|
| > Apple Watch Series 10, made with 100 percent recycled aluminum
| or 95 percent recycled titanium...
| mohaine wrote:
| I'm guessing it is `waste` from milling iPhones and Mac. Plenty
| of that and a marketing win even though this would always get
| recycled anyway.
| MBCook wrote:
| They're not made from titanium. Last years's pro phone is.
|
| The Apple Card is too. So I did wonder if there was a little
| of that in there too.
| btian wrote:
| Presumably aerospace & medical devices.
| aliasaria wrote:
| From my digging...
|
| Apple seems to get most of their recycled titanium from
| IperionX:
|
| https://www.linkedin.com/posts/iperionx_over-20-years-ago-ap...
|
| IperionX announced they get their recycled source Ti from ELG
| Utica Alloys:
|
| https://www.aero-mag.com/new-partnership-creates-100-recycle...
|
| From ELG we can read that a source of scrap Ti comes from
| companies like GE, Boeing, etc:
|
| https://cdn.ymaws.com/titanium.org/resource/resmgr/2010_2014...
|
| But this article from 1990 (may be outdated) states that a
| misunderstanding of the public is thinking that scrap mostly
| comes from old devices or planes. But these types of things
| last long and don't get recycled enough to provide enough
| volume. This seems to say that the bulk of scrap comes as a
| byproduct of the smelting process:
|
| https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11837-018-3278-1
|
| The following article from 2004 however says that recycled Ti
| comes from 10% old scrap (old recycled parts we normally think
| of as recycled metal) and 90% "new scrap" which is partly
| wasted Ti generated when making parts. For example in 2004, the
| aerospace industry used 12000t of Ti but wasted 10000t of that.
|
| https://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/circ1196-Y/pdf/Circ1196-Y.pdf
| crooked-v wrote:
| Calling an 18-hour battery life 'all day' still feels like at
| best borderline fraud to me.
| 7e wrote:
| In the arctic summer, days can be longer than 18 hours. Or if
| you don't sleep, I guess. Excepting those cases 18 hours seems
| all day to me.
| lainga wrote:
| I think it just throws me off due to cultural differences.
| Most homes and offices in my country have electric lighting,
| which means we can end up living and working outside of
| daylight hours, especially on Fridays. I have on numerous
| occasions asked people how their day was, and they tell me
| about things that happened while the sun was not up.
| spike021 wrote:
| Depends on your definition of 'all day'. I wear mine from about
| 7 or 8am until about midnight and it just about lasts that
| entire time. It's a series 6 so not the newest either.
|
| I guess if you want to wear it to sleep it just means taking it
| off sooner to charge. Personally I hate wearing it to sleep, it
| feels very uncomfortable and bulky for that.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| I guess it depends on if your definition of the day is when the
| sun's up, or the entire 24 hour period. Advertising loves
| living in this grey area with a big smile.
| marknutter wrote:
| Get some sleep
| unshavedyak wrote:
| I wear it 23.25+~ hours a day and charge it while i drink
| coffee in the morning (probably 30-45m on average, while i sit
| at my desk). I wear it all day, and while i sleep for sleep
| tracking.
|
| I get annoyed when they say 18h and people freak out.. i'm not
| sure what they're testing vs my daily usage but it doesn't feel
| the same. I assume it's like 18h with a ton of screen-on time?
|
| Either way i wouldn't wear a watch that i had to charge for 6
| hours a day, and the Apple Watch is definitely not that. Hasn't
| been that for at least as many generations as i've owned.
| knodi123 wrote:
| Don't get me started on "Life Sentences"!
| pazimzadeh wrote:
| Weird use of semi-colons in the sub-heading?
| crazygringo wrote:
| I've been noticing that more often recently in text -- using
| semicolons to separate list items when one or more of the list
| items has a comma.
|
| I know that's been a technically correct usage of the semicolon
| for a while now, but I've never actually seen it in mainstream
| news/marketing until in the past few months.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| It's standard to use semicolons in complex lists where list
| items have commas.
| hedgehog wrote:
| All that and no improvement to battery life. I've been wearing an
| Apple Watch for a few years, the data collection is good but the
| abysmal battery life and associated charge management is a real
| downer. I'm Apple ecosystem for almost everything but the battery
| and touch sensitivity issues are enough to get me to do the work
| to go to a different platform for health data.
| tiltowait wrote:
| At this point, it's pretty clear Apple targets a specific
| battery life (18 hours) and builds the techs around that. As a
| result, I don't think we will get an improvement in that area
| anytime soon.
|
| However, it does look like they improved the charging story--
| something like 80% in 30 minutes? Not bad.
| tester89 wrote:
| Yeah, they could've made the size decrease less impressive
| and boasted of a 24 hour battery life if they really wanted
| to.
| Menu_Overview wrote:
| I've thought about this. How much more battery life would
| they have to build in for it to be noticeably better?
|
| When I charge my watch at the end of the day, I usually have
| plenty to spare, but not always enough to make it through to
| the morning (especially if I tracked an exercise). Even if a
| new watch got 24hrs of battery life, I would still have to
| charge it at night so I wouldn't really matter. I'd guess
| that 18hrs it a balance that keeps people content and gives
| Apple's engineers enough room to fit in all the features they
| want.
|
| Of course, I would love to be able to track a long exercise
| or a 10-hour hike...but there's a different price tier for
| that.
| MBCook wrote:
| That's a good point. Maybe 36-48 hours?
|
| Even then you're still charging every other day, so is that
| so much better than every day?
|
| 18->120 hours would be a real change, but that's almost a
| 7x increase.
| hedgehog wrote:
| Three days would be solid, that would get me mid day Friday
| to mid day Monday. Sleep data is a high priority for me and
| it's go time pretty much from when I open my eyes (little
| kids) so I wear the watch pretty much 24h/day. On desk work
| days I charge there (not much activity to miss) but over
| the weekend or if I'm traveling that gets disrupted.
| npunt wrote:
| Yep they do this for all their platforms, set a battery
| target based on ~90%tile daily usage of particular form
| factor (e.g. 18hr watch/iphone, 10-12hr macbook/ipad) and
| then let ID & chip teams do whatever they want to hit that.
| The value add of every additional minute/hour of battery life
| drops off from there because daily loops for charging are
| realistically what everyone will do, and there's more value
| add in other places like making things thinner, faster, or do
| something new.
| etrautmann wrote:
| The Apple watch ultra, while expensive, at least has 1.5 to 2
| day battery life, which has completely eliminated the issue of
| charging midday that I used to run into if using gps or fitness
| tracking for more than a few hours.
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| Yeah but "expensive" is an understatement. It's double the
| price for barely any functional difference other than battery
| life.
| tpurves wrote:
| Yes! Agonizing that 10 years in and the battery still can't get
| you through more than one day. My pebble from 2013 was a much
| more practical and useable device than any Apple watch I've
| owned over the last decade.
| orev wrote:
| The Ultra can go two days, so there's an option available if
| you need it.
| GiorgioG wrote:
| For the low low price of 2x the regular watch...where do I
| sign up?
| MBCook wrote:
| They now state that the series 10 can do 36 hours on low
| power mode, which is a nice option to have in your back
| pocket.
|
| Wouldn't want to run that all the time though with all it
| likely disables.
| colordrops wrote:
| I've got a Garmin epix and it lasts over a month.
| grujicd wrote:
| My 5 years old Garmin 935 still lasts 15 days, same as when
| it was new.
|
| That also means it takes 15 years to have the same number
| of charging cycles as Apple gets in a year.
| after_mirage wrote:
| Could you please compare the performance of the first Apple
| Watch and current one? I believe then you will see how
| battery life improved.
| adastra22 wrote:
| I don't think the battery life has improved? Maybe compared
| with the very first generation, but they hit 18 hours
| pretty quick and have stayed there.
|
| They've used efficiency gains to get more features over the
| years.
| zoul wrote:
| Got Garmin Fenix, use mainly for the sports features. Lasts a
| week on a single charge including several activities with GPS
| usage. Can't imagine having another device to charge daily.
| slekker wrote:
| If only Garmin had an unlocked LTE watch, it would be
| perfect. I had been eyeing the Garmin Instinct Solar, with
| "infinite" battery and Garmin Pay, but to be able to leave my
| phone home I'd need LTE
| mynameisash wrote:
| > Can't imagine having another device to charge daily.
|
| This is precisely why I stopped using my Garmin. I did really
| like it and used it when I was running daily. But when I went
| on long hikes (8+ miles), I often ran out of battery. The
| watch charged very fast, but I got sick of having to remember
| to charge it daily if I wanted to track an activity.
|
| I now wear my Fossil ('dumb'?) watch daily. After maybe five
| years, I've replaced the battery once. It's so much nicer
| than a daily recharge.
| colordrops wrote:
| My epix goes for over a month. Got the largest model. With
| GPS on it will last more than a day.
| ilikehurdles wrote:
| I have a garmin enduro 2 that I got for under $500 with
| some discounts. When tracking activities with GPS it lasts
| for over 100 hours, closer to 150 if you're benefiting from
| some solar charging. In normal smartwatch mode it gets up
| to 40 days.
|
| I'll randomly once a month remember to charge it and that's
| enough. I've never had the battery dip below 27 days
| remaining.
|
| My old garmin was a forerunner 945 and I could about two
| days of hiking in on a charge, maybe more with battery-
| saving stuff on, but this is a whole different ballpark
| now.
| vineyardlabs wrote:
| This. I like my apple watch for doing mainly two things;
| tracking workouts and being a silent alarm clock that lives
| on my wrist. The <2 day battery life is really becoming
| annoying, as I have to remember to put it on the charger for
| at least ~1 hour a day or it won't have enough juice to wake
| me up in the morning.
|
| Also, it boggles my mind but the alarms/haptics in my S8 seem
| weirdly unreliable. Like 10% of the time my alarms just
| decide not to vibrate and I don't wake up. Tons of people
| have this problem and it seems to have something to do with
| the cover to mute gesture, but disabling it in settings
| doesn't fix the issue.
|
| For those two reasons I'm strongly considering ditching my
| apple watch and grabbing a garmin instead. Just trying to
| decide if the move outside of the ecosystem is worth it and
| which model to buy.
| dr_kiszonka wrote:
| I don't understand features like sleep apnea monitoring on a
| device with an "all-day, 18-hour battery life," unless they're
| expecting people to get one watch for the day and another one
| for the night.
| mulderc wrote:
| I wear my Apple Watch all the time, even when I'm sleeping. I
| pretty much just charge it when I'm in the shower or getting
| ready in the morning. It charges super fast, and I've found
| that having a regular charging routine is actually better for
| these gadgets.
|
| Funny enough, watches with longer battery life can mess up
| your charging habits. I had this problem with my old Pebble
| watch. Yeah, the battery lasted longer, but I'd forget to
| charge it and end up with a dead watch more often than I do
| with my Apple Watch.
|
| Now, I just pop it on the charger every morning, and I'm good
| to go. No more worrying about it dying on me out of nowhere.
| 51Cards wrote:
| A personal habit thing perhaps? My Pebble Time is still
| going strong but I religiously charge it every couple days
| (around 60%)... as you mentioned, while I showered. Before
| the most recent battery change I was down to about 48 hours
| on a charge. I do love taking weekend camping trips and not
| needing to take a charger.
|
| I have tried a couple other smart watches but I keep going
| back to my Pebble as it does all I care about. Until they
| can get to a solid 4-5 days of life (or Rebble stops
| working) I don't know that I'll be too tempted to replace
| it permanently. The Garmin line is interesting though.
| outofpaper wrote:
| Time Steel here n exactly the same boat as you. How the
| world upgraded to a worse battery experience is beyond
| me. All I want is a watch that tells the time for days
| and it's nice to have smart features.
| ValentineC wrote:
| I used to use the Pebble, then the AmazFit Bip (with
| something like 40 days battery life) after that --
| finally only switching to an Apple Watch when Series 5
| came with an always-on display.
|
| Apart from telling time, I like how it tracks my steps
| and sleep, and can send music to my earphones so I don't
| have to bring my phone out for a run. I also like being
| able to use the watch as a camera viewfinder/remote.
|
| One huge plus of the Apple ecosystem is the sheer number
| of watch straps I get to choose from, which lets me dress
| up the watch if I have to. And to top it all off, I get a
| nice screen.
|
| I wouldn't have made the switch if the battery life was
| incompatible with my lifestyle, but so far, so good.
| ValentineC wrote:
| +1 to this. I charge whenever I'm in the shower as well,
| and this routine works for me.
| ProfessorLayton wrote:
| To each their own, I wear my watch in the shower so I can
| change the song on my bluetooth speaker.
| mulderc wrote:
| I feel like if you are making it through more than a
| couple songs, your shower is too long.
| kurthr wrote:
| The other good charging time/place is your car/bike when
| commuting.
|
| If you have a 20min commute each direction you can get most
| of the way charged and make it through the night!
| kyleee wrote:
| Yep, just work in short frequent charges during downtime
| like that. I was worried about being annoyed by the
| charging too but in reality it's not been a problem at
| all
| grujicd wrote:
| When you notice your Garmin is under 10% it still means
| full day or enough battery to track 2-3h activity and still
| have some battery left. I'm surprised Apple watch battery
| is still - more or less the worst in the industry. Even if
| we forget about Garmin, comparable Samsung watches are
| multiday devices.
| mulderc wrote:
| Garmin is great, but it is a fitness sports watch first
| and less of a smart watch. Once Garmin can have apps like
| overcast and omnifocus on them I will think of them as
| being in the some category as the apple watch.
| nradov wrote:
| Charging your wearable device shouldn't require "habits".
| If they do then the device is defective by design.
| Competing watches from Garmin don't seem to have this
| design flaw.
| WillPostForFood wrote:
| Not to mention the Chinese smart watches. I have an
| Amazfit Bip that will go 60+ days between charges, no
| problem.
|
| https://i.imgur.com/4HT2Q6G.jpeg
| nozzlegear wrote:
| > Charging your wearable device shouldn't require
| "habits". If they do then the device is defective by
| design.
|
| Why?
|
| > Competing watches from Garmin don't seem to have this
| design flaw.
|
| This oversimplifies the issue. The Apple Watch has a much
| broader range of functionality than Garmin's products,
| doesn't it?
| wubrr wrote:
| > The Apple Watch has a much broader range of
| functionality than Garmin's products, doesn't it?
|
| Very interesting piece of text. Starts with a big claim
| about 'much broader range of functionality' (which is
| completely false btw), and ends with a question mark. The
| mind of an apple fanboy is a curious thing.
| tshaddox wrote:
| > Funny enough, watches with longer battery life can mess
| up your charging habits.
|
| My experience with Kindles!
| mulderc wrote:
| Yep! Funny how often I am traveling and get to the hotel
| and open up my kindle to find it needs a charge.
| hedgehog wrote:
| I don't mind charging my watch daily when I go to my desk
| to do e-mail, I just want the watch to be handle skipping
| that for a few days due to travel or a weekend or whatever.
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| I mean it's literally a few minutes on a charger to go
| from 5% battery to 60%. Would it be more convenient if it
| went longer? Sure, but as it stands, if you carry a watch
| charger in your bag, like... even the most minuscule time
| on a USB port will have it ready to roll.
|
| I've got an SE at current (had a 4 before it finally
| keeled over, and this one has essentially identical
| features and was readily available) and I just don't get
| the battery griping. Mine only uses a scant 70% ish of
| it's available capacity. I wear it every day while
| sleeping and to/from work, then come home and toss it on
| the charger till bed time.
| hedgehog wrote:
| I have a handful of watch chargers including one at my
| desk and one in my laptop bag. A full day of kid
| activities and work around the house doesn't really see
| either of those though. Do I detour to top up the watch a
| couple times a day? Yes. Does my watch run out of juice
| some days? Also yes. Would a Fitbit or Garmin have this
| problem? No. It's a bit of a slog moving my health data
| out of Apple's ecosystem which is why I haven't done it
| yet.
| wubrr wrote:
| My head is spinning after reading this comment. Why do
| apple fanboys have the incessant need to pretend that
| specific objective deficiencies are actually
| features/advantages?
|
| No.
| nozzlegear wrote:
| Did you have any specific critique about what they said
| and why it's wrong, or did you just feel that you needed
| to call them a fanboy?
| wubrr wrote:
| The specific critique is literally right above. Did you
| read the comments we're talking about, or are you just
| triggered by the word 'fanboy'?
|
| In case it's too difficult to grasp:
|
| >Reasonable person: 'The battery life is shit'
|
| >Apple fanboy: 'That's actually a good thing'
| nozzlegear wrote:
| Sorry, I was actually asking what _your_ critique of
| their comment was, specifically. Someone else offered a
| great critique of the product; someone else followed up
| saying they don 't feel it's an issue; and then you came
| in throwing the word fanboy around with little critical
| thinking applied, and now you're using the original
| person's critique as though it's your own.
| wubrr wrote:
| > Sorry, I was actually asking what your critique of
| their comment was, specifically
|
| I laid it our twice already. Which part is confusing?
|
| > someone else followed up saying they don't feel it's an
| issue
|
| Someone else followed up with a hilariously nonsensical
| excuse for why a hard, OBJECTIVE deficiency is not a
| problem and actually an advantage. If you don't
| understand what the problem with that is, I can't help
| you.
|
| > with little critical thinking applied
|
| Oh, you're good at critical thinking?
| wlesieutre wrote:
| Their comment isn't wrong though, I had the same
| experience with Pebble. It wasn't part of my daily
| routine, so I would forget to charge it. With my Apple
| Watch I don't.
|
| That being said, the Apple Watch has issues of its own,
| like sometimes draining substantially faster for (as far
| as I can tell) absolutely no reason. Rebooting the watch
| and phone has sorted that out for me, and it's only
| happened a couple of times, but it's not a good problem
| to have on a device where you may need the whole battery
| to get through a day.
| wubrr wrote:
| > It wasn't part of my daily routine, so I would forget
| to charge it.
|
| So maybe the problem is your daily routine, not the fact
| that the battery life is objectively better?
|
| It's like if you bought a laptop with too little RAM, and
| you try to explain that its actually an advantage because
| it forces you to run less applications. It's absurd to
| the max.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| Yes, longer battery life would be better.
|
| But aside from the times when I've had bug-induced
| battery drain, I never run out of battery and it's not
| something I worry about. So I also don't really care
| about the battery life being shorter than my Pebble's
| was.
|
| Apple could triple the battery life to 3 days, but as
| you've just pointed out it should still be part of my
| daily routine to charge it, and if I'm not charging it
| every day to make sure it's a habit this is a "problem"
| with my daily routine (your words).
|
| So supposing the battery gets better, and I fix my
| problematic routine and make sure to charge it every day,
| now the extra 2 days of battery life are literally
| pointless. So I can see why Apple has prioritized
| thinness over a larger battery.
| m463 wrote:
| I have a garmin watch. Charge it every day while I'm taking
| a shower and it's always ready.
|
| ...but I can miss a day... or 12 days. 13d = full charge
| mulderc wrote:
| I don't think a Garmin watch and an Apple Watch are truly
| comparable. The Garmin is primarily a fitness watch,
| while the Apple Watch is a smartwatch. When a Garmin can
| run apps like OmniFocus, Overcast, a Mastodon client, an
| Instagram client, and even join a Zoom call, then I'll
| consider it a smartwatch.
| detourdog wrote:
| We used to wind our watches in the morning. I think that
| could be Apple's thinking. Your positive experience with a
| daily routine reenforces that idea to me.
| dymk wrote:
| You charge it for an hour before you go to bed. 23/24 hours
| is pretty good.
| WillPostForFood wrote:
| It gives you no margin - you come home late, you lose the
| data for the night. It is mental overhead that don't want.
| shuckles wrote:
| My watch can get a night's worth of charge in 10 minutes.
| nradov wrote:
| It's amazing that anyone would consider that "pretty good"
| when competing products with similar features can go
| literally weeks between charges.
| unshavedyak wrote:
| I wear my watch all day and night, charge it for 30mim while
| I sip coffee. I don't get the issues people have around
| battery life. Mine is on me almost 24 hours a day and a daily
| charge. Two watches seems dramatic for a single 30m charge a
| day.
|
| Edit: note on charge, it's probably more, but it's just while
| I sip my coffee. I never pay attention to it despite the
| claims of battery life woes.
| runjake wrote:
| Series 7 here. I do <= 30 minutes a day twice -- usually
| closer to 20 minutes at a time, on the Apple Watch fast
| charger plugged into an Apple 20W power adapter. Otherwise,
| I wear the Watch 23.25-ish/7 and never run out of battery.
| gshulegaard wrote:
| I was in the same boat, but the 30 minute fast charging now
| makes me think that this actually might work. Sleep with it
| on, wake up, pop it on the charger while you get ready, bam
| basically a full charge by the time you leave the house.
|
| I don't wear an Apple watch at night (and I don't plan to
| upgrade to this one) but for the first time I think I could
| see how this might work for someone.
| bombcar wrote:
| My band doesn't feel right when I'm done exercising, so I
| usually throw it on the charger when I sit down.
|
| Now if it could charge from the _face_ while still on my
| wrist ...
| katbyte wrote:
| my 2 year old watch lasts longer the 24h and i simply charge
| it when i shower.
| aucisson_masque wrote:
| went back to a casio f91w. battery last 7 years, can buy 200
| for the price of one apple watch se and no privacy issue. Just
| get a polar h10 to monitor sport activity and honestly it's as
| good or better, having to charge it everyday is painfull.
| GiorgioG wrote:
| Apple is run by a bunch of well-past-middle-age executives who
| have zero incentive to do anything but coast to the finish
| line. The sleep apnea feature makes no sense for a product that
| is charging on my nightstand every night because of it's shitty
| battery life. Apple has gotten too fat.
| tails4e wrote:
| Go garmin. I have a vivoactive 5, it has 11 days of battery and
| loads of stats. I love it. My wife liked mine so much she
| dumped her Fitbit and now has the same watch. It's great.
| MikeKusold wrote:
| Garmin's own product webpage highlights the biggest problem
| with Garmin.[0] They have too many options, with very little
| distinguishing features. Instead of making hardware to
| justify the number of models, they cripple watches in various
| ways using software.
|
| For example, on my Vivoactive 4, recording a "Hike" activity
| is impossible. Instead, I have to record all my hikes as
| "Walks".
|
| They should trim their offerings down to fewer than 10 models
| instead of the 28 currently listed.
|
| 0: https://www.garmin.com/en-US/c/wearables-
| smartwatches/?curre...
| TexanFeller wrote:
| Battery life is the main thing that made me upgrade to the
| Ultra model. It has double the battery which gets it to the
| point I don't have to worry about battery.
| poulsbohemian wrote:
| FWIW: My first gen Ultra can go a couple days without a charge
| pretty easily, but I did have issues with my previous Apple
| watches. If battery life is the issue, you might do better off
| going with the Ultra...
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| I was thinking about shelling a little extra for the enhanced
| casing this year, because I'm pretty tired of the cheap-looking
| aluminum...
|
| what's this, polished jet-black aluminum? Dang, I think they
| might have designed themselves out of some upgraded purchases
| this year!
| tiltowait wrote:
| The enhanced casing this year is titanium, no?
| MBCook wrote:
| Yep. A great change. I've loved the polished stainless steel
| but it's heavy as hell.
|
| The larger non-ultra watch goes from 51.5g to 41.7g. A 20%
| reduction is _very_ welcome.
|
| They offered a special titanium model a few years ago but
| didn't have it last year. To have all the fancy versions use
| it is fantastic. The fancy ones are expensive enough without
| an extra titanium cost penalty on top.
| tonymet wrote:
| Nobody wants a thinner watch, everyone wants more battery life.
| orev wrote:
| Both the regular Watch and the Ultra are very much on the side
| of "only just bearable" regarding their thickness. They do not
| fit very well for anyone wearing button-down shirts with
| buttoned sleeve cuffs. Thinner is definitely welcomed.
| tonymet wrote:
| that's an interesting concern. would you still make the
| tradeoff for 30% battery ?
| tonymet wrote:
| could it be your wrists ? I don't seem to have that issue
| vegardx wrote:
| I'm mostly happy with my Apple Watch, but you better hope that it
| doesn't calibrate itself poorly. There's no way to force it to
| recalibrate and it persists through full reset and even full
| replacement of the Apple Watch itself. I've more or less given up
| trying to fix it. So according to Apple I've been standing
| upright all waking hours for the last 3-4 years.
|
| I've heard similar issues for people using crutches. They get
| like 3-5x the amount of steps, or not steps at all, and you've
| guessed it, no way to calibrate it.
|
| (I'm sort of posting this in the hope that someone actually know
| how to force it to recalibrate)
| aspenmayer wrote:
| https://support.apple.com/en-us/105048
|
| > Reset your calibration data
|
| > Here's how to reset your calibration data:
|
| > On your iPhone, open the Watch app.
|
| > Tap the My Watch tab, then tap Privacy > Reset Fitness
| Calibration Data.
| teemaw wrote:
| I understand this will reset motion calibration data but does
| anyone know if heart rate measurements also use calibration
| data? My Ultra 2 always seems to undercount my heart rate
| compared to my older Series 6. This is especially noticeable
| during higher intensity workouts.
| wtcactus wrote:
| From the description:
|
| "Apple Watch Series 10 is nearly 10 percent thinner than Apple
| Watch Series 7, Series 8, and Series 9, while offering all the
| advanced capabilities users love, adding new features, and
| maintaining all-day 18-hour battery life."
|
| Well, I'm pretty sure a full day has substantially more than 18h.
|
| I really can't understand the appeal of yet another device I must
| charge at least once a day. I would be willing to pay for a watch
| that had good sleep tracking and activity tracking and that
| lasted at the very least 1 week. But, this is not it.
| bmurphy1976 wrote:
| I wish Apple had more design variation for their watches. When
| I'm not using my phone, it's in my pocket. When I am using it, I
| honestly only care about the screen, the camera, and the audio.
| If it looks cool great BUT that ultimately doesn't matter.
|
| Watches are different. Watches are a true fashion accessory.
| Watches have style. Apple watches are so damn plain and boring
| and sterile. Swapping the band doesn't fix that. I would love a
| watch that looks like my Fossil 6 but doesn't suck. Why can't
| Apple make something like that?
| mrcwinn wrote:
| Bummer not to see a more meaningful Ultra 2 update. I would have
| at least considered it. I recently received the new Garmin Fenix
| 8 Sapphire and, while expensive, it is really a stunning piece of
| hardware. Perhaps it's not quite as well crafted as the Ultra,
| but it certainly is close and has a better battery and, in my
| mind, better software specifically for people more serious about
| fitness. (In my case, running ultras.)
|
| What's neat about the Ultra is the idea of heading out for a run
| with no phone and your podcasts are still synced. "Running
| (mostly) free." Half the time, though, I start my run and realize
| the content isn't really there because it can only sync on the
| charger with more than 50% battery.
|
| It's all to say, Apple products are tough because they arrive to
| markets late and then self-impose one- or two-year update cycles.
| It's SO SLOW getting to parity with existing solutions.
| zdw wrote:
| Can we get one of these you don't wear on your wrist?
|
| I'm all for the exercise and health tracking, but I hate wearing
| a watch when I'm typing or at a computer a good chunk of the day,
| where it would be resting on something.
| parker-3461 wrote:
| This may be as good as it gets
| https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/17/24200520/tinypod-apple-wa...
|
| But I'm uncertain how polished the experience would be.
| _ph_ wrote:
| As I have big wrists and my eyes aren't getting better, I like a
| larger screen a lot. But for me, the most important update might
| be, that the screen now updates every second instead of every
| minute in the "inactive" mode. I do use the seconds display of
| any watch a lot when timing short things, especially when
| cooking. Whenever I want to watch the seconds, with my current
| watch I have to keep shaking my wrist to keep it active. Having a
| seconds display all the time is the big step to make it a real
| watch. I hope they also add a digital watch face with seconds
| display.
|
| I would have like a bit better run time - as the CPU is getting
| more efficient, I hope Apple is downplaying any enhancements.
| With my 7 series Apple watch I do still get 24 hours of run time
| (wearing it at night) after 3 years, so it is just sufficient.
| But a bit more would add safety margin.
|
| A future Ultra 3 would be tempting with a longer run time and
| especially the red "night vision" watch face. I would so much
| like to have it on the plain Apple watch - clearly that is an
| artificial limitation.
| dmix wrote:
| So they finally figured out the sleep apnea patent issue? You
| used to have to download a separate app for sleeping breathing
| detection. Wasn't built in like Fitbit
|
| I wonder if it's being backported to old models
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| That shiny black watch is going to be littered in scratches after
| 2 weeks. My Ultra 2 has a big scratch on it. It's not the
| materials are bad or anything, people just bump into metal often.
| For me, it's metal tables at the coffeeshop.
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