[HN Gopher] Strandbeest
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       Strandbeest
        
       Author : nicopappl
       Score  : 401 points
       Date   : 2024-08-25 13:06 UTC (1 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.strandbeest.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.strandbeest.com)
        
       | frumenty wrote:
       | Since the video on the site isn't working
       | https://youtu.be/C97kMKwZ2-g?feature=shared
        
       | anfractuosity wrote:
       | Really love the idea of the strandbeest :)
       | 
       | He also sells little miniature ones too -
       | https://www.strandbeest.com/shop/animaris-ordis-parvus
        
         | bensmoif wrote:
         | Bought one of these miniature kits years ago and kept it on my
         | desk at work and goddamn is it cool and fun and works great!
         | Really encourage any model machine nerds to get one.
        
           | ElCapitanMarkla wrote:
           | Oh those ones look much better than the one I brought off
           | AliExpress years ago. Not to mention it was missing a bag of
           | parts and they wanted me to send them a photo of the missing
           | parts...
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | The miniature in action:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9CENC972pY
        
       | xnx wrote:
       | Accidental strandbeest:
       | https://www.tiktok.com/@ronygarcia15/video/74053667625453683...
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | I need his heart. Please give it back.
        
       | mhb wrote:
       | OK I'll be the one. Not sure why these get so much love. Sure
       | they're cool-looking untethered kites but all the nonsense about
       | "creating new forms of life" - really?
        
         | dyauspitr wrote:
         | That's just interesting lore.
        
           | mhb wrote:
           | It's PR gobbledygook he made up to make these seem more
           | interesting than the mechanical tumbleweeds that they are.
        
             | dyauspitr wrote:
             | I mean pasta is just boiled dough by that metric.
        
         | worldsayshi wrote:
         | I think as a programmer they fascinate me because they feel as
         | simple and elegant as a boid algorithm and looks like life in a
         | similar way but they also exist in the real world. It gives you
         | the idea that you could build other similar simulated life like
         | things.
        
         | RodgerTheGreat wrote:
         | It's partially euphemism, but there's also more substance to it
         | than you may realize.
         | 
         | The ratios in the Jansen linkages were originally developed
         | through genetic algorithms in computer simulations. Jansen now
         | builds multiple generations of machines at once and has them
         | compete in various "survival" tasks on the beaches,
         | prioritizing further development based on the success of each
         | "mutation"; an ongoing human-assisted evolutionary process.
         | 
         | The Strandbeest machines are also capable of much more
         | sophisticated behavior than may be evident: they pressurize air
         | using wind power and store it in bottles, which in turn run
         | pneumatic "nervous systems" made from logic gates, oscillators,
         | and flip-flops. As the machines have grown more sophisticated
         | they've gained the ability to sense the waterline (with ground-
         | trailing hoses that detect back-pressure from water) and avoid
         | it, to anchor themselves to the ground when it gets too windy,
         | to steer around simple obstacles, and so on.
         | 
         | Strandbeest machines reproducing independently from humans
         | would be a pipe-dream, but at the very least they should be
         | understood as autonomous, biomimetic robots at the same time as
         | they are sculptures.
        
           | iterateoften wrote:
           | I don't care either way about this conversation, just thought
           | it was interesting, but what you described is essentially
           | every engineered thing.
           | 
           | A pocket watch has more complexity than what you are
           | describing but isn't any closer to "artificial life" then any
           | other engineered thing that takes and stores external power.
        
             | uberman wrote:
             | I hear what you are saying but remember, many people did
             | not think a computer would ever pass the Turing test.
        
             | dr_dshiv wrote:
             | The mechanisms of a pocket watch are specifically designed
             | to avoid influence from the outside environment. A
             | strandbeest has the added complexity of evolving to actual
             | environments, which are pretty complex. The ability to
             | survive is pretty life-like, even more than the ability to
             | function.
        
         | gedy wrote:
         | Bear in mind he is an artist, and it's de rigueur to have some
         | story or concept with what you make. I learned this the hard
         | way when I used to do algorithmic art back in college, you
         | can't just say what it is or how you made it.
        
           | 1attice wrote:
           | I came here to say this -- OP seems to be reacting not to the
           | work itself, but to the framing. It reminds me of how my
           | friends used to jump down my throat when I said 'AI' instead
           | of 'Machine Learning' -- they had a point; 'Artificial
           | Intelligence', as a coinage, is tendentiously animistic (just
           | like Jensen's 'new forms of life'.)
           | 
           | Yet, of course, that's exactly how we encounter LLMs! The
           | whole _point_ of ChatGPT isn't to do a "mechanical learning"
           | (whatever that might be,) it's to create an experience that
           | is more reminiscent of talking to another human being. An
           | 'intelligence', if you will, but artificial.
           | 
           | At some point, we will need to tease out why engineering
           | culture is so huffy about articulating its own goals; I have
           | this mental image of a magician standing on stage, berating
           | his audience for ever believing that rabbits could ever be
           | made to come out of hats, all the while collecting a tidy sum
           | for doing just that.
        
         | neoberg wrote:
         | It's lore. Superman is also cool-looking and the whole story
         | around it just adds depth; no one thinks it's real.
        
         | ramblerman wrote:
         | I think its a cool exploration between art and engineering,
         | with the end effect looking lifelike and emergent. It reminds
         | me of the game of life.
         | 
         | But yeah the peanut gallery with 30k in hn karma probably have
         | something snarky to say about it.
        
         | gitaarik wrote:
         | The artist's idea is that these machines can ultimately roam
         | the beach independently without the need of human interaction.
         | They also don't need fuel since they only move from the wind
         | they catch. At the same time it looks like some kind of weird
         | huge animal (strandbeest translates to beach beast). And it's
         | an art project so yeah I get why he calls it like that.
        
       | binwiederhier wrote:
       | Relatedly, here's a 3D printed, mechanical version of it:
       | https://youtu.be/nHqqCRVlUus?si=p_q78n_nKYZhykNt -- By Engineezy,
       | great YouTube channel.
        
         | ElCapitanMarkla wrote:
         | When you said 3D printed, I wanted expecting that scale. That
         | was cool
        
       | alwinaugustin wrote:
       | Looks beautiful.
        
       | throwaway920102 wrote:
       | For anyone who wants to know more:
       | 
       | This is an application of Jansen's linkage:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansen%27s_linkage
       | 
       | There are other similar linkages but Jansen's is quite good.
       | 
       | For anyone who doesn't have an idea why something like this
       | matters or is inspiring beyond art, legged vehicles have many
       | downsides but one big upside is that you can theoretically avoid
       | the rubber/microplastic particulate emission associated with
       | tires and wheeled vehicles if you can make legged vehicles as
       | good as wheeled ones.
       | 
       | Even an electric battery vehicle with an electric motor charged
       | by a solar/wind/nuclear power plant still emits pure poison into
       | the air and waterways through friction between tires and the
       | road.
       | 
       | Good alternatives would be biocompatible tires (Nitinol mesh
       | tires like SMART Tire company's initial prototype that lacked the
       | rubber coating) or legged vehicles.
        
         | polishdude20 wrote:
         | Wouldn't a legged vehicle still have that problem if it can
         | achieve the same speeds and weights that regular cars go at?
         | 
         | Scale up a human for example to the weight and speed of a car.
         | Crazy powerful and big legs, big feet, big shoes. The rubber
         | must hit the road either way and push down with a force to
         | propel the weight of this car-heavy legged human at speeds of
         | 100km/h. It would still wear rubber away just like tires do.
         | 
         | Legged vehicles aren't a replacement for regular vehicles if
         | tire particulates are your concern.
        
           | necovek wrote:
           | Couldn't you do away with rubber and shoes since for legs you
           | don't need flat, smooth roads either (so metal legs of a
           | multi-ton vehicle won't have anything to damage too bad).
           | 
           | For comfort, you could have springs and air and hydraulic
           | dampeners.
        
             | polishdude20 wrote:
             | The metal itself would damage the ground that is walked on
             | though no?
        
               | necovek wrote:
               | Yes, but walking on rough terrain would still keep it a
               | rough terrain.
        
               | wizzwizz4 wrote:
               | Rough terrain with less and less purchase, until it just
               | turns into a pile of dry dust / wet mud (depending on
               | weather). A legged vehicle as heavy as a car would wear
               | away stone, tear roots... I don't think there's any
               | surface that could withstand heavy traffic, except maybe
               | something ridiculous like a fast-growing woody grass.
        
               | wizzwizz4 wrote:
               | For some reason, I was imagining a machine with legs like
               | a footstool. Any realistic machine like this would have
               | large, wide feet. With proper suspension, the pressure
               | might be low enough to not completely destroy the ground.
               | 
               | Though, I'm struggling to see how this would be better
               | than a wheeled vehicle: you've still got static friction
               | between the feet and the ground... I guess maybe they're
               | flexing less?
        
               | necovek wrote:
               | Yeah, large feet would reduce the pressure on the ground,
               | though it would still suffer some effects for sure -- but
               | the goal is to avoid rubber and microplastics, so metal
               | feet it is :)
               | 
               | Anyway, I agree that a wheeled vehicle is probably going
               | to win on efficiency just the same, though wheels do
               | require better roads than legs do (eg. common example is
               | stairs).
        
               | wizzwizz4 wrote:
               | A bicycle can do stairs just fine. They're tricky, but
               | not much more than a similarly-steep hill would be. (Of
               | course, that's ignoring wear on the tyres from going over
               | the edges of the steps.)
        
               | necovek wrote:
               | With wheels, it depends on the size of the wheel what
               | unevenness in the terrain it can cover.
               | 
               | Eg. a monster truck can handle more of it, but it's
               | impractical for a bunch of other reasons.
               | 
               | Similar holds for legs, but legs can usually do jumps
               | too.
        
               | lucianbr wrote:
               | > one big upside is that you can theoretically avoid the
               | rubber/microplastic particulate emission associated with
               | tires and wheeled vehicles if you can make legged
               | vehicles as good as wheeled ones.
               | 
               | How does keeping rough terrain rough help with that?
        
               | necovek wrote:
               | My implication is that you want rubber for nice
               | asphalt/road surface to avoid damaging it -- for comfort,
               | other suspension components can help out instead.
               | 
               | If you don't care about preserving the terrain (which you
               | can when it's rough to begin with), you can just go with
               | large surface metal feet and you should not get any
               | rubber/microplastics, though you will get metallic dust.
        
               | Loughla wrote:
               | I believe the main issue is the rubber and chemicals from
               | the nice road surfaces. So your argument seems like a
               | problem looking for a solution?
        
               | necovek wrote:
               | That's wrong: the problem is the rubber on the wheel (or
               | feet in case of legs) being spent due to the traction and
               | emission of rubber microparticles as it is.
        
               | Loughla wrote:
               | Yes sorry I wasn't clear enough. Rubber and chemicals
               | from tires on the nice road surfaces. That's what that
               | should have said.
               | 
               | But the legs are still a solution in search of a problem.
        
               | necovek wrote:
               | Sure, the original article is about a legged movement,
               | and the entire thread is about microparticle
               | (plastics/rubber) emission comparison between wheels and
               | legs.
        
               | lucianbr wrote:
               | Wht do you think mountain bikes have rubber tires? Or one
               | of these? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-
               | terrain_vehicle Or a dune buggy?
               | 
               | Pretty clearly the worry about the road surface is not
               | the only cause of using tires.
               | 
               | Also, if you don't care for either preserving the surface
               | or comfort (use something else for comfort) then... use
               | metal wheels. Or ceramic wheels, or tracks or something.
        
           | fragmede wrote:
           | > The rubber must hit the road
           | 
           | if the wheels were metal and the roadway was also metal, but
           | arranged into parallel small roadways, then we could avoid
           | using rubber and not have the problem of rubber particulates.
        
             | anamexis wrote:
             | Seems like in that case, you could just use cogwheels and
             | racks, and avoid the complexity of legs.
        
               | ada1981 wrote:
               | like, trains?
        
               | anamexis wrote:
               | Yes, specifically cog railways.
        
             | mensetmanusman wrote:
             | Metal particles are more reactive and toxic than rubber
             | particles.
        
           | user_7832 wrote:
           | > It would still wear rubber away just like tires do.
           | 
           | It's been a hot minute since I learnt rolling friction in
           | high school physics but (iirc) a very interesting and
           | unintuitive aspect of it is that there's always an
           | opposing/slowing force on a (rubber) wheel. Only a slippping
           | wheel will not experience a slowdown. Static friction is
           | different from rolling friction, and (I _think_ ) can offer
           | zero wear in ideal conditions - but rolling wear is always
           | non-zero.
        
         | immibis wrote:
         | Yes indeed - Jansen's machines are applications of Jansen's
         | linkage :)
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | I feel like your choice of phrasing downplays the fact that the
         | strandbeest is created by the guy the principle is named after.
        
         | lucianbr wrote:
         | It says these are made of plastic pipe. Doesn't the pipe wear
         | down where it contacts (or even slides in the video) the
         | ground, creating microplastics?
         | 
         | Also, it already slides some of the time in the videos. Not
         | sure what the advantage is over a simple slide dragged by a
         | sail.
        
           | ninininino wrote:
           | Strandbeest is just one legged vehicle. But I was just going
           | on a tangent about an important aspect of legged vehicles in
           | general.
        
         | jpk wrote:
         | > legged vehicles have many downsides but one big upside is
         | that you can theoretically avoid the rubber/microplastic
         | particulate emission associated with tires and wheeled vehicles
         | if you can make legged vehicles as good as wheeled ones.
         | 
         | How do you square this idea with the fact that my running shoes
         | wear out? I'm a legged vehicle, and it's clear that the soles
         | of my shoes wear down over time and the lost mass of the rubber
         | went somewhere.
         | 
         | Whether legs or wheels, there are going to be contact patches
         | that have to endure some quantity of sheering force when the
         | vehicle is doing anything other than remaining stationary. It's
         | this sheering force that grates the particulates away from
         | tires, and I presume a legged vehicle would need a tire-like
         | compound on the surfaces it uses to contact the road. So why
         | would legs be different in this regard?
        
           | burkaman wrote:
           | You could wear wooden clogs or something. It would be
           | uncomfortable but if you were a robot you wouldn't care. They
           | would still wear out, but sawdust is less permanent than
           | microplastics.
        
             | conceptme wrote:
             | Before they used wooden tires
        
             | cenamus wrote:
             | most wooden clogs come with rubber soles nowadays to make
             | them bearable to wear for more than an hour
        
               | brnt wrote:
               | Or, we should stop paving road surfaces so wooden clogs
               | work again as intended without being painful after a
               | while.
        
               | rtkwe wrote:
               | Paving is a solution to a much worse problem of huge
               | maintenance costs of non paved roads and paths.
               | Unimproved dirt doesn't stand up well and gravel needs
               | more maintenance than paving as well.
        
               | card_zero wrote:
               | Before there was asphalt/tarmac/blacktop there was
               | "macadam", which was tarmacadam without the tar. But it
               | used to kick up huge amounts of dust, so it was normal to
               | pour water on the roads in hot weather.
        
               | rtkwe wrote:
               | Doesn't seem like that would be significantly better to
               | walk on compared to modern paved surfaces with all wood
               | clogs as mentioned in this thread though. Never worn them
               | though so maybe it would be.
        
         | dyauspitr wrote:
         | That's a dumb reason. A reason for reasons sake.
         | 
         | These matter because they are beautiful and make people happy.
         | They're also appreciable technical achievements.
        
           | monooso wrote:
           | > For anyone who doesn't have an idea why something like this
           | matters or is inspiring _beyond art_...
           | 
           | (Emphasis mine)
           | 
           | The OP acknowledges that these are beautiful, and then
           | explains other reasons why this work may be interesting or
           | important.
           | 
           | There's nothing dumb in that.
        
         | xg15 wrote:
         | Isn't another advantage of legged vehicles being more
         | applicable to uneven/unstable terrain? (Like in this case the
         | constantly shifting water/mud/sand boundaries of a beach)
         | 
         | If you wanted to build a similar contraption that is powered by
         | wind but moves on wheels, I imagine there is a much larger
         | chance of it getting stuck.
        
           | crazygringo wrote:
           | Sure, but on the other hand legs produce a LOT more
           | force/weight per square inch, which can lead to them sinking
           | more easily.
           | 
           | Which is why what the military uses for unstable terrain is
           | treads like you see on tanks. Same for construction equipment
           | that operates on soft soil.
        
             | xg15 wrote:
             | Makes sense. I suppose the additional constraint here is
             | "with minimal damage to the environment".
             | 
             | Like, some caterpillar-type vehicle could move fine on that
             | beach, but you'd definitely see the trace of its movement
             | afterwards...
             | 
             | So legs are not a useful movement mechanism for tanks, but
             | they might be for delivery bots, etc.
             | 
             | I also wonder about the energy expense. The strandbeests
             | seem to be powered by nothing else than a number of sails
             | and the movement mechanism has little enough resistance
             | that the wind force is enough to pull the vehicle along.
             | 
             | It _feels_ as if a caterpillar would have more resistance,
             | though I don 't have the numbers. I guess you could in
             | theory make a wind-powered caterpillar vehicle by using a
             | turbine - but the vehicle would probably be slower, I.e.
             | less efficient?
        
         | Cthulhu_ wrote:
         | You seem to posit that legged vehicles doing 100+ km/h for
         | hundreds of thousands of kilometers do not have as much wear
         | and tear as rubber tires do. What is that based on? And does it
         | have the same or better friction / energy efficiency?
         | 
         | (I know the answers, I'm just trying to provoke you into
         | thinking about your comment)
        
         | IncreasePosts wrote:
         | Are any companies doing r&d for drop in tire replacements that
         | don't have as much of an issue with micro plastics?
        
           | ninininino wrote:
           | SMART tire company
        
         | samstave wrote:
         | So many people dont know this - the tire muck that comes from
         | theforever chemicals used in all tire manufacture is
         | horrifically bad - to the point where one eco guy I was
         | listening to basically gave up when he learned just how bad the
         | chemicals from tires are. (ill try to find the podcast) -- and
         | he notes how Humans tried to make reefs out of tires for Ocean
         | Life.
         | 
         |  _In dystopian Dark Mirror Humor, I bemused myself with the day
         | dream thought that Michelin Star restaurants, whom are awarded
         | 3 stars for the distance one should be willing to drive is
         | greatest with more stars - meaning that you should be willing
         | to make a journey to the off-beaten path to visit and eat this
         | food (which has yet to be em-poisoned with the forever
         | chemicals our Tires have put into all the densely populated
         | environments, thus this Elite Food is Clean._
        
         | rajnathani wrote:
         | There are tire particulate matter capture devices out there, in
         | research at least [0]. This solution plus having a heavy
         | vehicle weight-dependent tax could help (i.e. encouraging more
         | 2 (or 3) wheeler transportation regardless of whether motorized
         | or not).
         | 
         | [0] https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/195595/worlds-first-
         | device-c...
        
         | YeGoblynQueenne wrote:
         | There's a question of course about why we're not using legged
         | machines but I think you're way over-thinking this.
         | Strandbeests are just a cool and beautiful art project and
         | there is no more justification that they need than that. Art
         | has a utility all of its own without having to inspire
         | engineering works.
         | 
         | Besides which strandbeests are made of plastic tubing which
         | kiind of weakens your argument about environmental
         | friendliness.
        
         | dcuthbertson wrote:
         | If your goal is to replace rubber tires, then how about going
         | whole hog and turn the entire road system into a railway
         | system? Tires made of steel, parallel tracks, lots of
         | switching, perhaps regional control systems to guide
         | computerized vehicles along the fastest route keeping safe
         | distances between cars, and cars that automatically link and
         | unlink to create dynamic trains along shared routes. I think
         | that would be a very cool system (although outrageously
         | expensive to realize).
        
       | vulkd wrote:
       | These are fantastic. Reminds me of the structures ("choruses"?)
       | from "A Topiary" script by Shane Carruth (the same bloke who made
       | Primer). The first act's "pattern-seeking" premise is great, too.
       | I think anyone who enjoys films such as Aronofsky's Pi,
       | Linklater, Kaufman, etc would enjoy at least skimming through the
       | first act.
       | 
       | - Script: https://indiegroundfilms.wordpress.com/wp-
       | content/uploads/20...
       | 
       | - Script Reviews:
       | https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17338551-a-topiary
       | 
       | - Trailer (Not sure if legit) showing the Strandbeest-like
       | creatures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16vaQ9Tv8Lc
        
         | jes5199 wrote:
         | I love this script, it's a shame that it will probably never be
         | a film. The philosophy question it implies - does science and
         | technology have its own teleology, and if so is that good or
         | evil - is one that fascinates me
         | 
         | for anyone who doesn't know the history, Carruth shopped this
         | script around for years before giving up on finding anyone to
         | fund it. Eventually he gave up and made a different film. And
         | then he was arrested on charges of domestic violence, and a
         | second victim filed a restraining order against him. Since
         | then, he hasn't been welcome in Hollywood. The rumor is that
         | he's returned to his old career, software engineering, where
         | it's easier to find work.
        
         | edanm wrote:
         | I wasn't aware a script existed! I've been waiting for years to
         | see the movie, being a huge Primer fan, though I understand it
         | probably won't get made.
        
       | johnasmith wrote:
       | The English translation of the (Dutch) "strandbeest" is "beach
       | animal".
        
         | jfengel wrote:
         | English still uses the cognate "strand" to mean beach or
         | riverside. The most famous is The Strand in London, along the
         | Thames. It's a bit archaic sounding but is not too uncommon.
        
           | gjm11 wrote:
           | Likely familiar even if you haven't heard "strand" as such
           | with that meaning: "stranded" (run aground on the beach).
           | 
           | One place where you might possibly have heard "strand"
           | meaning the beach: Lewis Carroll. "The Walrus and the
           | Carpenter were walking on the strand: / They wept like
           | anything to see / Such quantities of sand. / 'If this were
           | only cleared away,' / They said, 'it would be grand.'"
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | More like "beach beast". "Animal" is "dier".
        
           | 082349872349872 wrote:
           | The way I (L1-english) have thought usage went is: "beestje"
           | (as in "Huisje, Boompje, Beestje") is informal for animal,
           | but "dier" (as in PvdD*) is formal.
           | 
           | So I guess I'd offer "beach critter"?
           | 
           | * https://www.partyfortheanimals.com/en/organizations/partij-
           | v...
        
             | layer8 wrote:
             | "Beest" is a wild animal, or a savage being. It's quite
             | similar to English "beast". "Beestje" is a diminutive that
             | is affectionately applied to animals. "Dier" is neutral
             | (not formal) "animal".
        
               | 082349872349872 wrote:
               | TIL (VHIG?)
        
       | toolslive wrote:
       | There have been efforts to use a similar concept to clear out
       | mine fields.
        
         | shagie wrote:
         | Similar in visual appearance, difference in design.
         | 
         | https://medium.com/kickstarter/the-explosion-artist-5db66a99...
         | 
         | > Aside from these functional benefits, Mine Kafon has an
         | undeniable aesthetic beauty. The tumbling dandelion-like
         | structure recalls Dutch sculptor Theo Jansen's Strandbeests,
         | similarly fashioned from repurposed industrial materials and
         | eerily imbued with life by the wind. Hassani's work even caught
         | the eye of MoMA's Senior Curator of Design, Paola Antonelli,
         | who included Mine Kafon in the museum's 2014 Design and
         | Violence show. More exhibitions around the world followed, and
         | the project became something of a viral sensation, with the
         | elegance of the idea -- and Hassani's inspiring story --
         | propelling the pressing issue of landmines through social media
         | and beyond.
         | 
         | > Mine Kafon also garnered attention from the Dutch Ministry of
         | Defense, which evaluated the design's effectiveness in their
         | test minefields, ultimately determining that the project was
         | not practical for operational use but still valuable as a tool
         | for raising awareness.
         | 
         | ---
         | 
         | It has some issues with following topological contours and one
         | not getting blown up isn't a "this area is clear" (or even a
         | deterministic "this path through this area is clear"). One
         | getting blown up means it found one mine (possible some more if
         | its durable) ... and then you need to clean up the scrap, but
         | this returns to the "you don't have a positive signal of this
         | area is completely free from mines."
        
       | rafram wrote:
       | There is (or was as of recently) a little exhibit on these at the
       | Jewish Museum in NYC of all places. It's an incredibly cool
       | project.
        
       | mosselman wrote:
       | I love the Strandbeesten. I've never seen them in real life, but
       | I just love the philosophy and the videos.
       | 
       | We have a fossil of one of them that we purchased from the artist
       | which is always a good conversation piece when we have guests.
        
       | phendrenad2 wrote:
       | I love simulation theory because it keeps me from going insane
       | when I think of something randomly and it's on the front page of
       | HN the next day (for the first time in 7 months).
       | 
       | Anyway these would be cool if they could actually move humans.
       | Imagine crossing a vast desert with some friends on one of these
       | bad boys.
        
         | Galaxeblaffer wrote:
         | https://youtu.be/rqs9Awx5zgQ?si=Ojawx-oejvcRkopC, will probably
         | not cross a dessert, but pretty cool.
        
         | jackcosgrove wrote:
         | On the subject of coincidences, I went to order one of the
         | Strandbeest mini sets from this very website last week.
         | 
         | Unfortunately their virtual store is closed for a couple weeks
         | more. I was prepared to place an order and wait, but on the
         | website checkout page there was a random person's name as if I
         | was checking out someone else's order. It's probably an
         | innocent mistake, like a hard coded default value or something.
         | 
         | I like to support artists directly, and it was a bit
         | disappointing that there was so much friction with the buying
         | process.
        
           | 082349872349872 wrote:
           | Did you not get the popup?
           | 
           | > _During the months of July and August you cannot place
           | orders in our webshop. ... Theo Jansen and his team wish you
           | a nice summer._
        
           | saaaaaam wrote:
           | Art takes time.
        
         | Cthulhu_ wrote:
         | I'm sure they could, but they'd need a different design to
         | carry the extra load; at the moment it only carries its own
         | lightweight construction.
         | 
         | That said, for personal transport in windy / flat conditions, a
         | kart with a parachute kite works as well, you see those on the
         | beach on occasion too.
        
       | tpurves wrote:
       | Now I am imagining a mars rover that works like one of these.
       | Stampeding over the rocky landscape, powered by martian wind.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | Given that Mars' atmosphere density is only about one percent
         | of Earth's, that seems unlikely.
        
           | rtkwe wrote:
           | Lots of ways to deal with that in theory. You could have the
           | windmill store the energy in a spring and release it in a
           | more powerful burst when it reaches a certain level. Another
           | way would just be gearing it waaay down so the windmill can
           | spin with very little force and the strandbeest just moves
           | very very slowly.
        
       | bastawhiz wrote:
       | I remember watching videos about these maybe two decades ago on
       | MSN TV (an early precursor to video streaming services)
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | Oh, that guy is still at it and has made progress. There's
       | pneumatic logic now and the new model can reverse direction.
        
       | arialdomartini wrote:
       | Beautiful video with an update on the evolutionary development
       | (up to 2021)
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C97kMKwZ2-g
        
       | ElCapitanMarkla wrote:
       | I can remember first seeing these in Theo's 2007 Ted Talk. I must
       | have drawn than linkage about 10,000 times over the next few
       | years. I always had big dreams of raiding dad's plumbing supplies
       | to make a version of one.
        
       | Tepix wrote:
       | In the video there clearly is a line being pulled from the right.
       | Was the wind insufficient that day? It seems like cheating.
        
       | qiqitori wrote:
       | There's this guy I met at Maker Faire Tokyo last year who builds
       | walking things (including Strandbeests) out of single-use
       | chopsticks and a dollar-store lint remover for propulsion. If
       | you're interested he has a YouTube channel,
       | https://youtube.com/@miseclinic
        
       | Kon-Peki wrote:
       | I remember seeing an exhibition of these many years ago that
       | included demos [1]. It was outstanding (evidenced by the fact
       | that I still remember). I wonder if he still does tours and
       | exhibitions. If so, be sure to check them out.
       | 
       | [1]
       | https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/dca/supp_info/strandbe...
        
         | vincvinc wrote:
         | If you want to experience Strandbeest yourself, Theo will be
         | giving demos on september 14 in Vlissingen, the Netherlands.
         | 
         | https://instagram.com/p/C_Fr24Zg2pl/
        
       | SamGyamfi wrote:
       | I stumbled upon Theo's Instagram page a while ago and I was
       | stunned at how cool his inventions are. I'd really underrated how
       | well one could bridge engineering and art.
       | 
       | https://www.instagram.com/theojansen_official/
        
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