[HN Gopher] Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone
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Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone
Author : meetpateltech
Score : 315 points
Date : 2024-08-21 17:11 UTC (23 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.midjourney.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.midjourney.com)
| meetpateltech wrote:
| > The Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone. We're
| also temporarily turning on free trials to let you check it out.
| Have fun!
|
| https://x.com/midjourney/status/1826305298560418171
| pizzathyme wrote:
| This is a _interesting_ company to watch in the Gen AI space
| since they don 't have all the same restrictions as the bigger
| companies.
|
| Crazy this took them so long, and also crazy that they got so far
| through a very confusing Discord experience.
| paxys wrote:
| Crazier still that they have been able to achieve what they
| have with zero external funding.
| golergka wrote:
| Using discord is a great way to focus on what's important and
| get not great, but good enough ux and community tools basically
| for free.
| derefr wrote:
| That and you get user observability for free, and support
| injection in a way that to this day there's no good way to do
| in an "app" experience.
|
| Presuming your bot requires people to interact with it in
| public channels, your CSRs can then just sit in those
| channels watching people using the bot, and step in if
| they're struggling. It's a far more impactful way to leverage
| support staff than sticking a support interface on your
| website and hoping people will reach out through it.
|
| It's actually akin to the benefit of a physically-situated
| product demo experience, e.g. the product tables at an Apple
| Store.
|
| And, also like an Apple Store, customers can also watch what
| _one-another_ are doing /attempting, and so can both learn
| from one another, and act as informal support for one-
| another.
| smusamashah wrote:
| What do you mean by no restrictions? My account was flagged and
| under review after using two bold prompts.
| matsemann wrote:
| The _company_ doesn 't have the same restrictions. They're
| not talking about the ai model.
| rambojohnson wrote:
| what do you mean they don't have restrictions?
| matsemann wrote:
| Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc all have to shoehorn these
| things into their products to stay on top, but it's not their
| core business and they don't want it to take away from their
| ads or licenses they sell. Midjourney as a company is much
| freer to innovate without the burden of the restrictions of
| an established company.
| seatac76 wrote:
| Try creating something mocking Xi Jinping.
| thot_experiment wrote:
| wait really? i'm not gonna sign up for midjourney but it's
| surprising to me that this would be restricted
| demadog wrote:
| Yep - they self-censor themselves according to China's
| whims, just so they can have China access now only to be
| banned by the great firewall 1 year from now after Chines
| startups scrape all their image outputs for training.
| rchaud wrote:
| Why is AI needed for that? Political satire doesn't require
| anything more than adding a text balloon to an already
| existing picture.
| yas_hmaheshwari wrote:
| Haha, that was the craziest part about signing on midjourney,
| when you have to sign up via Discord
|
| I don't use Discord on my office laptop, and that was very odd
| experience
| xwowsersx wrote:
| What was the confusing Discord experience? Was it that Discord
| was the main way to access Midjourney, and it was chaotic? I
| vaguely remember this, but didn't spend much time there.
| qntmfred wrote:
| The very fact that it was on discord in the first place was
| enough for me.
| demadog wrote:
| The only restrictions they have are that you can't imagine
| President Xi, nor can you mention anything PG-13 like bathing
| suits.
| wordofx wrote:
| > space since they don't have all the same restrictions as the
| bigger companies.
|
| Can you give an example? Midjourney is heavily censored so it
| seems like it has a lot of restrictions.
| seattle_spring wrote:
| What are some examples of behaviors that would exemplify
| their heavy censorship?
| juped wrote:
| try generating with the prompt "a spoony bard and a
| licentious howler", if you're willing to catch a ban for
| using ted woolsey's horrible, offensive language that was
| acceptable to 1990s nintendo of america
| jpalomaki wrote:
| Maybe they got so far thanks to the Discord approach.
|
| When you went to the Discord, you immediately got the endless
| stream of great looking stuff other people were generating.
| This was quite powerful way to show what is possible.
|
| I bet one challenge for getting new users engaged with these
| tools is that you try to generate something, get bad results,
| get disappointed and never come back.
| Filligree wrote:
| That's exactly true, and having built a similar bot for
| friends and acquaintances to use, the effect in question is
| huge. It makes no sense to go for a webapp first, second or
| even third.
| BonoboIO wrote:
| They did a clever thing, they used Discord and their servers as
| CDN
|
| No hosting of the generated pictures, just send them via
| discord message and forget them. No S3 or big cloud lambda
| functions.
|
| Easy to start to make a minimal working prototype.
| k8sToGo wrote:
| Looks like I still need a discord or a google account and can't
| just use regular email?
| layer8 wrote:
| Yes, unfortunately. That's a no-go for me.
| kxrm wrote:
| I feel like this is an old man yells at cloud moment but I
| refuse to link social media or google accounts with other
| services.
|
| Why should Google's or Discord's policy dictate my
| participation in the web?
| qclibre22 wrote:
| So google will rank them higher in search results?
| layer8 wrote:
| They probably don't want to deal with email registration
| workflows and want to limit themselves to OAuth, but that's
| not user/customer-friendly.
| mark242 wrote:
| Because the alternative is pretty provably worse for you,
| and for them.
|
| * You have to save your (hopefully unique!) email/password
| in a password manager which is effectively contradictory to
| your "I won't use a cloud service" argument.
|
| * The company needs to build out a whole email/password
| authentication flow, including forgetting your password,
| resetting your password, hints, rate limiting, etc etc, all
| things that Google/Apple have entire dedicated engineering
| teams tackling; alternatively, there are solid drop-in
| OAuth libraries for every major language out there.
|
| * Most people do not want to manage passwords and so take
| the absolute lazy route of reusing their passwords across
| all kinds of services. This winds up with breached accounts
| because Joe Smith decided to use his LinkedIn
| email/password on Midjourney.
|
| * People have multiple email addresses and as a result wind
| up forgetting which email address/password they used for a
| given site.
|
| Auth is the number one customer service problem on almost
| any service out there. When you look at the sheer number of
| tickets, auth failures and handholding always dominate time
| spent helping customers, and it isn't close. If Midjourney
| alienates 1 potential customer out of 100, but the other 99
| have an easier sign-in experience and don't have to worry
| about any of the above, that is an absolute win.
| mikae1 wrote:
| _> People have multiple email addresses and as a result
| wind up forgetting which email address /password they
| used for a given site._
|
| Effectively you mean that people have multiple Google
| accounts?
| kxrm wrote:
| All very thoughtful arguments but I think this solution
| to these problems is flawed. I don't believe we should be
| solving authentication management problems by handing
| over all authentication capabilities and responsibilities
| to one or two mega companies.
|
| Especially since those companies can wield this enormous
| power by removing my access to this service because I may
| or may not have violated a policy unrelated to this
| service.
|
| There has to be a better way.
| skybrian wrote:
| There is: passkeys and alternative password managers.
| fragmede wrote:
| there's web3, where users have a private key and the
| public key is on a cryptocurrency chain, but adoption
| there has been slow. there's also a number of problems
| with that approach, but that's the other option on the
| table.
|
| I want to believe, but sadly there's no market for it.
| unless someone wants to start a privacy minded
| alternative to auth0, and figure out a business model
| that works , which is to say, are you willing to pay for
| this better way? are there enough other people willing to
| pay a company for privacy to make it a lucrative
| worthwhile business? because users are trained to think
| that software should be free-as-in-beer but
| unfortunately, developing software is expensive and those
| costs have to be recouped somehow. people say they want
| to pay, but revealed preferences are they don't.
| mindcandy wrote:
| While we are all waiting for the world to sort these
| problems out, companies that are not interested in
| solving them for the world will continue to use SSO
| techniques.
|
| I'm very not impressed by this deep, extended critique of
| machine learning researchers using common security best
| practices on the grounds that those practices involve an
| imperfect user experience for those requiring perfect
| anonymity...
| rurp wrote:
| You make it sound untenable to support email/password
| auth, but given that the vast majority of low tech and
| high tech online services manage it just fine, I think
| you might be exaggerating a bit. Since Midjourney is
| already outsourcing their auth flow, they could just as
| easily use a third party that supports the most common
| form of account creation.
| marssaxman wrote:
| All of what you say may well be true, and yet: everyone
| else on the internet manages to make it work.
|
| Password managers don't have to be cloud services. The
| user gets to choose.
|
| Some of us like to use a different email address for each
| account _on purpose_.
| stuffoverflow wrote:
| Why not just make another google account that you solely
| use for registration in services like these? Use a virtual
| machine with VPN if you really do not want it to be linked
| with your real account.
|
| It is a bit of extra work but that's just how it is
| nowadays.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Does not google require a telephone number to create
| accounts nowadays? In some regions there are no anonymous
| SIM cards by law. (Temporary number services may not work
| well.)
| KolmogorovComp wrote:
| Midjourney is a paid-only service anyway, you would need
| to enter your credit card, so no anonymity.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| There do exist anonymous credit cards, paid with cash,
| for fixed relatively small amounts (e.g. ~100u. In Europe
| there are restrictions to these kind of payment methods -
| cards must be below, I believe, 150EUR).
| layer8 wrote:
| The issue is you have to disclose your phone number to
| Google, not (just) to Midjourney, AND Google will know
| you use Midjourney.
|
| There's too much unnecessary connected PII data generated
| by such mechanisms.
| latexr wrote:
| It is very much possible to create temporary credit cards
| linked to your real bank account for one-off purchases.
| Apple Card provides that as a service (US only) and other
| countries have similar systems that every bank adheres
| to.
|
| Plus, you may not mind not being anonymous to Midjourney
| but mind not being anonymous to some other service (like
| Google).
| kxrm wrote:
| I am pretty sure that if any account I own at Google is
| caught violating policy, all other accounts are subject
| to being disabled.
| nottorp wrote:
| I think the only way to make a google account without a
| phone number these days is to factory reset an android
| phone and take the sim out beforehand.
|
| If that even still works...
| skybrian wrote:
| Yeah, they should add Github support.
| mrweasel wrote:
| While I understand that they might need some account or token
| to stop abuse, just having my sign in is a big no for anything
| I just want to try out. After the whole social media trend more
| or less collapsed into a privacy invading data collection
| nightmare, I've been extremely reluctant to sign up for
| anything.
| ffsm8 wrote:
| You honestly think giving full, no rate limited free access
| is viable in the LLM space, where each execution is actually
| pretty expensive?
|
| Because that's what you're asking for, as it'd be trivial to
| reset the rate without accounts.
| stemlord wrote:
| Chatgpt does it
| ffsm8 wrote:
| No, it doesn't. you need to register for chatgpt.
| lofenfew wrote:
| go try it right now lol
|
| i assume they still have ip/browser fingerprint based
| rate limiting, but you can type in a prompt and get an
| answer with zero login or anything else.
| ffsm8 wrote:
| I'm prompted for a login/register. You're likely
| authenticating via Apple or Google social auth
| fragmede wrote:
| ChatGPT.com no longer requires registration to it
| ChatGPT-3.5.
| mrweasel wrote:
| No no, I understand that it's not a viable financial
| option, I just don't understand that anyone would trust any
| of these companies with any sort of information.
|
| Most of the current AI companies are going to fail or get
| bought up, so you have no idea where that account
| information, all your prompts and all the answers will
| eventually go. After social media, I don't really see any
| reason why anyone would trust any tech company with any
| sort of information, unless you really really have to. If I
| want to run an LLM, then I'll get one that can run on my
| own computer, even if that mean forgoing certain features.
| Jack5500 wrote:
| What the really need is user management, so big corps can adopt
| it. Currently with the user self-service it's a no-go.
| danielbln wrote:
| For a company workshop I wanted to pay for Midjourney to invite
| a bot into a private Discord with the workshop participants. We
| couldn't find a way of using it as a company account, and
| ultimately every participant had to get a sub, which was less
| than ideal. If it was today I would have them use Flux in some
| hosted version.
| xnorswap wrote:
| I have to say I'm very impressed. I've previously used free
| generators for generating scenery for my D&D campaign, and
| running a prompt here that previously took me dozens of tweaks to
| get something reasonable, instantly returned me a set of high
| quality images, at least one of which was much closer to my
| mind's eye than anything in those dozens of previous attempts.
|
| ( Prompting: An iron-gated door, set into a light stone arch, all
| deep set into the side of a gentle hill, as if the entrance to a
| forgotten crypt. The hill is lightly wooded, there is foliage in
| season. It is early evening. --v 6.1 )
|
| And result:
| https://cdn.midjourney.com/5b56f713-3d64-471f-8c3c-08a0247e6...
|
| The style matches exactly what I'd want too, it's captured
| "Fantasy RP book illustration" extremely well, despite that not
| being in the prompt!
| skybrian wrote:
| Midjourney's "house style" leans towards fantasy by default.
| coumbaya wrote:
| Flux, latest Midjourney, or even dall-e... I'm still disappointed
| that 3 of my sci-fi prompts never works (interior of an O'Neill
| Cylinder, Space elevator, rotating space station). I hope someone
| makes lora of those one day.
| xnorswap wrote:
| What prompts are you using for the space station? I think it
| pretty much nails it after some prompt tweaking.
|
| First attempt:
|
| https://cdn.midjourney.com/686f364f-188f-4065-813f-b45d21972...
|
| Tweaking to specify spokes around the central axis:
|
| https://cdn.midjourney.com/d18d3ad3-3fd0-461e-a3a8-5fc46f0ba...
| iwontberude wrote:
| Space Wagon Wheel
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| This makes me think the next generation needs an Oregon
| Trail type game for space travel.
| coumbaya wrote:
| Ah thanks, seems it got better at this one then ! I've tried
| the 2 other prompts with the latest but the space station I
| had only tried in v5.
| GaggiX wrote:
| You can train your own lora online,
| https://replicate.com/ostris/flux-dev-lora-trainer/train
|
| I think this is the most popular one right now online for Flux.
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| "Halo, Interior of a cylindrical space station habitat, upside
| down, fields, lakes, rivers, housing, rivers running around
| cylinder roof, Rick Guidice artwork, in space, stars visible
| through windows"
|
| https://cdn.midjourney.com/ed234782-ac5c-41d7-99e9-20ce122cd...
|
| They definitely struggle with getting the land moving up the
| wall and often it treats the cylinder like a window onto earth
| at ground level but I think with tweaking the weighting or
| order of terms and enough rolls of the dice you could get it.
| deisteve wrote:
| Haven't used Midjourney since Flux dropped
| GaggiX wrote:
| Flux seems to give the backgrounds even more detail and
| coherence compared to MJ, it's a surprisingly (or maybe not
| given its size) great model.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| where can we try/use? Is it just the obvious google result of
| https://getimg.ai/models/flux ?
| GaggiX wrote:
| Their Github repo provides some links if you want to try it
| online: https://github.com/black-forest-labs/flux
| nullandvoid wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYVucud3ptc has good coverage
| of running locally and via web (https://fal.ai/models)
| minimaxir wrote:
| Replicate, although not fully free, has the bonus of outputs
| from Flux (from their endpoints only) able to be used for
| commercial purposes whereas that is normally only applicable
| for Flux schnell:
|
| https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-dev
|
| https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-schnell
| vunderba wrote:
| Are you sure that's true?
|
| https://github.com/black-forest-
| labs/flux/blob/main/model_li...
|
| From the license: _" We claim no ownership rights in and to
| the Outputs. You are solely responsible for the Outputs you
| generate and their subsequent uses in accordance with this
| License. You may use Output for any purpose (including for
| commercial purposes), except as expressly prohibited
| herein. You may not use the Output to train, fine-tune or
| distill a model that is competitive with the FLUX.1 [dev]
| Model."_
|
| This license seems to indicate that the images from the dev
| model _CAN_ be used for commercial purposes outside of
| using those images to train derivative models. It would be
| a little weird to me that they 'd allow you to use FluxDev
| images for commercial purposes IF AND ONLY IF the model
| host was Replicate.
| mgiannopoulos wrote:
| Grok on Twitter Premium has Flux integrated.
| resource_waste wrote:
| MJ has always been this pixar-style-hyperfit SD variant. It
| almost seemed to just repeat google images but with gloss.
|
| Or at least a year ago it was like that.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| For a period I daily checked its best outputs page: the
| "pixar" style was frequent, but far from being the only one.
| "Typical" like 10 is the type (mode) in
| 10+9+9+8+8+7+7+6+6+5+5+4+4+3+3+2+2+1+1 - but still 10% of the
| whole and just one possibility of all.
|
| Midlibrary.io recognizes 5500 styles Midjourney knows.
| furyofantares wrote:
| Here's a project I did over a year ago in Midjourney where I
| took all art for the card game Spectromancer and re-themed
| each piece in 26 different styles
|
| https://kellydornhaus.github.io/Variations/
| paretoer wrote:
| That is the base style. You can get much different image
| qualities adding different types of film, cameras, etc to the
| prompt.
|
| With that said, I loved Midjourney a year ago but I am at the
| point I have seen enough AI art to last several lives.
|
| AI art reminds me of eating wasabi. It is absolutely amazing
| at first but I quickly get totally sick of it.
| weinzierl wrote:
| In iOS Safari I get Unable to process request
| due to missing initial state. This may happen if browser
| sessionStorage is inaccessible or accidentally cleared. Some
| specific scenarios are - 1) Using IDP-Initiated SAML SSO. 2)
| Using signInWithRedirect in a storage-partitioned browser
| environment.
|
| EDIT: I tried again from scratch in a new tab and this time it
| worked. So, temporary hiccup.
|
| EDIT2: I have all the images I created on Discord in the web app
| - very nice!
| SoftMachine wrote:
| Open to everyone, but you must have Google or Discord account.
| Has the definition of everyone changed?
| chipgap98 wrote:
| Anyone can sign up for one of those accounts. I don't really
| see why that would make this misleading
| handfuloflight wrote:
| Can everyone have a Google is Discord account?
| handfuloflight wrote:
| Can everyone have a Google or* Discord account?
| bhhaskin wrote:
| If your site or service only has social logins then it's a hard
| no from me.
| cabbageicefruit wrote:
| Open to everyone, but requires a computer. Has the definition
| of everyone changed?
| stemlord wrote:
| Equating participating in walled garden social platforms to
| simply having a computer is bleak
| cabbageicefruit wrote:
| Pretending that someone can't use your software because
| they don't want to create a login through your providers is
| idiotic.
| rajamaka wrote:
| Can you explain the difference between creating an
| anonymous google account with fake information compared to
| an anonymous midjourney account with fake information?
| stonogo wrote:
| Creating fake accounts violates Google's terms of
| service.
| latexr wrote:
| Google accounts require a phone number. How do you
| reliably fake that internationally without risking your
| money on some shady service?
| bufferoverflow wrote:
| Nonsense. Creating a throwaway account takes a couple of
| minutes.
|
| What a strangely deranged view of the world some people
| have.
| stemlord wrote:
| I truly thought the title meant they are no longer tied to
| discord. Excited me for a minute
| seoulmetro wrote:
| Yep. "Web experience" made me think there was an actual
| website experience. There still isn't a web experience and
| it's still not open to everyone. lol
| geor9e wrote:
| Touche. But it's certainly leagues more "everyone" today than
| it was yesterday. It used to require arcane knowledge of deep
| Discord server bot navigation. I gave up after 20 minutes and
| never figured it out. Today I tried it in seconds.
|
| I have about 40+ google accounts for reasons, so I don't begin
| to understand the aversion some have to registering a burner
| google/discord/facebook/etc account under their hampster's
| name, but many of my closest friends are just like you so I
| respect it anyway, whatever principle it is.
| contrarian1234 wrote:
| Where do you quickly get burner phone numbers for
| registration ?
| fragmede wrote:
| https://apps.apple.com/us/app/burner-second-phone-
| number/id5...
| latexr wrote:
| The reviews don't inspire any confidence.
| taude wrote:
| why do you need a phone number for a google account?
| latexr wrote:
| Because Google asks for it to let you register.
| taude wrote:
| Really? Wow. I have like 20 gmail accounts. I guess I got
| them before they started requiring phone numbers.
| latexr wrote:
| Do you use all 20 regularly? Because if you don't,
| there's a chance that next time you try to login to one
| of them on the web they'll ask you to add a phone number
| and not let you continue until you do. But if you have
| them setup in an email client, it should still work.
| latexr wrote:
| > I don't begin to understand the aversion some have to
| registering a burner google/discord/Facebook/etc
|
| Maybe because several of those tend to ask for phone
| verification nowadays, and phone burner services tend to
| either not work or look so shady it looks like a major gamble
| to give them any payment information?
| mintplant wrote:
| The splash screen locked up my fairly-recent Android phone. Like,
| I had to hard-reboot.
| weinzierl wrote:
| I only see a form field for _/ imagine_. How can I _/ describe_?
|
| The docs say to hover over the uploaded image or use the test
| tube icon from the sidebar, neither of which seem to be available
| on mobile.
| skar3 wrote:
| I nave the same problem
| smusamashah wrote:
| Ideogram 2.0 was also released today, and it's nerfed (anatomy is
| lot worse than 1.0 now) just like StableDiffusion versions after
| 1.5 which is very disappointing.
|
| Well good thing we have Flux out in the open now, both midjourney
| releasing web version or ideogram releasing there 2.0 on the same
| day after 2 weeks of flux won't redeem them as much. Flux Dev is
| amazing, check what SD community is doing with it on
| https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/ . It can do fine
| tuning, there are Loras now, even control net. It can gen casual
| photos like no other tool out there, you won't be able to tell
| they are AI without looking way too deep.
| arizen wrote:
| Are there any publicly accessible Flux image generation
| services you may recommend to check out?
| smusamashah wrote:
| There are a few.
|
| https://fastflux.ai/ for instant image gen using Schnell (but
| its fixed on 4 steps and is mainly a tech show off of
| inference engine by runware.ai)
|
| https://www.segmind.com/ has API support with lots of
| options, I am using it to generate and set wallpaper using an
| AHK script. It's very very slow though.
|
| https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-
| schnell/example...
|
| https://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-
| labs/FLUX.1-schne...
|
| https://getimg.ai/text-to-image
|
| There are other tools now if you Google 'Flux image generator
| online'
| stuffoverflow wrote:
| Huggingface has quite a few spaces with the base dev model as
| well as different variations of it.
|
| https://huggingface.co/spaces?sort=trending&search=dev
| e98cuenc wrote:
| Check out https://www.freepik.com/pikaso you can try flux and
| flux realism
| zone411 wrote:
| 90%+ of Flux image generations will be done through Grok.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| If you have a suitably powerful M-Mac or iOS device, you can
| run it locally using "Draw Things", which is free.
| ProfessorLayton wrote:
| Whoa, thanks for the tip!
| evilduck wrote:
| Just to clarify for other readers, Draw Things has support
| and provides download links to quants but no iOS device can
| run the full precision model which means you will get
| slightly different and usually lower quality output than
| stuff you may see elsewhere, even if you use the same
| settings. It's still damn impressive though.
| liuliu wrote:
| Quality issue should be mainly due to using FP16
| accmulators for GEMM in M1-M2, A14-A16 devices (it is not
| a problem for SD v1 / SDXL models due to smaller channel
| count). This is changed to FP32 accmulators for GEMM in
| these devices with 1.20240820.1 release. q8p should have
| comparable quality to non-quantized models (in Draw
| Things, it is called FLUX.1 [dev] (Exact)).
| evilduck wrote:
| Hey the creator! Thanks for all your hard work. Put in a
| tip feature so I can give you money.
| Der_Einzige wrote:
| Claims that quantization doesn't hurt models are made all
| the time but rely on the fact that almost all evaluations
| today of LLMs hardly scratch their surface. If we
| evaluated LLMs properly, even large quants would be
| detectably worse, and by a significant amount.
| Loranubi wrote:
| Not saying I disagree with you. But you don't present any
| evaluation results for your claim either.
| liuliu wrote:
| A model trained on BF16 that within the range of FP16
| have effective bit rate of 13-bit at max (e5m7).
| Reasonable quantization (at 8-bit) gets you weight error
| (i.e. L2 distance on weights) down to < 1e-3, and full
| diffusion run (30 steps) have result with L2 distance
| (comparing to unquantized) < 5e-2.
|
| I think there is a line somewhere between 4-bit to 8-bit
| that will hurt performance (for both diffusion models and
| LLM). But I doubt the line is between 8-bit to 13-bit.
|
| (Another case in point: you can use generic lossless
| compression to get model weights from 13bit down to 11bit
| by just zip exponent and mantissa separately, that
| suggests the effective bit rate is lower than 13bit on
| full-precision model).
| Der_Einzige wrote:
| I buy these kinds of arguments but the moment a company
| or NeurIPS researcher claims even a "tiny" bit of loss
| happens, I become suspicious. I don't buy most claims of
| "we get 99%+ of the performance" made in practice.
|
| But yes, I do believe that we will find proper lossless
| quants, and eventually (for real this time) get "only a
| little bit of loss" quants, but I don't think that the
| current 8 bits are there yet.
|
| Also, quantized models often have worse GPU utilization
| which harms tokens/s if you have the hardware capable to
| run the unquantized types. It seems to depend on the
| quant. SD models seem to get faster when quantized, but
| LLMs are often slower. Very weird.
| Dwedit wrote:
| Twitter's image generator is the pro version of Flux.
| paulcjh wrote:
| We're one of the Black Forest Labs partners, you can try the
| models here: https://www.mystic.ai/black-forest-labs
| vunderba wrote:
| While I won't say that realism is a solved problem, SD has been
| able to produce unbelievably realistic photo-level images using
| "Realism Engine"/NightVisionXL/etc for a while now.
|
| Flux's power isn't necessarily in its ability to produce
| realistic images, so much as its increased size gives it a FAR
| superior ability to more closely follow the prompt.
| crooked-v wrote:
| Also to 'understand' complicated prompts (however far that
| goes when talking image models). For example, describing two
| subjects in detail with a relationship between them ("a cat
| and a man and the cat is standing on the man's head and the
| cat has red hair and the man is wearing purple glasses")
| reliably works with Flux, even the 'light' models, but is a
| crapshoot with SD.
| smusamashah wrote:
| I hadn't seen Realism Engine, looks good. Check Boreal FD
| https://civitai.com/models/639937?modelVersionId=715729 for
| the kind of casual photography realism I was talking about. I
| don't remember seeing that quality with SD.
|
| Also see https://civitai.com/models/652699/amateur-
| photography-flux-d...
|
| and
|
| https://civitai.com/models/660731/35mm-photo-flux
| ethanpil wrote:
| Why are they getting worse?
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| People who don't use them are using their hobby of being
| offended to pressure the model makers to censor.
| Der_Einzige wrote:
| Because they don't like the fact that the majority of custom
| content for uncensored models is hardcore porn.
| user_7832 wrote:
| Which honestly is rather silly for the companies making the
| models. The cat's already out of the bag, and _if_ a
| competitor manages to make a similar /good-enough
| (uncensored) model there's nothing midjourney etc will have
| going for them.
|
| Or as someone once said, if they took porn off the
| internet, there'd only be one website left, and it'd be
| called "Bring Back the Porn!".
| iJohnDoe wrote:
| Was heavily using StableDiffusion a handful of months ago.
| Seemed like new achievements were being made all the time.
|
| What happened with 1.5 and newer? I'm out of the loop.
| smusamashah wrote:
| SD 1.5 was not censored. Later version were trained with the
| the censored data. A side of that was bad anatomy. Search for
| stable diffusion woman lying on grass. I think this was SD3.
| It generates monstrosities when you ask for a woman on grass.
|
| I liked ideogram's approach. It looked like their training
| data was not censored as much (it still didn't render
| privates). The generated images are checked are tested for
| nudity before presenting to user, if found, image is replaced
| by a placeholder.
|
| If you check SD reddit, community seems to have jumped ship
| to flux. It has great prompt adherence. You don't have to
| employ silly tricks to get what you want. Ideogram also has
| amazing prompt adherence.
| Filligree wrote:
| We did have SDXL in-between, and while that one was also
| censored, the censoring has been long since removed in
| fine-tunes.
|
| Flux is _also_ censored, but in a way that doesn 't usually
| break anatomy. It took about a week before people figured
| out how to start decensoring it.
| jrm4 wrote:
| Yes, I'm finding the "meh" here is expandable to most of the
| companies, and that's a great thing (e.g just got a $500 card and
| OpenHermes feels comparable to anything and it's running fully
| locally) I know there's often not a lot to be optimistic about,
| but the fact that so called "AI" is absolutely de-facto free/open
| source is perhaps just about the best way this stuff could roll
| out.
| sylware wrote:
| "Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone"...
|
| "Enable JavaScript and cookies to continue"...
| bloqs wrote:
| I can hear the 'coomers' posting with glee
| MrNeon wrote:
| MJ coomers? The same MJ that bans accounts for coomer content?
|
| Not sure that will change just because of a new frontend.
| tschellenbach wrote:
| I've been using it for a while and it's amazing :)
| jiggawatts wrote:
| It's just astonishing to me how difficult it still seems to be
| for the Midjourney team to develop a web site that amounts to
| little more than a textbox, a button, and an img tag.
|
| I tried their new web experience, and... it's just broken. It
| doesn't work. There's a showcase of other people's work, and
| that's it. I can't click the text-box, it's greyed out. It says
| "subscribe to start creating", but there's is _no "subscribe"
| button!_
|
| Mindblowing.
| wmf wrote:
| There's a theory that Midjourney didn't want to pay for image
| hosting (which they were getting for free from Discord).
| GaggiX wrote:
| Images has been available on their website for quite some
| time.
| jiggawatts wrote:
| That has got to be a rounding error in their finances in
| comparison to the GPU time required to _generate_ the images
| in the first place.
| vunderba wrote:
| That must have been a LOOONNG time ago, I've been a user of
| MJ since ~version 3 a couple years back - and I remember
| custom scraping my images way back in the day and they were
| coming from Google Cloud Storage, e.g.
|
| https://storage.googleapis.com/dream-machines-
| output/378f0f1...
| cma wrote:
| Seems to be a direct response to Black Forest Labs' Flux being
| offered on Twitter with a lot of uptake.
| kgraves wrote:
| I'm so glad that Midjourney and Flux is making creativity
| accessible to everyone, I don't need to have a subscription to MJ
| anymore now that Flux is getting better.
|
| Everybody can now be an artist and have creativity for free now.
|
| What a time to be alive.
| latexr wrote:
| Creativity has always been accessible to everyone. Creativity
| is a _concept_ which only requires imagination. Those ideas can
| take many forms, including writing, cooking, sewing, doing
| skateboard tricks... It doesn't mean rearranging pixels on
| screen by _vaguely_ describing something.
| quesomaster9000 wrote:
| And it still can't draw a spork yet [1]
|
| 1: https://canaidrawasporkyet.org/
| BryanLegend wrote:
| I don't see midjourney on that site.
| Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
| I asked DALL-E for a spork and it did it just fine.
|
| https://imgur.com/5bvBTcB
| GaggiX wrote:
| prompt: "spork", model: "NovelAI v3" (aka finetuned SDXL)
|
| https://ibb.co/nLMZfjY
| vunderba wrote:
| MJ can't do it, but took me 10 seconds genning locally on an
| SDXL checkpoint:
|
| https://gondolaprime.pw/pictures/sporks-generative.jpg
|
| It's a rather arbitrary metric. All it proves is that the token
| "spork" wasn't in midjourney's training data. _A FAR better
| test for adherence is how well a model does when a detailed
| description for an untrained concept is provided as the
| prompt._
| quesomaster9000 wrote:
| Yup it's an arbitrary metric, but I tried cajoling various
| image models into generating spork pictures with highly
| detailed descriptions (I have ComfyUI & AUTOMATIC1111
| locally, and many models), which lead to me creating the
| site.
|
| I'd say a better test for adherence is how well a model does
| when the detailed description falls in between two very well
| known concepts - it's kinda like those pictures from the
| 1500s of exotic animals seen by explorers drawn by people
| using only the field notes after a long voyage back.
| vunderba wrote:
| Here's a test against the full Flux Dev model where we try
| to describe the physical appearance of a spork without
| referencing it by name.
|
| _Prompt: A hybrid kitchen utensil that looks like a spoon
| with small tine prongs of a fork made of metal, realistic
| photo_
|
| https://gondolaprime.pw/pictures/flux-spork-like.jpg
|
| The combination of T5 / clip coupled with a much larger
| model means there's less need to rely on custom LoRAs for
| unfamiliar concepts which is awesome.
|
| EDIT: If you've got the GPU for it, I'd recommend
| downloading a copy of the latest version of the SD-WEBUI
| Forge repo along with the _DEV_ checkpoint of Flux (not
| schnell). It 's super impressive and I get an iteration
| speed of roughly 15 seconds per 1024x1024 image.
| vunderba wrote:
| Welll.... there's a hundred ways we could measure prompt
| adherence everything from:
|
| - Descriptive -> describing a difficult concept that is
| most certainly _NOT_ in the training data
|
| - Hybrids -> fusions of familiar concepts
|
| - Platonic overrides -> this is my phrase for attempting to
| see how well you can _OVERRIDE_ very emphasized training
| data. For example, a zebra with horizontal stripes.
|
| etc. etc.
| gedy wrote:
| Haha, I thought it was just me. I was trying to generate a
| spork for a silly card game and was really frustrated/confused
| about what the issue was.
| vunderba wrote:
| Ever since DALL-E 3 completely eclipsed Midjourney in terms of
| Prompt _ADHERENCE_ (albeit not quality), I 've had very little
| reason to make use of it. However, in my testing of Flux Dev, I
| can gen images in roughly 15 seconds in Forge, throw those at a
| SDXL model such as Dreamshaper in the form of a controlnet and
| get the best of both worlds, high detail and adherent.
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| Dall-E 3 (intentionally) leans away from realism though but in
| doing so what it leans into is a very tacky and aesthetically
| naive although competently executed type of image. Gives every
| image the feeling that you're seeing a bootleg version of a
| genuine thing and therefore makes everything else it touches
| feel tacky.
|
| Same feeling you get looking at the airbrushed art on a state
| fairground ride.
| bambax wrote:
| In 15 seconds? Really? On my machine with good specs and a 4090
| flux-dev takes around 400 seconds for 512x512! And flux-schnell
| at least half. Do you recommend a tutorial for optimization?
| chenglou wrote:
| Website contributor here! Answering some of the technical
| questions on Twitter:
| https://x.com/_chenglou/status/1826425720522080480
| bilekas wrote:
| Why do I need a Gmail or Discord account to register ?
| seattleeng wrote:
| Its cool but this feels really late. I just use Ideogram now. The
| social features are nice
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