[HN Gopher] The secret lives of snowblowers
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       The secret lives of snowblowers
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 100 points
       Date   : 2024-08-17 18:32 UTC (4 days ago)
        
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       | echelon_musk wrote:
       | I immediately recalled this scene from Short Circuit:
       | 
       | https://youtube.com/watch?v=XLn38HQNSYo
        
       | MisterTea wrote:
       | I once broke a shear pin after a length of old sump pump
       | discharge hose buried under a snow pile became entangled in the
       | auger blades. The spare shear pins were missing, so I figured I'd
       | take a cheap steel 1/4-20 bolt and grind it down until its just
       | about a 1/16 of an inch diameter at the point where the auger
       | tube and drive shaft meet. It did not work as the following snow
       | fall I hit a rock and the damn thing jumped violently and I let
       | go of the drive clutch which prevented it from completely self
       | destructing. The auger tube hole was gouged from the screw on
       | both sides, the screw bent into a Z shape and the housing was
       | slightly bent askew. After some reforming in my shop it was
       | working fine again and still runs to this day. That Craftsman 5HP
       | blower has taken a hell of a beating, is in rough shape but still
       | runs. I keep wanting to up the HP a bit but its seen enough
       | abuse.
       | 
       | Pro tip: always winterize the engine to keep it running for
       | years. Drain the fuel completely, and drain the carburetor bowl.
       | Pull the spark plug and put a cap full of motor oil in the
       | cylinder and gently turn the engine over by hand using the pull
       | cord to coat the walls. Also helps to tape over the exhaust and
       | stuff the intake port with steel wool to keep critters out of the
       | passages. I once had a generator suddenly stop working and upon
       | pulling the plug found a dead spider across the electrodes which
       | shorted it.
        
         | dgfitz wrote:
         | I'm sure you're tracking: but those shear pins shear for a
         | reason. :)
        
           | floatrock wrote:
           | In a pinch, you can just put a quarter across your fuse
           | terminals if your fuses keep popping for some reason!
        
             | SteveNuts wrote:
             | I like to use old .22 bullets, they fit perfectly!
        
         | AtlasBarfed wrote:
         | Or buy an electric one.
         | 
         | The entire array of two stroke lawn tools are obsolete with
         | electric batteries and electric motors that are more compact,
         | higher torque, quiter, and far less polluting.
         | 
         | Soon, they will be cheaper. Unfortunately EV based tools
         | slotted in the luxury upscale segment, abut vastly declining
         | battery costs still haven't trickled down to the consumer.
         | 
         | High density lfp and sodium ion and solid state should change
         | this.
         | 
         | The other crappy thing is that the tools use their differing
         | shapes and molds to lock in you to a single line of tools., so
         | you can reuse batteries across tools only of the same maker
         | (which enables you to have a second set of freshly charged
         | batteries when the primary drains, and you can charge the
         | battery will hold you use the second set)
         | 
         | Emer really need formalized standards to force battery
         | companies to use an interchangeable standard like disposable
         | batteries, electric plugs, railroad rails, etc
         | 
         | ...and while they're at it, please force the plastic tote
         | business to use a standard lid
        
           | floatrock wrote:
           | Electric lawnmowers and leafblowers are great, but everyone I
           | know who's tried a (battery) electric snowblower complains
           | it's either underpowered for anything more than a dusting or
           | it burns out after a season.
           | 
           | All for electrifying all the things and getting rid of as
           | many polluting two-stroke engines as possible, but heavy wet
           | snow seems to be one place where the energy density of
           | gasoline is the right tool for the job.
        
             | mikepurvis wrote:
             | Even electric lawnmowers can be a bit underwhelming power-
             | wise. I share one with a few neighbours and it works well
             | enough for our small downtown yards, but I would be pretty
             | annoyed with it if I was trying to do a job any longer than
             | about 30 minutes.
        
             | hunter-gatherer wrote:
             | I don't know... I watched my grandpa hand shovel heavy wet
             | snow until the year he died. If we really care about
             | polution, we'd just buck up and use a hand shovel.
        
               | apercu wrote:
               | I have a diesel tractor and a 4WD vehicle. But I'd argue
               | my carbon footprint is a hell of a lot smaller than most
               | Americans (unless they live in a city, take public
               | transport, don't own a car and don't travel by air
               | often).
               | 
               | I don't leave the house much, haven't driven to work for
               | over 10 years, have planted thousands of native
               | perennials and trees over the years, and seeded acres of
               | native prairie.....
               | 
               | I agree with you, mostly, but life is nuanced.
        
             | vundercind wrote:
             | We have and love a battery electric trimmer and push mower.
             | They're great. Way better than gas, and better than
             | wrangling a cord.
             | 
             | We were gifted a battery snowblower. It basically doesn't
             | work. Maybe there are better ones that do, but this thing
             | was not fit for purpose at all.
        
             | wffurr wrote:
             | Mine works great for my Boston sidewalk.
             | 
             | Give battery tech a few more years on its growth curve and
             | it'll handle your 300ft driveway no problem.
        
           | brk wrote:
           | Other than very small engines most snowblowers and mowers are
           | 4 stroke engines.
           | 
           | My last snowblower was 11.5HP, and it could take 90 minutes
           | to clear everything after a decent snow. A battery approach
           | wouldn't be feasible at this point.
        
             | vundercind wrote:
             | When one considers the difference in human effort between
             | mowing a lawn with an old-school cylinder-of-blades push
             | mower with no power at all, and of shoveling a driveway of
             | snow as far as a snowblower throws it... it becomes obvious
             | one task requires way, _way_ more energy than the other.
        
           | nsxwolf wrote:
           | In the winter I have a driveway and 300 feet of sidewalk I
           | have to clear, sometimes twice a day. Assuming any products
           | on the market can even handle the job, I wouldn't want to
           | have to manage the charging situation for my use case.
           | Pouring in more gas is so much easier than realizing you
           | forgot to charge the backup battery. And I don't even want to
           | know what that would cost.
        
           | nemo44x wrote:
           | Snowblowers are 4 stroke engines today, I'm not even sure
           | anyone makes a 2-stroke machine. And they certainly aren't
           | obsolete. An electric one is fine if you have a bit of light
           | powder but no good if you're moving a lot of deep, heavy snow
           | off a decent amount of square footage. And don't buy a gas
           | blower than isn't at least 2 stages.
           | 
           | I don't doubt the future will make them comparable and lower
           | in cost but I wouldn't buy one today.
        
           | dboreham wrote:
           | Hmm. I have three snowblowers. The smallest is electric, and
           | it's the largest electric snowblower I could find. I use it
           | to move snow off our wooden decks and to be honest it works
           | extremely well for that purpose. It's light (when batteries
           | removed) so can be lifted easily between deck sections, and
           | it's sufficiently powerful to throw snow 10ft or so off the
           | deck.
           | 
           | The larger ones don't yet have an electric option available.
        
           | czbond wrote:
           | I use a corded snowblower and lawnmower. While not the best
           | user experience over batteries, I know they always work and
           | require little maintenance.
        
           | cpwright wrote:
           | My snowblower is 283lbs with a 10hp engine. It takes about
           | 30-45 minutes to do my 3000sf driveway for a normal snow.
           | Adding the weight and expense of batteries is something I'm
           | not at all interested in.
           | 
           | Not all manufacturers have big batteries for power tools, but
           | the ones that do like the MX fuel that is used to run
           | concrete tools have prices that are >$500.
           | 
           | You can't just recharge the battery overnight like you can in
           | your car if it run out; you need to have the machine running
           | to get out of the house - and filling it up with gas is just
           | a couple minutes charging is going to take much longer.
           | 
           | Even the smaller machine that I had before was 8hp (but had
           | wheels instead of tracks) and weighed 150lbs.
        
           | apercu wrote:
           | I have a pretty robust electric chainsaw, but it's not great
           | for hardwoods at all. Of course, I have 5 chainsaws so maybe
           | I'm not the one to take advice from, I might have a problem
           | ;)
           | 
           | For leaf blowers and weed trimmers I agree.
        
             | KarlKode wrote:
             | Same for leaf blowers. I worked on a farm in the Swiss
             | mountains where we used large Stihl leaf blowers to get the
             | hay down the mountain [1] so we could pick it up by machine
             | and electric leaf blowers were only used for cleanup jobs
             | in the barn. Nowadays I live in the city but I still get
             | sweaty flashbacks whenever I hear a gas leaf blower during
             | the summer months.
             | 
             | [1]: Similar to https://youtu.be/Rni8F0GFjW4?t=145 but just
             | imagine the mountains/rolls of hay to be 2m high and the
             | slope be >45degs
        
           | IncreasePosts wrote:
           | The battery situation isn't as odious when you realize you
           | can get third-party batteries compatible with ryobi,
           | milwaukee, etc on Amazon for about 25% of the list price of
           | the first party brand battery.
        
           | Loudergood wrote:
           | I bought the Ego 2 stage one 2 years ago and it has really
           | surpassed my expectations. I get about an hour of run time
           | with 2 7.5Ah batteries with 6" of wet snow if I'm not going
           | full ham with the chute speed(who really needs to throw the
           | snow 50ft anyway.)
        
         | nsxwolf wrote:
         | I initially didn't take the "drain the fuel" advice when I got
         | my snowblower, because I never did it for my lawnmower and it
         | was fine year after year.
         | 
         | And in its second season, it utterly failed to start. My friend
         | gave me a tip to drain the fuel and put some fresh gas with a
         | little jet fuel in it, and it started immediately.
        
           | nemo44x wrote:
           | You can always stabilize your fuel too and it will last into
           | the next season. However, depending on your climate it may be
           | worth it to just buy cans of fuel at the hardware store. It's
           | much higher quality than what you'll get at a gas station and
           | doesn't contain additives, which are very problematic for
           | carburetors when left in the tank until the next season. It
           | cost more but if you're not blowing snow too often you
           | probably won't even notice the cost. They also come in
           | smaller cans so you can store nicely if needed.
        
             | SkyPuncher wrote:
             | I only use the high quality hardware store stuff now. I
             | simply don't run my snowblower enough for the price
             | difference to be meaningful.
        
               | nemo44x wrote:
               | It's noticeably better. The engine timing is so good with
               | it compared to the gas station stuff meant for fuel
               | injected automobile engines. Higher octane and
               | compression I believe and the snowblower engine just hums
               | and burns clean.
        
               | dalyons wrote:
               | Huh. I had the opposite experience, bought some canned
               | hardware store fuel for my snowblower out of laziness,
               | and it wouldn't even run. Seemed to be too high octane or
               | something, kept stalling out. Had to drain it completely,
               | put regular gas in and it's fine.
        
             | bigstrat2003 wrote:
             | Yeah, back when I lived in Wisconsin I would put fuel
             | stabilizer in and I didn't have issues. I would highly
             | recommend that over draining the fuel, which just sounds
             | like a pain in the ass.
        
               | nemo44x wrote:
               | Easiest way is to just let the machine run until it's out
               | of fuel. I put a vice grips on the throttle.
        
             | dmckeon wrote:
             | One problematic additive is ethanol, often found as 10% of
             | gas pump fuel volume. Ethanol absorbs water vapor from the
             | air, then settles to the bottom of the gas tank or carb
             | bowl, and corrosion or deposits may ensue. Drain tank & run
             | engine until carb is dry, or use canned fuel, or add
             | stabilizer like SeaFoam and fill tank to the very top.
             | Ethanol-free fuel is available, but may be hard to find,
             | see: https://www.pure-gas.org/
        
           | mauvehaus wrote:
           | I'm torn. I bought a used pressure washer that had been
           | drained before storage. The carb bowl gasket and foot valve
           | packing were all dried up and the carb was full of schmutz
           | from the remaining gas and corrosion from water that had made
           | its way in.
           | 
           | I'm recently leaning towards fuel stabilizer and leaving the
           | tank full to ensure as little air space as possible for water
           | to get in. At least for seasonal storage. Not sure about
           | long-term storage since even stabilized fuel is supposedly
           | only good for two years.
        
         | germinalphrase wrote:
         | Yes, I made the mistake of failing to winterize and now I've
         | got a tune up job on my hands. Got any good advice there?
        
           | analog31 wrote:
           | The thing I have had to do every winter is drop the
           | carburetor bowl and spray carb cleaner up through the Jets.
           | This means draining the gas into something, which I pre empt
           | by draining it in the spring. Also this year I left the carb
           | bowl off of it. And use the gas in the mower so you can start
           | with fresh gas come winter.
        
         | dugmartin wrote:
         | Good tip about blocking the intake/exhaust (I'll do that this
         | year). I normally just hand pump out the gas until there is
         | just a little left and then start it up and let it run dry. I
         | then do an oil change and tape a note over the oil plug that I
         | did the oil change as otherwise I'll not remember the next
         | Winter.
        
       | itsanaccount wrote:
       | Moved to Western Michigan a few years back. I got the tractor for
       | the quarter mile drive in case things get real bad but I'll tell
       | you my strategy of "don't buy a complicated snow blower, wait for
       | it to melt" has so far worked out well.
       | 
       | If you're close to any body that averages out temperatures (Lake
       | Michigan, swamps), it melts. People have no idea how fast global
       | warming is happening.
        
         | pragma_x wrote:
         | It never even occurred to me that the "lake effect" would work
         | in the opposite direction. Water's ability to retain heat is
         | really amazing.
         | 
         | > People have no idea how fast global warming is happening.
         | 
         | For people that live near the Great Lakes, you may have
         | stumbled onto a very compelling bit of evidence. For many,
         | "rising ocean temperatures" is a whole world away. Whereas this
         | kind of phenomenon is much easier to grasp.
        
         | apercu wrote:
         | SW Wisconsin. 7% grade, 300 foot driveway that is exposed to
         | North winds. We had a (walking) snowblower and I used that for
         | the first winter. It sucked.
         | 
         | With the hill, waiting for a melt isn't possible - there's no
         | way to keep control of a car going down that hill, and at the
         | base of the drive across the narrow road is a line of mature
         | pines. We got very little snow last winter, but what snow we
         | did mostly came in a two week window and it was multiple feet
         | of heavy snow.
         | 
         | Subcompact diesel tractor with a snowpusher (not a plow).
         | Driveway takes no time, and I use the bucket and forklift forks
         | all the time. I have a mower deck but I use a little cub cadet
         | instead as the tractor (especially with liquid in the back
         | tires) is kinda heavy for a "lawn". (I have very little lawn,
         | converted the front 3/4 acre to mostly prairie), but I still
         | have to mow some.
         | 
         | Every situation is different.
        
         | LeifCarrotson wrote:
         | Welcome! I've been here my entire life. That strategy has
         | worked for the past several years, but it wouldn't have worked
         | when I was a kid.
         | 
         | The average number of days with snow on the ground has been
         | decreasing by about 5 days per decade since I was a kid:
         | 
         | https://glisa.umich.edu/resources-tools/climate-impacts/prec...
         | 
         | In the 70s, we had about 75 days each winter with more than an
         | inch of snow left on the ground. Last winter, we had barely 20
         | (El Nino made it extremely warm) but the average over the past
         | decade is currently about 45. It snowed a few times, but always
         | melted shortly thereafter. That's a new trend.
         | 
         | I recently got a 36" HDPE blade shovel and will just walk my
         | 400ft driveway for 4 or 5 passes in each direction, holding the
         | shovel at an angle so the snow rolls off to the right like a
         | snowplow - it's really slick (pun intended) and way easier than
         | the old scoop-and-throw technique when there's less than an
         | inch on the ground. Once a month, I have to start up the
         | snowblower and clear a heavy storm and cut back the banks left
         | by the shovel, but those are rare. If you just expose a bit of
         | pavement, the whole thing is likely to melt in a couple days.
        
       | mauvehaus wrote:
       | This is your friendly reminder to never clear a jammed snow
       | blower with your hands (or any other part of your body).
       | 
       | Even with the engine stopped, there can be enough energy stored
       | in the drivetrain to make a mess of your fingers when it's
       | suddenly released.
       | 
       | This reminder is brought to you by the guy I knew who had two
       | deformed fingers from two different snow blower jam-clearing
       | incidents.
        
         | mikestew wrote:
         | _Two_ separate incidents? Some people really _don't_ learn,
         | huh?
        
           | shwaj wrote:
           | He didn't do it a third time.
        
             | immibis wrote:
             | No hands left.
        
       | teslabox wrote:
       | I picked up a Honda snowblower for my dad's house this past
       | winter. He shares a non-maintained road with his neighbors, and
       | for the past few years I've helped them with shoveling. Dad
       | always tried to do his part with clearing the snow, but wasn't
       | able to shovel this year, so he opened his wallet.
       | 
       | In February I got a call from the snowblower shop that their
       | first shipment of wheeled snowblowers had arrived. If I wanted to
       | wait they were supposed to be getting a shipment with tracks. I
       | measured the percent grade of our driveways and roads and decided
       | we needed the tracked version.
       | 
       | Our snowblower arrived two days before a pair of back-to-back
       | storms that dumped almost 2 feet of wet, heavy snow. It's a game
       | changer. I asked the one neighbor, who'd said previously "the
       | only snowblower I'd buy is a Honda" [1], what he thought as he
       | was plodding along behind the new snowblower : "You didn't cheap
       | out, and it's the right tool for the job."
       | 
       | The other neighbor was out shoveling around their car, to
       | hopefully be able to get out for her daughter-in-law's surgery.
       | We blasted through the steep part of her driveway. I got a text
       | message that night: 'where did you get that thing?'
       | 
       | The advantage of Honda's tracked snowblower over their wheeled
       | version is that there's a lever-operated piston that adjusts the
       | height, while the wheeled version has no adjustment.
       | 
       | Over those two storms, we probably would have spent at least 12
       | hours shoveling (breaks included). The snowblower cleared the
       | road in an hour.
       | 
       | As someone says below, it's important to drain the gasoline at
       | the end of the winter, so it doesn't gum up over the summer. Even
       | if there was a battery-powered two-stage snowblower, why would
       | anyone get one? It'd be a waste of lithium.
       | 
       | Edit: When my mom & her husband moved to Flagstaff, their first
       | two-stage snowblower was whatever Costco had for sale that
       | winter. It worked for a few years, then threw a rod through the
       | block on a particularly heavy storm. He returned the unit to
       | Costco, read up on snowblowers, bought himself a big Ariens, and
       | was completely happy with it.
       | 
       |  _His_ Ariens used a motor from Tecumseh. Tecumseh went bankrupt
       | around 2008 and got split up [2]. Somewhere I read that Tecumseh
       | 's engine manufacturing was relocated to China, and that all the
       | post-2009 Ariens use Chinese engines. Someone said the Chinese
       | Tecumseh engines aren't so bad, because they got all the IP about
       | how to make them properly. Or maybe Tecumseh's engine design was
       | obsolete, needed to be redesigned to comply with emission
       | regulations, and the new Chinese Tecumseh engines are better. ???
       | 
       | Harbor Freight sells knock-off Honda engines, as their Predator
       | engines. There are some youtube videos that compare genuine Honda
       | engines to the knock-offs.
       | 
       | Edit2: Found some forum posts that tells of how Honda's approach
       | to manufacturing engines has changed over the years [3].
       | 
       | [1] https://powerequipment.honda.com/snowblowers /
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/HondaSnowblowers/
       | 
       | [2]
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecumseh_Products#Gasoline_eng... /
       | https://www.snowblowerforum.com/threads/made-in-the-usa-vers...
       | 
       | [3] https://www.snowblowerforum.com/posts/1733694/ /
       | https://www.snowblowerforum.com/posts/1733738/
        
         | fatnoah wrote:
         | > It's a game changer. I asked the one neighbor, who'd said
         | previously "the only snowblower I'd buy is a Honda" [1]
         | 
         | My brother in law's family business is small engine sales and
         | maintenance. This is his position as well (and now mine, after
         | having a Honda snowblower for a few years).
        
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