[HN Gopher] IOGraphica
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IOGraphica
Author : bookofjoe
Score : 42 points
Date : 2024-08-26 17:06 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (iographica.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (iographica.com)
| rashkov wrote:
| This is cool but also it makes me think about the security
| implications of giving away your mouse movement data. Seems like
| creating realistic mouse movements can be valuable for defeating
| anti-scraping systems. Some security software even claims to
| uniquely identify a user based on their mouse movement.
| fsiefken wrote:
| Perhaps they can add an obfuscating randomizer to the movement
| pattern so the original mouse movement is distorted. Same
| security issue goes for hackernews comments, there is a user
| identifiable pattern in the way you write sentences and
| paragraphs, although the fingerprint less certain then a mouse
| movement. With hacker news you could obfuscate it with pre-
| parsing a comment through an llm with some instructions.
| lofaszvanitt wrote:
| Use a firewall.
| MrLeap wrote:
| What's a good firewall on windows these days
| hermitcrab wrote:
| Downloadable software can be doing all sorts of things that you
| might not be aware of. Recording mouse movements is probably
| the least of your worries. So be a bit wary about what you
| download, especially free software from unknown sources.
| amelius wrote:
| From the article:
|
| > We guarantee that IOGraph is safe. Softpedia can confirm
| it!
| hermitcrab wrote:
| LOL. I've made a living selling downloadable software for
| the last 19 years. I wouldn't put any stock in anything a
| download sites says. I'm not sure anything has improved
| since this little experiment I did in 2007:
| https://successfulsoftware.net/2007/08/16/the-software-
| award...
| hermitcrab wrote:
| BTW I've got no reason to believe that this particular
| piece of software (IOGraphica) is doing anything bad.
| caseyy wrote:
| When I was a kid, I built a simple messenger one
| afternoon. It would send messages to any IP address with
| the software running on the other end. To show it off at
| school, I uploaded it to Sourceforge.
|
| Today, this messenger is all over the internet and has
| won many awards, with rave reviews in several languages.
|
| Regretfully, Softpedia has given it mere 3/5 stars.
|
| Perhaps they had to knock a few stars off considering
| it's probably now just an exe not meant to run on Windows
| of this century, Matryoska doll-ed in malware and
| installers that random software download sites added to
| it over decades.
| caseyy wrote:
| I love it when banks just add a PNG to their pages with a
| lock and the word "Secure".
|
| It's PNG-secured.
| kome wrote:
| this is silly and fun :)
| knowaveragejoe wrote:
| I love emergent art like this. Would love to know of other
| projects that are similar - for example the generated videos
| showing the evolution of a git repository over time.
|
| Does anyone remember a program from the mid-2000s that cataloged
| mouse movement, keys typed, time spent in applications, etc and
| charted these in a leaderboard-like system? I remember it
| calculating, for example, how many miles your mouse had moved. I
| can't for the life of me remember the name of it.
| rbetts wrote:
| > how many miles your mouse had moved...
|
| I remember those! Perhaps something like "mouse pedometer?"
| MisterTea wrote:
| > Can I use the IOGraph produced image for commercial purposes?
|
| > A: Only with our written/e-mail permission. Get in touch with
| us and we'll sort that out.
|
| So my plotted mouse movements aren't mine? What exactly is the
| legal claim here and how does it differ from say a CAD program?
| Bjartr wrote:
| Just like the CAD program, it comes down to the license. CAD
| software that, for example, has a student edition often has a
| license restriction forbidding using the software output for
| commercial purposes. It's up to the licensor to decide the
| terms they offer, and AFAIK, restricting commercial use is not
| a controversial license term from a legal perspective.
| caseyy wrote:
| It gets a bit more controversial when the software adds
| exceedingly little to the creative process.
|
| Can a pencil company dictate licensing terms of the artworks
| made with it? You know, legally -- possibly. But ethically
| and morally -- not even close.
|
| CAD software adds a bit more to the engineering and design
| processes it is used in. There is a lot of IP, labor and
| money involved in building the software and its outputs.
|
| Returning to the software at hand which records mouse
| movements into a raster image -- that is trivial to code. It
| is an interesting idea, but singular, not a robust system of
| ideas necessary for anything like CAD. And has a lot of
| capital been invested to make this software possible? No.
|
| It's about what you give and what you take. It is a bit
| greedy to give very little and demand a lot.
| huhtenberg wrote:
| Unless I'm missing something ... an full-size example or two
| would've been nice.
| nyrulez wrote:
| Weird lack of examples. I was curious but I am not going to
| download before I have some idea of what I am getting into.
| hermitcrab wrote:
| My feelings exactly. Surely a gallery of examples wouldn't be
| hard to add?
| caseyy wrote:
| Examples: https://anatolyzenkov.com/iographica
| marcodiego wrote:
| For anyone fearing downloading and running a binary from an
| unknown source: it looks like the source is available:
| https://github.com/anatolyzenkov/IOGraph
| 0x69420 wrote:
| damn, nostalgia hit. i installed this as a kid when it was called
| mousepath, and the sight of the result was definitely part
| responsible for my amateur interest in graphics.
|
| on the topic of graphic design, everything about the landing page
| (all images in a spritesheet btw), the press listing from gizmodo
| back when that meant something, what a class act. they really
| just don't make sites like this anymore. btw only just now
| clicked for me that one of the devs went on to pull that recent
| button stealer stunt; clearly his sense of technical fun hasn't
| dulled a bit over the years
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