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Oxygene: A modern language built on the foundation of Object Pascal
Author : luismedel
Score : 62 points
Date : 2024-09-06 07:55 UTC (3 days ago)
(HTM) web link (www.remobjects.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.remobjects.com)
| wrs wrote:
| Well, _that_ was under the radar. I used Object Pascal back in
| the MacApp days and figured it had disappeared forever. And
| Microsoft is allegedly a customer? I'd like to hear more about
| that...
| tecleandor wrote:
| I never trust those "these are our clients" claims unless they
| tell me about a project. That could easily be "one guy with a
| microsoft.com email bought a license once".
|
| It's just I've seen people doing it!
| nxobject wrote:
| It's worth noting that this is commercial software that costs
| money - even for academic purposes - but I assume that the access
| to support and the full-time support engineers it funds is worth
| is for some business customers.
| kstrauser wrote:
| Ouch, those prices though. It's 100% their right to choose how
| they want to distribute their language, of course! But there's no
| plausible scenario where I'd ever write with a proprietary
| language implementation, let alone one I had to pay for. There
| are too many free/Free options to voluntarily lock myself in for
| any of the kinds of things I ever work on.
| romwell wrote:
| It's the Delphi pitfall :(
|
| Still the best IDE I've ever used, but that was because in
| 1990s Ukraine _everything_ was pirated. Wouldn 't be able to
| use it any other way.
| lysace wrote:
| ($1k per named developer the first year, $750/yr for renewals.)
|
| They may know that the realistic target market is a few hundred
| licences, tops.
| mikewarot wrote:
| Lazarus is a pretty good open source alternative, except the
| documentation, and the tools to build said documentation, suck.
|
| As for the price, inflation adjusting $50 in 1983 to today is
| $160, so the personal use price isn't horrible.
| tlb wrote:
| I don't have a big problem with the money: it's a fraction of
| month's salary. The usual problem with commercial languages is
| the freedom to set things up how I want and spin up new
| environments quickly. Mathematica, for instance, is a
| significant pain to run on my laptop, desktop, and a cloud
| machine.
|
| I think there's room to innovate in licensing. I would err on
| the side of making it easy to install at the cost of some
| piracy. A great language could 100x its market share by losing
| 1/2 to piracy, so 50x overall.
| theamk wrote:
| It is competing with Delphi, which has about the same price
|
| https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/delp...
| msk-lywenn wrote:
| They also have their own swift implementation apparently? That's
| the first time I see an alternative implementation of it.
| https://www.remobjects.com/elements/silver/
| magicalhippo wrote:
| It's also for various platforms, so you can write Swift code
| comiling to a .Net executable say.
| sksk wrote:
| For those wondering why are they charging per developer etc. This
| case study helped me understand what they actually are selling:
| https://www.remobjects.com/elements/casestudies/curacaoweath...
|
| Their landing page and generally content on their page is
| terrible but maybe nobody stumbles on their site randomly looking
| for this. People are reacting to their pricing after seeing the
| title but I dont think that's what they are selling...
| pkphilip wrote:
| Won't it make more sense to go with the Embarcadero
| implementation of Object Pascal (Delphi)? That is available free
| for users as long as you make less than USD 5000/year using that
| tool
| speed_spread wrote:
| Too bad there's no details on the "modern" features vs Object
| Pascal. Or are they hidden?
|
| Anyway, seems interesting. I gather that their business model is
| to find large institutional customers looking for a way to scale
| out their legacy code (Delphi, etc.) to new platforms?
|
| I wonder where they find developers willing to learn their tools
| when the entry price to learn is non-free. Also, a closed
| ecosystem nowadays means depriving the devs of the rich
| ecosystems that have grown around open languages. Which can be a
| good thing... (looking at npm, ahem)
| 1899-12-30 wrote:
| The new features are hidden in the documentation
| https://docs.elementscompiler.com/Oxygene/Delphi/NewFeatures...
|
| Given that it doesn't support vcl I don't see a reason to ever
| move to it for existing delphi applications which I assume are
| mostly fat clients.
| OhMeadhbh wrote:
| I am at once compelled by the sweet tone of Pascal and recoil in
| site of mercantile connivance. In truth I do honor the allegiance
| to business practices of old. I did in my time employ compilers
| from cheerful Centerline and stout StepStone. Yet it is the
| winter of our commercial compiler discontent. Though I tremble at
| the visage of Wirth's ghost, redime te captum quam quas minimo.
|
| (sorry, been reading Shakespeare recently.)
|
| It's nice to see there's still a market for a commercial
| compilers, I'm not sure there's enough benefit for my work to
| justify the price tag. Would love to hear from people using it
| what they think of it. And it reminds me a bit of Modula-3, or at
| least where Modula-3 seemed to be headed.
| Lerc wrote:
| I have often thought that there's scope for a descendant of
| Object Pascal to take on a new name to coalesce all of the new
| ideas while freeing up the namespace occupied by legacy features.
|
| This is not it.
| pshirshov wrote:
| > Download Trial
|
| Rest in peace.
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