[HN Gopher] How a 16th Century Explorer's Sailing Ship Works
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How a 16th Century Explorer's Sailing Ship Works
Author : fallinditch
Score : 132 points
Date : 2024-09-05 03:13 UTC (3 days ago)
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| dinoqqq wrote:
| What a piece of engineering and what a research and work went
| into explaining it this thorough.
| cagenut wrote:
| It took me three sit downs to watch this. Its so information
| dense my brain was full after 15min. Worth it.
| j_bum wrote:
| This is an incredible video. What a time to be alive that high
| quality, information dense videos like this are readily available
| for the world to see.
|
| Kudos and congrats to the creator!
| maCDzP wrote:
| Amazing video! For those of you that want to experience it -
| check out https://sailtraininginternational.org
| doubleg wrote:
| Also keep an eye on https://www.gotheborg.se/en/about-
| gotheborg/ in case they decide to go on another expedition.
| Highly recommended.
| grues-dinner wrote:
| Amazing. As someone who mainlined Stephen Biesty and David
| Macaulay books, I think this is brilliant (could do with a few
| mammoths, though).
| jayrot wrote:
| How Things Work was extremely formative for me
| JoelMcCracken wrote:
| Holy. How have I never seen this account before. I've never
| wanted to give someone my money so quickly before
| qrush wrote:
| Oh no, my recent obsession has made its way to HN... oh, no....
|
| If you're into reading/watching fiction about the Age of Sail
| (more so late 18th/early 19th century, so later than this video),
| I can't recommend Master and Commander (also known as the
| Aubrey/Maturin Series) enough. It's a lot of fun, witty, and full
| of all the jargon you just watched.
|
| Of course you can also learn to sail - if you're lucky like we
| are here in Boston, there's affordable options for this that also
| do great things for the community, such as a sliding scale
| membership for adults + kids, accessible races, and more:
| https://www.community-boating.org/
| doitLP wrote:
| Just in case you weren't aware, these guys have been doing deep
| dives on the series with a chapter by chapter breakdown,
| digging into every single reference and historical mention in
| the books. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lubbers-
| hole-a-pat...
|
| After reading Aubrey-Maturin 5 times through I didn't think I
| could appreciate it even more but this podcast revealed a whole
| new depth of awe for the author. Like Steve Jobs insisting the
| inside of the Apple II looked beautiful even if no one would
| see it level of craftsmanship.
| seer wrote:
| There was a line from the philosophy book "Zorba" that went
| something like "happy is the man who before dying sails the
| Aegean sea".
|
| When I first read it I was like - yeah right, another
| exasperation l. But a few years later I happened to go to a
| sailing coarse in Greece (Thessaloniki) and OMG was the author
| right. There are a lot of seas / oceans about, but very few
| places with so many small islands to scoot about. And honestly
| going on a boat as a tourist does not really prepare you for
| the experience of sailing yourself. When the wind powers the
| boat there is no noise, you're just gliding through with the
| power of your wit and ages of engineering.
|
| Dolphins swim around you, cause its fun for them and no smelly
| propellers, and the camaraderie you form with your fellow
| sailers is intense, cause you depend on each other for
| survival.
|
| And at the end of the day you anchor in some cosy beach, swim
| around and go to the local taverna for cheap drinks and amazing
| food.
|
| Sailing the aegean sea is definitely something you should do at
| least once before you die.
| digilypse wrote:
| How'd you find the sailing course? I've been planning to take
| a course on sailing and this sounds great.
| legitster wrote:
| I also recommend people check out the Horatio Hornblower books,
| which not only inspired the Aubrey/Maturin books but also the
| Sharpe books, Hemingway, and even Star Trek.
|
| They are a little less contemplative than the O'Brien's works
| but no less excellent.
| jasonwatkinspdx wrote:
| They also inspired the Honor Harrington series by David
| Weber, which is basically Hornblower in space. I enjoyed the
| first few, though the author inserting his monarchist
| politics was mildly annoying. I got bored with the later
| books because it felt like he wrote himself into a corner
| with a character that had to keep coming up with increasingly
| implausible dramatic victories. Kind of the Mary Sue thing.
| VBprogrammer wrote:
| Can I also recommend getting hold of a copy of "seamanship in
| the age of sail". I've always had a latent fascination for just
| how they managed to manoeuvre relatively massive ships around
| well before the steam engine came of age. It's the only source
| I've ever came across which really goes into enough information
| to explain it to the limit of my curiosity. The page showing
| how a sailing ship was worked up and down a tidal river using
| various methods blew my mind.
| jakubmazanec wrote:
| I also recommend novels about fictional British captain Horatio
| Hornblower [1] for those who like sailing and Napoleonic Wars.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower
| seacos wrote:
| Wow, stunning. What a gem of a channel. Just subscribed.
| fallinditch wrote:
| Yes agreed, these Animagraff videos are so interesting and well
| put together. The Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird video [1] is also
| brilliant.
|
| Another channel producing excellent work like this is Blue Paw
| Print, for example the B-17 Flying Fortress [2]
|
| [1] https://youtu.be/gkyVZxtsubM?feature=shared
|
| [2] https://youtu.be/KWoPUqxroT0?feature=shared
| lupusreal wrote:
| If you're interested in the subject particularly, the channel
| "WWII US Bombers" has very dry but information dense and
| extremely well researched videos. Most of what he does is
| present period documents about all manner of aspects about US
| bombers from WW2, from the operation of computing gun sights to
| effectiveness of various tactics, he dives into the nitty
| gritty of things you probably never even thought to wonder
| about.
| overspeed wrote:
| Excellent visuals! The 18th century warship video is a good watch
| too. It's a nice comparison to the ship described in this one.
| niles wrote:
| Tally Ho was built very similar to this animation, it's a great
| YouTube series that just passed 200 episodes. The care, quality,
| engineering, and process that goes into each step is lost on the
| 3D animation. You really need to see the chisel work and the
| lines drawn to get how it all works. Highly recommend watching
| all 7 years! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg-
| _lYeV8hBnDSay7nmphUA
| sorokod wrote:
| "... the Dutch ship Vasa" - Vasa is Swedish [1], not Dutch.
| Reconstructed Golden Hind[2] is worth a visit, it is next to the
| Borough Market, London. They do children parties too.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship)
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| [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hind
| iglio wrote:
| Indeed Swedish, but the master shipbuilder running the shipyard
| was Dutch [1]. Perhaps that's the source of the mention?
|
| Funnily enough, I was at the Vasa museum yesterday in
| Stockholm! I enjoyed it very much, would recommend to anyone
| visiting Stockholm. Incredible salvage achievement.
|
| [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Hybertsson
| kobalsky wrote:
| There's a really good game called the "Return of the Obra Dinn"
| where the events happen in a 18th century ship and the creator
| strived for accuracy.
|
| To beat it you need to learn a lot about the ship and crew.
|
| If you like detective games the only problem with it is that you
| only get to play it for the first time once.
| Dansvidania wrote:
| I am a big fan of Lucas Pope (the creator) and tall ships :)
| Return of the Obra dinn is one of my favorite games, I highly
| recommend it.
|
| Bonus fact: Lucas Pope publishes very interesting dev logs [1]
| that go into depth both on the setting and the technical
| challenges.
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| [1] https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=40832.0
| vundercind wrote:
| Is there some kind of curated... I dunno, "smart YouTube"? I
| can't stand browsing the site, but love these kinds of gems.
|
| [edit] I dunno, "smart" isn't even right to describe my ideal
| YouTube--I'd want to include stuff like those "slow"-style videos
| that aren't necessary smart. Just non-clickbait YouTube? Low-
| dopamine-abuse YouTube?
| kylebenzle wrote:
| It's ironic you say that as that is where these videos have
| been coming from more and more (YouTubes recommendation
| algorithm).
|
| Nine times out of ten, this one included, I'll see the video on
| YouTube THEN here in HN.
| dwighttk wrote:
| gotta feed the algorithm, and it will still try crap, but
| eventually ends up more signal than noise
| merely-unlikely wrote:
| Be mindful of what you click (and possibly even just linger
| over). You get what you engage with, love it or hate it.
| fallinditch wrote:
| > curated
|
| Here's one with some good stuff
| https://theawesomer.com/category/videos/
| beAbU wrote:
| Make use of subscriptions, dislike your dislikes, like your
| likes and liberally hide/remove things from your feed you dont
| want. Also make sure to prune your history from time to time,
| especially if you watched "junkfood" and dont want more
| recommendations for it. The algorithm catches on quickly. My
| feed is pretty decent and relative to my interests.
| okdood64 wrote:
| Pretty much this. I've curated the recommendations pretty
| well to my liking over the years.
|
| It has some recency bias on "junkfood" I might watch from
| time to time but it clears away quickly.
| js8 wrote:
| I don't use these but you might want to check things like
| CuriosityStream or Nebula.
| HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
| Everyone has different interests though. e.g., I went through
| the whole series of PacificNorthwestHillbilly videos of
| rebuilding a 1950's Caterpillar bulldozer. You might not care
| in the slightest.
| motohagiography wrote:
| absolutely amazing explanation that provides a lot of etymology
| for words and ideas for people interested in sailing as well.
| what a pleasure to watch.
|
| was saddened by the ending abasement and skipping the last minute
| of the video leaves you with a nicer memory of it. (the end
| comment uses the whole thing as a vehicle for a genuflection
| about the "sordid" history of the sailing tech. really, don't be
| so humble, you aren't _that_ great.) Otherwise, what an
| absolutely fantastic project!
| lupusreal wrote:
| I don't think the intent was to use the video as a vehicle to
| make some political point, since he hasn't for any of his other
| videos. So I think this one had what you mention just as a ass-
| cover to preempt any anybody getting overly sensitive and
| trying to accuse him of making the opposite sort of political
| point.
|
| It's not like he ends with a lecture to educate people about
| what happened, he just makes it known with brief and general
| language that he's knows some bad shit happened and he's not
| glorifying those acts. Somebody who was clueless about all of
| it would more or less remain so; it's a message directed
| towards people who are already familiar with the subject and
| might conceivably be offended by his video if he didn't include
| the end bit.
| motohagiography wrote:
| it was an amazing video. I was sad the author felt the need
| to pre-empt that sort of criticism as acknowleding it just
| encourages it. I commented as a way to offset its impact and
| recognize that it's not normal, no matter how contrived the
| efforts are to affect it, in the hope others take heart. Even
| if the author were instead absolutely committed to that whole
| narrative and my comment clashed with that, I'd still say
| it's contrived and taints a really beautiful exposition.
|
| it's like performing a Bach piece and ending with, "...and he
| was probably a racist too." it's degrading to the art, and I
| don't think anyone is served by self abasement like that.
| fffrantz wrote:
| Perfect companion to the Captain Hornblower series of books.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower
| crooked-v wrote:
| With the Hornblower time period, I'd point to the video on 18th
| century ships on the same channel instead. There's a lot of
| subtle differences, even putting aside the size differences of
| the ships.
| RachelF wrote:
| If you like Hornblower, you should read the Aubrey Maturin
| series.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey%E2%80%93Maturin_series
| drewolbrich wrote:
| I have zero tolerance for wasting time watching long YouTube
| videos and I didn't think I had any interest in historical ship
| construction, and yet I couldn't stop watching all 40 minutes of
| this. Amazing.
| mlhpdx wrote:
| If you're interested in life on commercial sailing ships (hauling
| cargo for trade), I highly recommend "Two Years Before the Mast".
| The reference in the title defines the book - a well educated
| young person signs on as a common sailor and writes about the
| experience. Not an officer, not a passenger, the author sleeps
| "before the mast" and tells about that life in glorious detail.
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