[HN Gopher] Thoughts while watching myself be automated
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Thoughts while watching myself be automated
Author : 082349872349872
Score : 20 points
Date : 2024-09-05 15:39 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| ok_dad wrote:
| We get ever closer to software replacing humans in a vast array
| of jobs, people scream and shout about how we need to solve the
| problem of all those humans with no jobs, yet all I see is the
| inextricable march to obsolescence for many people, myself
| included.
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| I'll add my shout: What's going to happen to the obsolete humans?
| QuadmasterXLII wrote:
| We ended up deciding, against all seeming reason, to just stop
| after nuking each other twice. Perhaps our presidents and
| dictators can get on the phone and reach a similar agreement. I
| would quite like them to.
| interstice wrote:
| The line is that there will always be something to do. But I'm
| not sure that's true, ultimately each human only has a limited
| number of needs - once those are met what's the utility in
| having any excess capacity?
|
| And what are the chances that we are getting close to that
| capacity already but the production is so inefficient that only
| some tiny percentage goes to any one persons actual needs
| OkayPhysicist wrote:
| Liberation from toil ought to be a good thing, but frankly it's
| looking more and more like the worst jobs will be the last to
| go.
| hinkley wrote:
| There's one scenario where we expand the idea of citizenship to
| something more like each adult human owns 1/nth of the country,
| we claw back mineral rights and companies then have to rent the
| air, the water, the soil, the minerals, and each citizen is
| entitled to a share of those proceeds of businesses consuming
| them.
|
| What they often leave out when talking about how Scandinavia
| has good social systems is the fact that they have vast mineral
| wealth that is subsidizing all of these services. That health
| care is being paid for substantially with oil profits. Which if
| oil extraction weren't our quickest route to destructive levels
| of global warming would be awesome. Instead it's kind of mixed.
|
| The tricky bit is finding the maturity to not vote for
| accelerating extraction now and fucking over your grandchildren
| in the process. The US doesn't have that - yet - but I'd argue
| that Scandinavian countries also need a closer examination vis-
| a-vis the Paris accords.
| interstice wrote:
| > what if we run out of data or scaling laws break and
| algorithmic progress stalls? This is a little funny because
| similar arguments have been made since the dawn of computers.
| There was even an argument made once that we had almost 'solved'
| physics. The only constant is change
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| I don't know if it's hollywood, or hollywood just being a
| reflection of human's big egos that caused it, but man are people
| going to have a hard time accepting that emotions and creativity
| aren't anything particularly special.
| devwastaken wrote:
| Automation sounds cool until you look at the market and realize
| that by the time you've tooled it, you need to make different
| products that require different tooling.
|
| It's not like automating Minecraft and eventually "winning" at
| not having to do anything.
|
| In order to do this complex process you need humans with
| emotions and you need iterative R&D that requires creativity
| not just in the nerdy engineering but across the spectrum in
| all elements. The human one is especially difficult to get
| right.
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