[HN Gopher] Woolly mammoth 'de-extinction' is nearing reality
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       Woolly mammoth 'de-extinction' is nearing reality
        
       Author : Brajeshwar
       Score  : 61 points
       Date   : 2024-09-01 16:26 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | JoeAltmaier wrote:
       | Curious - the entire objection to this endeavor as mentioned in
       | the OP was, "What's gone is gone" according to some 'expert'.
       | 
       | Now, new species are often disruptive in lots of ways. No reason
       | to think an old one, reintroduced, would be less disruptive. But
       | no mention of real issues like that.
       | 
       | I think the writer was just fishing for something provocative to
       | say.
        
         | 99_00 wrote:
         | A species that was eliminated by hunter gatherers or sailors
         | with clubs is going to have a hard time getting out control.
        
         | jfengel wrote:
         | I feel like the main objections would be in terms of animal
         | welfare. You're almost certainly gonna harm a lot of animals in
         | the process. Not just animals born deformed but also dangerous
         | pregnancies.
         | 
         | We do that all the time of course. But I'd kinda like to take
         | at least a moment to consider how we minimize suffering before
         | we plunge ahead.
        
           | arp242 wrote:
           | And even if you clone a perfect mammoth on your first try,
           | then what?
           | 
           | We know elephants are very intelligent, emotional, and social
           | animals. I see no reason to assume mammoths are significantly
           | different. And of course what they're working aren't even
           | mammoths, more like "hairy elephants".
           | 
           | Cloning a single hairy elephant and keeping it in captivity
           | would consign it to a miserable life of loneliness. It would
           | be nothing short of cruel.
           | 
           | So you managed to clone a herd of hairy elephants, then what
           | do you do with those? The mammoth steppes they once roamed no
           | longer exist. There is no ecosystem to save or improve
           | because that ecosystem is gone. That's what they meant with
           | "what's gone is gone".
           | 
           | Can you just re-introduce them to the wild? These are huge
           | animals that need a lot of space. Other animals and people
           | live there. You can't just have a bit of land; you need a
           | huge amount of it.
           | 
           | Cloning mammoths is just dumb. None of the logistics really
           | work out and a bunch of mammoths spending miserable lonely
           | lives in zoos is basically the best-case outcome we can hope
           | for and after a few decades of this everyone will all realize
           | it was pointless and mammoths will be extinct once more. All
           | these notions are rekindling a lost ecosystem are nothing
           | more than flights of fancy.
           | 
           | For some other animals there is perhaps a slightly better
           | case to be made; I don't know. But for mammoths the case is
           | pretty bad.
        
             | anon84873628 wrote:
             | The goal of the project is absolutely to release them into
             | the wild. And their historical range is still largely empty
             | of humans. There is enough space for everyone if we are
             | willing to do it.
        
             | pvaldes wrote:
             | > Cloning a single hairy elephant and keeping it in
             | captivity would consign it to a miserable life of
             | loneliness
             | 
             | Easily solvable if you put it with other elephants. Small
             | elephants bond also with humans.
        
               | seszett wrote:
               | > _Easily solvable if you put it with other elephants._
               | 
               | Would it be that easy?
               | 
               | Imagine a handful of wild humans, having never had any
               | contact with other humans, no education or anything, just
               | put somewhere and left to themselves.
               | 
               | How many centuries would they need to even develop an
               | actual language?
               | 
               | They might very well be totally unable to cooperate or
               | survive at all, without a preexisting society to guide
               | them.
               | 
               | Even if they don't have societies as developed at humans
               | do, I can imagine the same would happen to different
               | degrees with elephants, mammoths, dolphins, crows even.
        
         | katbyte wrote:
         | Well the thing about a large mammal like an elephant is
         | population control is easy and the effects generally more
         | understood
         | 
         | Unlike a zebra muscle which one it's in your local lake
         | goooooood luck ever removing them and now your lake may die a
         | toxic blue green algae death
        
           | sidewndr46 wrote:
           | You would think that, but we can't even agree to eradicate
           | the hippopotamus from the Americas. Why? Animals rights
           | groups think it is apparently an issue to just exterminate
           | them. These are literal invasive species brought in by a drug
           | lord.
           | 
           | If it turned out that mammoths were actually a problem, we'd
           | never agree to actually control the population.
        
             | hparadiz wrote:
             | Probably one of the few actual wins of human activity.
        
               | anon84873628 wrote:
               | Why?
        
             | gweinberg wrote:
             | There's no reason we should be able to agree. Some people
             | like them and want them protected, other people hate them
             | and want them gone. If it were really clear that they were
             | harmful, shooting them all would be super easy, I could
             | probably do it myself. Why would the fact that the guy who
             | introduced them is a drug lord matter? Hippos can't inherit
             | original sin.
        
               | blackbrokkoli wrote:
               | Your comment made me laugh, but to actually answer:
               | 
               | It matters from a Chesterton's Fence perspective: We know
               | that the hippos were not brought for any good reason,
               | inevitability, etc.
        
           | rikroots wrote:
           | The camels in Australia would like to (very impolitely)
           | disagree:
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel
        
         | kenjackson wrote:
         | It's more than that. They also say:
         | 
         | "Both Asian and African elephants, which Colossal plans to use
         | as surrogates to grow mammoth calves, are endangered, and every
         | elephant gestating a "mammoth" calf can't grow babies of its
         | own. "That's going to reduce population size," Lynch said."
         | 
         | We risk putting existing endangered species at more risk to try
         | to bring back these past species.
        
           | xhevahir wrote:
           | Well, it's not as if the surrogacy would continue
           | indefinitely, putting a continuous strain on elephant
           | reproduction. They would need surrogates only long enough to
           | establish a breeding mammoth population, and there's even the
           | possibility that, should elephants get even nearer
           | extinction, future mammoths could return the favor, so to
           | speak, by performing as surrogates themselves.
           | 
           | If, as I've been told, grasslands are a better carbon sink
           | than taiga, and mammoths are capable of converting the latter
           | into the former, I'm hopeful for efforts like this.
        
           | hparadiz wrote:
           | The range of the Mammoth currently includes massive chunks of
           | Alaska, Canada, and Russia where few people live. They might
           | thrive in that environment much more so than the Asian and
           | African elephants we have alive today. Maybe would even give
           | them more breeding partners in the long term.
        
           | anon84873628 wrote:
           | >We risk putting existing endangered species at more risk to
           | try to bring back these past species.
           | 
           | Well, if the currently endangered species go extinct, we'll
           | have the technology to bring them back too -\\_(tsu)_/-
        
           | tim333 wrote:
           | The elephant population is about 500,000. Using one or two as
           | surrogates isn't going to change things much in itself. It's
           | humans multiplying and taking their land which is more the
           | issue.
        
             | kenjackson wrote:
             | They just need one or two surrogates? The scope described
             | in the article made it seem MUCH larger.
        
           | pvaldes wrote:
           | Other way to see it is that we would be raising the number of
           | protected elephants on captivity by +1.
        
           | JoeAltmaier wrote:
           | That's interesting! If we value an existing species over one
           | forth millenia gone, then that would be a negative. Quite a
           | lot of discussion possible there.
           | 
           | For instance, existing elephants are already obnoxious
           | destructive animals to have roaming a landscape inhabited by
           | people. It's only fair to include that in the analysis. All
           | part of the equation.
           | 
           | Somebody wanted to reintroduce wolves to Iowa but that got
           | squashed by popular objection. Everyone would have been at
           | risk.
        
             | patall wrote:
             | Aren't the wolves in Iowa a bad example since that in fact
             | should reduce risk to the general population? I mean, there
             | are studies that predators reduce traffic collisions with
             | deer due to making those more wary, which far outweighs any
             | real danger imposed by wolves themselves. Hence, as always,
             | looking at the whole picture is necessary to get a full
             | view of what is at stake. And popular objection is not a
             | good argument for that at all times.
        
         | Kye wrote:
         | This doesn't seem any different from the reintroduction of
         | horses to the Americas. Humans get along with similarly massive
         | pachyderms now. This isn't like bringing a brachiosaurus back
         | where there's no realistic way for them to live in the current
         | biosphere.
         | 
         | The risk to elephants in using them for this is a real concern
         | though.
        
           | lolinder wrote:
           | > Humans get along with similarly massive pachyderms now.
           | 
           | Some humans do on a single continent which has a human
           | population density half that of Eurasia, and even that not
           | particularly smoothly:
           | 
           | https://wwf.panda.org/discover/knowledge_hub/endangered_spec.
           | ..
        
             | anon84873628 wrote:
             | It seems the de-extinction efforts help reinforce the
             | rewilding and land conservation efforts. If an area has
             | been populated by these reintroduced species it may be more
             | resistant (politically if not physically) to human
             | development.
        
         | pizza234 wrote:
         | Further into the article, there's a section dedicated to the
         | main objections ("Unintended consequences").
         | 
         | > For one, de-extinct animals may be sickly, given that the
         | pool of available DNA for each species is relatively small.
         | 
         | > It's also worth considering who would be liable if large-
         | scale mammoth reintroductions went wrong.
         | 
         | > Reintroductions can lead to clashes between humans and
         | wildlife.
         | 
         | > The makeup of the reintroduced population matters too
         | 
         | > There's also no guarantee that animals will stay where we
         | release them
         | 
         | I have the impression that while each single point may be
         | unlikely, there are (too) many unknowns in the project.
         | 
         | In addition to the biological objections, there are the
         | ideological ones, primarily:
         | 
         | > Instead of using that money to bring back three extinct
         | species whose ecological impact is unknown, the funds could be
         | put toward saving roughly 100 species that are currently facing
         | an uncertain future
         | 
         | I agree that this is ultimately purely driven by profit:
         | 
         | > "If they're successful -- and I have no doubt that they will
         | be -- they're going to make a ton of money," he said.
        
           | anon84873628 wrote:
           | Yes, an underlying motivation of the project is simply to
           | fund more biotech research. Which, if it comes to fruition as
           | imagined in sci-fi novels, could radically upend ecosystems
           | and societies alike, in far more dramatic ways than discussed
           | here.
        
             | JoeAltmaier wrote:
             | That cow is already out of the barn. There's precious
             | little ecosystem left on this tired old iron ball that
             | hasn't been radically upended.
             | 
             | Funny how any effort to arrest the runaway catastrophe
             | that's been caused is met with resistance that calls it
             | 'further damage'. Like we aren't already facing tremendous
             | risks by leaving it unchecked.
        
               | patall wrote:
               | In addition to that, societies and ecosystems could also
               | upend differently if we do not develop this technology.
               | As every technology, you can use it for good and you can
               | use it for bad. But simple banning (or 'moratoria') do
               | rarely stop a novel field from developing, and just end
               | up pushing it in the less open grey zone of top secret
               | research projects.
        
           | rikroots wrote:
           | My 'gut' objection to the endeavour is that they're creating
           | a new "genetically modified" creature without any
           | consideration for the ecosystem which surrounded the
           | originals. Not just the plants and animals that made up the
           | Arctic ecosystem 10k years ago, and now, but - more
           | importantly - the ecosystem (parasites, gut biota, etc) that
           | used to live on/in those mammoths. The gut flora in
           | particular will be critical if they want these Indian-
           | elephant born mammoths to thrive in the Arctic - will the
           | creatures even be able to digest what they eat?
           | 
           | If we have to revive something elephant-related, then I'd
           | much prefer them to concentrate on (one of) the Madagascan
           | elephant bird species. The eggs alone would offer a
           | potentially robust revenue stream for whichever God bought
           | the beast back from the dead.
        
           | JoeAltmaier wrote:
           | The good ol' False Dichotomomy, rearing it's irrelevant head.
           | 
           | Save existing species, go right ahead. That the effort being
           | made to do {absolutely anything else} takes money too, is no
           | kind of argument whatsoever. The aren't exclusive activities.
        
             | HelloMcFly wrote:
             | In specific instance they aren't totally independent. The
             | plan is to use endangered elephant surrogate mothers,
             | removing them from the breeding pool of their own already
             | threatened population.
        
         | Eridrus wrote:
         | There's a real (small c) conservative bias where we should keep
         | things as they are rather than changing them for all sorts of
         | reasons. People who want to actually change the world are a bit
         | of a rarity.
        
       | 99_00 wrote:
       | I hope this is for real and they make progress to their goal.
        
       | loufe wrote:
       | I think it's a world of difference bringing back a species for
       | which we have actual DNA, instead of creating a "wooly-mammoth-
       | like" creature via guesswork. I'm not opposed to the effort, if
       | privately funded, just weird to consider the pointlessness of it
       | in my eyes.
        
         | nemo44x wrote:
         | Personally I'm curious how they taste. A Mammoth burger could
         | be succulent for all we know.
        
           | afavour wrote:
           | Doubt we're much closer to that. When was the last time you
           | had an Elephant burger? Definitely the closest alternative
           | that isn't really accessible today for a bunch of good
           | reasons.
        
             | throwaway48540 wrote:
             | What are the good reasons? I assume we're talking about a
             | situation where we could create the elephants "on demand",
             | like with these mammoths.
        
               | Ekaros wrote:
               | I'm wondering as well, there should be sufficient supply
               | of those dying old age or accidents to have at least some
               | going around. The long gestation cycle and comparatively
               | long time to maturity reasonably make them inefficient,
               | but still some supply would be expected.
        
               | adolph wrote:
               | Well for one, a rate limiting factor is gestation period
               | which is proportionally long for elephants.
               | 
               | You'd probably be better off farming Homo sapiens or
               | maybe reviving some other species of homo. Put them in
               | gestational pods to harvest their metabolic heat energy.
               | Maybe run mental simulations of various things via neural
               | link.
               | 
               | https://www.bbcearth.com/news/elephant-gestation-period-
               | long...
        
               | throwaway48540 wrote:
               | "Better off" doesn't mean much. We would be better off
               | doing neither of these, but being better off is not the
               | goal - the goal is to eat an elephant or a mammoth.
               | 
               | Seems like the gestation period would make it more of a
               | luxury.
        
               | adolph wrote:
               | Like the mammoth, other species of homo disappeared when
               | sapiens arrived. Like the cousin comment's conjecture
               | that mammoth might be very good eating, maybe these other
               | species were likewise delectable.
        
               | throwaway48540 wrote:
               | Sure, if that is so, then it might be an option too.
               | Though I have never heard about that, while children are
               | singing campfire songs about mammoths... Marketing
               | matters - "Eat a prehistoric human" doesn't sound as cool
               | as "taste the food of the prehistoric human"
        
               | anon84873628 wrote:
               | You need to have seen the film "The Matrix" to get the
               | joke.
        
               | throwaway48540 wrote:
               | Oh I got that part of a joke, but that doesn't mean I
               | don't want to continue discussing :)
        
               | delusional wrote:
               | Do we need a good reason? It sounds really cool, and I
               | dont see why not.
        
               | MOARDONGZPLZ wrote:
               | Untold misery on a new species we brought back from
               | extinction.
        
               | throw310822 wrote:
               | Species don't experience misery, individuals do. We farm
               | billions of animals every year, how could a few
               | individuals of a de-extinct species living a mostly free
               | and protected life pose a moral issue?
        
               | HelloMcFly wrote:
               | Given what we know about elephant intelligence and
               | community, I'd be morally horrified by any level of
               | systematic and ongoing "farming" of elephants for food.
               | You may rightly accuse my of getting ahead of myself for
               | extending the same feelings towards the mammoth for which
               | we know less, but nevertheless I feel the same about them
               | at the moment.
        
               | throw310822 wrote:
               | Of course, but this not what we are talking about. The gp
               | objects to de-extinctioning the mammoth per se, not to
               | farming it for food. As if the recreated mammoths would
               | feel some unbearable sadness at the thought of being out
               | of their time, or they missed their dead relatives from
               | 10000 years ago.
        
               | amanaplanacanal wrote:
               | I totally get this. Each person has to decide, where do I
               | draw the line? My girlfriend won't eat octopus, for
               | instance, but is fine with beef or pork.
        
             | nemo44x wrote:
             | Possibly but humans basically hunted Mammoths into
             | extinction and they consumed them to the last bite. They
             | must have been delicious compared to elephants. Just like
             | different breeds of cow or pigs, etc, have vastly different
             | marbling, flavor, and texture. Humans ate them out of
             | existence they must be good eating!
        
               | afavour wrote:
               | I can't think of many historical scenarios where a human
               | was faced with the decision between hunting an elephant
               | and hunting a mammoth.
        
               | wiseowise wrote:
               | > Possibly but humans basically hunted Mammoths into
               | extinction
               | 
               | No, they didn't. It's a myth.
               | 
               | https://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/humans-did-not-cause-woolly-
               | mammot...
        
             | rufus_foreman wrote:
             | >> Definitely the closest alternative that isn't really
             | accessible today for a bunch of good reasons.
             | 
             | "Today, all species of elephant are hunted specifically for
             | their meat. This occurs notably in Cameroon, Central
             | African Republic, Republic of Congo, and the Democratic
             | Republic of Congo. During ivory hunts by poachers, meat may
             | be taken as a by-product for eventual sale, or to feed the
             | hunting party. As of 2007, wildlife experts expressed
             | concerns that the major threat to elephants may become the
             | demand for meat rather than the ivory trade. Organisations
             | such as the WWF and TRAFFIC are campaigning to reduce
             | consumption levels as this, along with the ivory trade,
             | leads to as many as 55 individuals being killed a day."
             | 
             | -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_meat
        
             | GolfPopper wrote:
             | "Mammoth burgers" are basically here (and have been for
             | over a century). Siberian explorers have eaten frozen
             | mammoth. The Atlantic, "What Happens to Meat When You
             | Freeze It for 35,000 Years". And a startup demo'd a mammoth
             | meatball last year.[2]
             | 
             | 1. [archive link] https://archive.is/QkS7J 2.
             | https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-massive-
             | meatb...
        
           | notepad0x90 wrote:
           | How does an elephant burger taste? I'd imagine mammoth would
           | be even more difficult to come by.
        
             | pvaldes wrote:
             | On the heat period, probably horrible
        
           | tomcam wrote:
           | My grandfather knew. It was not unheard of when he and his
           | father mined gold in the early 20th century. At least that's
           | the family lore. He died around the time I was born, so I
           | never got to question and went with firsthand knowledge.
        
         | bediger4000 wrote:
         | Why does "privately funded" make a difference?
        
           | lolinder wrote:
           | Presumably because they would be opposed to tax money being
           | used to fund a project that they consider pointless.
        
             | bediger4000 wrote:
             | That seems short sighted. I live in Denver, CO. I consider
             | it pointless to fund roads on the east coast. I'm never
             | going to drive on them.
             | 
             | That's silly. Goods arriving at East coast ports travel via
             | systems I have no clue about.
        
               | namlem wrote:
               | Cloned wooly mammoths aren't a public good like roads
        
               | inglor_cz wrote:
               | Was landing on the Moon a public good?
               | 
               | Science often brings unexpected fruit. Cloning woolly
               | mammoths may as well.
        
               | eastbound wrote:
               | And so does blowing wind. You never know. Where do you
               | put the limit? Pouring a trillion dollars into war sure
               | has more benefits, like local hiring, finding out about
               | microwaves, cheaper petrol, etc. But is pouring a
               | trillion dollars into that, a good thing?
               | 
               | The moon landing was a propaganda stunt against the USSR.
               | We have no need to revive literal mammoths.
        
               | lolinder wrote:
               | The sense of pointlessness in this case isn't "I'll never
               | take advantage of those roads", it's "this feels more
               | like someone wanting to cosplay Jurassic Park than it
               | does a serious effort to do something useful for
               | biodiversity".
        
             | wormius wrote:
             | Pointless, and for a certain category of people (on all
             | sides of the political spectrum), a "moral" issue. The
             | right doesn't want people to play God (the same religious
             | types who think IVF is a sin, or embryonic stem cells are
             | murder). The left side of things, invoking nature as a god,
             | using a similar argument (or fears of unknown results).
             | 
             | I don't know if it's pointless, and there's plenty of room
             | for "pointless" research (because we learn so much in the
             | process). But I do wonder if it's prudent. I think it's
             | cool either way.
        
           | pvaldes wrote:
           | > Why does "privately funded" make a difference?
           | 
           | Because is not subject to political time of four years
           | intervals. Politicians lie often about where the funds will
           | arrive, or change their minds after a while. I you can afford
           | it, is much safer this way.
        
         | GolfPopper wrote:
         | Not necessarily pointless - it could help mitigate climate
         | change, by re-creating 'mammoth steppe' across much of Siberia.
         | From _Smithsonian_ (2018):  "Can Bringing Back Mammoths Help
         | Stop Climate Change?" [1] (Full disclosure: I am a supporter of
         | the Long Now Foundation which has advocated for mammoth
         | reintroduction to reduce climate change. [2]
         | 
         | 1.https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/can-
         | bringing-b... 2.https://longnow.org/ideas/reviving-woolly-
         | mammoth-solve-clim...
        
         | tim333 wrote:
         | They seem to have quite a lot of actual wooly mammoth DNA. In
         | the linked document:
         | 
         | > The final dataset consists of 23 woolly mammoth genomes (22
         | Late Quaternary and one Middle Pleistocene), with 13 at medium
         | coverage (2.3-4.13) and 10 at high coverage (10.4-28.63)
         | 
         | The efforts to make dinosaur like things more fits your
         | description.
        
       | nickdothutton wrote:
       | How many times have I heard this in the last 40-something years?
       | Just get on with it.
        
       | Arch485 wrote:
       | Cool, but why would we want to do this? Is there any practical
       | value?
       | 
       | There are species that are important to our current ecosystem
       | that are going extinct, why are we bringing back mammoths instead
       | of fixing that?
        
         | vikramkr wrote:
         | We are trying to fix that - there are eight billion people on
         | this planet and we as a species are capable of doing more than
         | one thing at a time.
        
           | Arch485 wrote:
           | The article says that trying to bring back mammoths is
           | endangering other elephant species, so in this case it is
           | mutually exclusive
        
             | pvaldes wrote:
             | This claim does not stand a minimum logical analysis.
             | 
             | More animals in captivity means that you are increasing the
             | habitat of this species. You can fit more animals from this
             | species in the planet than before.
        
         | pvaldes wrote:
         | The economical value just as domestic animal for frozen areas
         | is invaluable. But, the males would be most probably very
         | complicated to manage. Also would help to fix those ecosystems
         | in some way.
        
       | xutopia wrote:
       | It's a bit crazy to think that we're bringing back a wooly
       | mammoth just in time for record temperatures. Science is
       | amazing... would be amazing if political forces would do
       | something about climate change.
        
       | doodaddy wrote:
       | I am unconvinced that we know enough about life's engineering to
       | do something like this safely. I am doubly unconvinced that
       | private industry will take the risks seriously. This sort of
       | project is steeped in classic misguided pie in the sky human
       | thinking - let's live on the moon or terraform mars instead of
       | fixing our mess on this planet! Let's resurrect an extinct
       | species instead of saving the ones we're about to make extinct!
       | 
       | And then the idea that if the population gets out of control,
       | well, we could just cull them. What, because we didn't do a good
       | enough job the first time?
        
         | huitzitziltzin wrote:
         | What's "safety" here? I don't intend the question to be
         | trolling. What's the risk of bringing back a wooly mammoth?
         | 
         | Sure it could die of a weird disease bc we didn't have the full
         | genetic code. And yeah I'm equally unconvinced from the article
         | that we actually can do this, but it's unclear to me what the
         | risks are if we can and do?
         | 
         | Scenario: Bring back one to one hundred wooly mammoths and... X
         | worst case scenario happens. What's X in your view for the
         | wooly mammoth? I can't think of any that seem actually bad but
         | maybe my creativity is lacking?
        
         | GuB-42 wrote:
         | > let's live on the moon or terraform mars instead of fixing
         | our mess on this planet!
         | 
         | Why not both? We are 8 billion on this planet, we can fix our
         | mess _and_ do all these crazy things.
         | 
         | And I don't think "de-extinguishing" species is particularly
         | unsafe. Generally, the risk with messing with biology is that
         | things can get out of control, but here, we are talking about
         | extinct species, they went extinct because they were not
         | adapted to the environment we thrive in. By far the most likely
         | result if we screw up is that the specie become extinct again.
        
           | remixff2400 wrote:
           | That's the thing: we're _only_ 8 billion and amongst that we
           | only have so many researchers and people who have the
           | knowledge to do anything like that. We have limited capital
           | to pursue any major initiative, so wasting it on unfeasible
           | and non-beneficial initiatives like starting a Mars colony
           | just wastes time we could do doing something more useful i.e.
           | reforming deserts, stabilizing ecosystems, developing cheaper
           | materials for various industries, etc.
           | 
           | I'm not sure how dangerous "de-extinguishing" a species would
           | be, but we've had numerous faux paus with destabilizing
           | ecosystems by introducing non-native species (i.e. lionfish,
           | as an invasive species). These cause extensive environmental
           | damage and can be irreversible if not contained in time. The
           | worst thing that could happen is losing control over the
           | population of de-extinct species and damaging an
           | ecosystem(s).
           | 
           | That all being said, I'd be stumped if we somehow lost sight
           | of a woolly mammoth... and I'd be lying if I said I didn't
           | want to see one myself, so...
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | At least they're re-creating something big. Jurassic Park
       | notwithstanding, large animals are far less of a threat to humans
       | than something small that could become an invasive species.
       | Humans have tens of millions of RPG rounds in stock.
        
         | creatonez wrote:
         | > Humans have tens of millions of RPG rounds in stock.
         | 
         | What is this, Horizon Zero Dawn? Will we have to steal parts
         | from the mammoth's cauldron facilities for our survival, while
         | the mammoths continue to get stronger and stronger in an
         | unstoppable paperclip optimizing loop?
        
           | hashhar wrote:
           | By paperclip optimizing loop did you by any chance mean
           | https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html?
        
         | bink wrote:
         | And yet Australia "lost" the Emu war.
        
       | sushid wrote:
       | Zeno's mammoth is what I'll call it until I see one breathing in
       | front of me.
        
       | alexwasserman wrote:
       | Is it a mammoth or an elephant that looks like a mammoth:
       | 
       | "To produce the calves, Colossal scientists will first identify
       | the genes encoding the woolly mammoth's most emblematic physical
       | traits, such as shaggy hair, curved tusks, fat deposits and a
       | dome-shaped cranium. They will then insert these genes into the
       | genome of closely related, and therefore genetically similar,
       | Asian elephants (Elephas maximus)."
       | 
       | They're not actually taking a full mammoth set of DNA and
       | inserting that into an elephant egg to grow into a mammoth, which
       | they'd done with earlier animals referenced in the article.
       | 
       | Also - how do they know the mother can actually handle it? Seems
       | pretty cruel to make the mother carry an edited child that she
       | might not be capable of handling.
        
       | karaterobot wrote:
       | > The question isn't so much whether we can resurrect lost
       | species but if we should.
       | 
       | I see what you did there, and I approve.
        
       | anonnon wrote:
       | > It's also worth considering who would be liable if large-scale
       | mammoth reintroductions went wrong. "The ecosystem has been
       | adapting to the absence of mammoths since mammoths started going
       | extinct," Lynch said. "What if there's an unintended consequence
       | and something bad happens?"
       | 
       | > Other experts echoed these concerns. "To get some impact, you
       | need to have a lot of animals," Sophie Monsarrat, an ecologist
       | and the rewilding manager at Rewilding Europe, told Live Science.
       | 
       | The target species are all ones that humans (and exceedingly
       | primitive humans, in the case of the mammoth) hunted to
       | extinction, and inadvertently, at that. If there are unintended
       | consequences, why couldn't we just hunt them to extinction again?
       | The species listed in the article are all large, and all
       | mammalian and non-flying avian (Dodo). It's not like they can
       | hide or get away from us easily.
        
       | timoth3y wrote:
       | They are not operating from the full DNA, but "enough DNA to
       | piece together functional genomes."
       | 
       | However, even if we had pristine copies of mammoth DNA we could
       | not re-create a mammoth.
       | 
       | Complex organisms like mammoths (or humans) are not fully defined
       | by DNA. They are an ecosystem of bacteria and smaller organisms.
       | We don't know the number for mammoths, but about 40% of the cells
       | in the human body are not human. They don't have our DNA. Without
       | them, however, we could not even process food. We get those
       | organisms, not from DNA, but from other humans and the
       | environment around us.
       | 
       | These scientists may be able to create _something_ , and
       | hopefully something that will not suffer horribly, but de-
       | extinction is not nearing realty.
        
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