[HN Gopher] Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone
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Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone
Author : meetpateltech
Score : 167 points
Date : 2024-08-21 17:11 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.midjourney.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.midjourney.com)
| meetpateltech wrote:
| > The Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone. We're
| also temporarily turning on free trials to let you check it out.
| Have fun!
|
| https://x.com/midjourney/status/1826305298560418171
| pizzathyme wrote:
| This is a _interesting_ company to watch in the Gen AI space
| since they don 't have all the same restrictions as the bigger
| companies.
|
| Crazy this took them so long, and also crazy that they got so far
| through a very confusing Discord experience.
| paxys wrote:
| Crazier still that they have been able to achieve what they
| have with zero external funding.
| golergka wrote:
| Using discord is a great way to focus on what's important and
| get not great, but good enough ux and community tools basically
| for free.
| derefr wrote:
| That and you get user observability for free, and support
| injection in a way that to this day there's no good way to do
| in an "app" experience.
|
| Presuming your bot requires people to interact with it in
| public channels, your CSRs can then just sit in those
| channels watching people using the bot, and step in if
| they're struggling. It's a far more impactful way to leverage
| support staff than sticking a support interface on your
| website and hoping people will reach out through it.
|
| It's actually akin to the benefit of a physically-situated
| product demo experience, e.g. the product tables at an Apple
| Store.
|
| And, also like an Apple Store, customers can also watch what
| _one-another_ are doing /attempting, and so can both learn
| from one another, and act as informal support for one-
| another.
| smusamashah wrote:
| What do you mean by no restrictions? My account was flagged and
| under review after using two bold prompts.
| matsemann wrote:
| The _company_ doesn 't have the same restrictions. They're
| not talking about the ai model.
| rambojohnson wrote:
| what do you mean they don't have restrictions?
| matsemann wrote:
| Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc all have to shoehorn these
| things into their products to stay on top, but it's not their
| core business and they don't want it to take away from their
| ads or licenses they sell. Midjourney as a company is much
| freer to innovate without the burden of the restrictions of
| an established company.
| seatac76 wrote:
| Try creating something mocking Xi Jinping.
| thot_experiment wrote:
| wait really? i'm not gonna sign up for midjourney but it's
| surprising to me that this would be restricted
| yas_hmaheshwari wrote:
| Haha, that was the craziest part about signing on midjourney,
| when you have to sign up via Discord
|
| I don't use Discord on my office laptop, and that was very odd
| experience
| xwowsersx wrote:
| What was the confusing Discord experience? Was it that Discord
| was the main way to access Midjourney, and it was chaotic? I
| vaguely remember this, but didn't spend much time there.
| k8sToGo wrote:
| Looks like I still need a discord or a google account and can't
| just use regular email?
| layer8 wrote:
| Yes, unfortunately. That's a no-go for me.
| kxrm wrote:
| I feel like this is an old man yells at cloud moment but I
| refuse to link social media or google accounts with other
| services.
|
| Why should Google's or Discord's policy dictate my
| participation in the web?
| qclibre22 wrote:
| So google will rank them higher in search results?
| layer8 wrote:
| They probably don't want to deal with email registration
| workflows and want to limit themselves to OAuth, but that's
| not user/customer-friendly.
| mark242 wrote:
| Because the alternative is pretty provably worse for you,
| and for them.
|
| * You have to save your (hopefully unique!) email/password
| in a password manager which is effectively contradictory to
| your "I won't use a cloud service" argument.
|
| * The company needs to build out a whole email/password
| authentication flow, including forgetting your password,
| resetting your password, hints, rate limiting, etc etc, all
| things that Google/Apple have entire dedicated engineering
| teams tackling; alternatively, there are solid drop-in
| OAuth libraries for every major language out there.
|
| * Most people do not want to manage passwords and so take
| the absolute lazy route of reusing their passwords across
| all kinds of services. This winds up with breached accounts
| because Joe Smith decided to use his LinkedIn
| email/password on Midjourney.
|
| * People have multiple email addresses and as a result wind
| up forgetting which email address/password they used for a
| given site.
|
| Auth is the number one customer service problem on almost
| any service out there. When you look at the sheer number of
| tickets, auth failures and handholding always dominate time
| spent helping customers, and it isn't close. If Midjourney
| alienates 1 potential customer out of 100, but the other 99
| have an easier sign-in experience and don't have to worry
| about any of the above, that is an absolute win.
| mikae1 wrote:
| _> People have multiple email addresses and as a result
| wind up forgetting which email address /password they
| used for a given site._
|
| Effectively you mean that people have multiple Google
| accounts?
| kxrm wrote:
| All very thoughtful arguments but I think this solution
| to these problems is flawed. I don't believe we should be
| solving authentication management problems by handing
| over all authentication capabilities and responsibilities
| to one or two mega companies.
|
| Especially since those companies can wield this enormous
| power by removing my access to this service because I may
| or may not have violated a policy unrelated to this
| service.
|
| There has to be a better way.
| skybrian wrote:
| There is: passkeys and alternative password managers.
| rurp wrote:
| You make it sound untenable to support email/password
| auth, but given that the vast majority of low tech and
| high tech online services manage it just fine, I think
| you might be exaggerating a bit. Since Midjourney is
| already outsourcing their auth flow, they could just as
| easily use a third party that supports the most common
| form of account creation.
| stuffoverflow wrote:
| Why not just make another google account that you solely
| use for registration in services like these? Use a virtual
| machine with VPN if you really do not want it to be linked
| with your real account.
|
| It is a bit of extra work but that's just how it is
| nowadays.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Does not google require a telephone number to create
| accounts nowadays? In some regions there are no anonymous
| SIM cards by law. (Temporary number services may not work
| well.)
| KolmogorovComp wrote:
| Midjourney is a paid-only service anyway, you would need
| to enter your credit card, so no anonymity.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| There do exist anonymous credit cards, paid with cash,
| for fixed relatively small amounts (e.g. ~100u. In Europe
| there are restrictions to these kind of payment methods -
| cards must be below, I believe, 150EUR).
| layer8 wrote:
| The issue is you have to disclose your phone number to
| Google, not (just) to Midjourney, AND Google will know
| you use Midjourney.
|
| There's too much unnecessary connected PII data generated
| by such mechanisms.
| kxrm wrote:
| I am pretty sure that if any account I own at Google is
| caught violating policy, all other accounts are subject
| to being disabled.
| nottorp wrote:
| I think the only way to make a google account without a
| phone number these days is to factory reset an android
| phone and take the sim out beforehand.
|
| If that even still works...
| skybrian wrote:
| Yeah, they should add Github support.
| mrweasel wrote:
| While I understand that they might need some account or token
| to stop abuse, just having my sign in is a big no for anything
| I just want to try out. After the whole social media trend more
| or less collapsed into a privacy invading data collection
| nightmare, I've been extremely reluctant to sign up for
| anything.
| ffsm8 wrote:
| You honestly think giving full, no rate limited free access
| is viable in the LLM space, where each execution is actually
| pretty expensive?
|
| Because that's what you're asking for, as it'd be trivial to
| reset the rate without accounts.
| Jack5500 wrote:
| What the really need is user management, so big corps can adopt
| it. Currently with the user self-service it's a no-go.
| danielbln wrote:
| For a company workshop I wanted to pay for Midjourney to invite
| a bot into a private Discord with the workshop participants. We
| couldn't find a way of using it as a company account, and
| ultimately every participant had to get a sub, which was less
| than ideal. If it was today I would have them use Flux in some
| hosted version.
| xnorswap wrote:
| I have to say I'm very impressed. I've previously used free
| generators for generating scenery for my D&D campaign, and
| running a prompt here that previously took me dozens of tweaks to
| get something reasonable, instantly returned me a set of high
| quality images, at least one of which was much closer to my
| mind's eye than anything in those dozens of previous attempts.
|
| ( Prompting: An iron-gated door, set into a light stone arch, all
| deep set into the side of a gentle hill, as if the entrance to a
| forgotten crypt. The hill is lightly wooded, there is foliage in
| season. It is early evening. --v 6.1 )
|
| And result:
| https://cdn.midjourney.com/5b56f713-3d64-471f-8c3c-08a0247e6...
|
| The style matches exactly what I'd want too, it's captured
| "Fantasy RP book illustration" extremely well, despite that not
| being in the prompt!
| skybrian wrote:
| Midjourney's "house style" leans towards fantasy by default.
| coumbaya wrote:
| Flux, latest Midjourney, or even dall-e... I'm still disappointed
| that 3 of my sci-fi prompts never works (interior of an O'Neill
| Cylinder, Space elevator, rotating space station). I hope someone
| makes lora of those one day.
| xnorswap wrote:
| What prompts are you using for the space station? I think it
| pretty much nails it after some prompt tweaking.
|
| First attempt:
|
| https://cdn.midjourney.com/686f364f-188f-4065-813f-b45d21972...
|
| Tweaking to specify spokes around the central axis:
|
| https://cdn.midjourney.com/d18d3ad3-3fd0-461e-a3a8-5fc46f0ba...
| iwontberude wrote:
| Space Wagon Wheel
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| This makes me think the next generation needs an Oregon
| Trail type game for space travel.
| coumbaya wrote:
| Ah thanks, seems it got better at this one then ! I've tried
| the 2 other prompts with the latest but the space station I
| had only tried in v5.
| GaggiX wrote:
| You can train your own lora online,
| https://replicate.com/ostris/flux-dev-lora-trainer/train
|
| I think this is the most popular one right now online for Flux.
| deisteve wrote:
| Haven't used Midjourney since Flux dropped
| GaggiX wrote:
| Flux seems to give the backgrounds even more detail and
| coherence compared to MJ, it's a surprisingly (or maybe not
| given its size) great model.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| where can we try/use? Is it just the obvious google result of
| https://getimg.ai/models/flux ?
| GaggiX wrote:
| Their Github repo provides some links if you want to try it
| online: https://github.com/black-forest-labs/flux
| nullandvoid wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYVucud3ptc has good coverage
| of running locally and via web (https://fal.ai/models)
| minimaxir wrote:
| Replicate, although not fully free, has the bonus of outputs
| from Flux (from their endpoints only) able to be used for
| commercial purposes whereas that is normally only applicable
| for Flux schnell:
|
| https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-dev
|
| https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-schnell
| mgiannopoulos wrote:
| Grok on Twitter Premium has Flux integrated.
| resource_waste wrote:
| MJ has always been this pixar-style-hyperfit SD variant. It
| almost seemed to just repeat google images but with gloss.
|
| Or at least a year ago it was like that.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| For a period I daily checked its best outputs page: the
| "pixar" style was frequent, but far from being the only one.
| "Typical" like 10 is the type (mode) in
| 10+9+9+8+8+7+7+6+6+5+5+4+4+3+3+2+2+1+1 - but still 10% of the
| whole and just one possibility of all.
|
| Midlibrary.io recognizes 5500 styles Midjourney knows.
| weinzierl wrote:
| In iOS Safari I get Unable to process request
| due to missing initial state. This may happen if browser
| sessionStorage is inaccessible or accidentally cleared. Some
| specific scenarios are - 1) Using IDP-Initiated SAML SSO. 2)
| Using signInWithRedirect in a storage-partitioned browser
| environment.
|
| EDIT: I tried again from scratch in a new tab and this time it
| worked. So, temporary hiccup.
|
| EDIT2: I have all the images I created on Discord in the web app
| - very nice!
| SoftMachine wrote:
| Open to everyone, but you must have Google or Discord account.
| Has the definition of everyone changed?
| chipgap98 wrote:
| Anyone can sign up for one of those accounts. I don't really
| see why that would make this misleading
| handfuloflight wrote:
| Can everyone have a Google is Discord account?
| mintplant wrote:
| The splash screen locked up my fairly-recent Android phone. Like,
| I had to hard-reboot.
| weinzierl wrote:
| I only see a form field for _/ imagine_. How can I _/ describe_?
|
| The docs say to hover over the uploaded image or use the test
| tube icon from the sidebar, neither of which seem to be available
| on mobile.
| skar3 wrote:
| I nave the same problem
| smusamashah wrote:
| Ideogram 2.0 was also released today, and it's nerfed (anatomy is
| lot worse than 1.0 now) just like StableDiffusion versions after
| 1.5 which is very disappointing.
|
| Well good thing we have Flux out in the open now, both midjourney
| releasing web version or ideogram releasing there 2.0 on the same
| day after 2 weeks of flux won't redeem them as much. Flux Dev is
| amazing, check what SD community is doing with it on
| https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/ . It can do fine
| tuning, there are Loras now, even control net. It can gen casual
| photos like no other tool out there, you won't be able to tell
| they are AI without looking way too deep.
| arizen wrote:
| Are there any publicly accessible Flux image generation
| services you may recommend to check out?
| smusamashah wrote:
| There are a few.
|
| https://fastflux.ai/ for instant image gen using Schnell (but
| its fixed on 4 steps and is mainly a tech show off of
| inference engine by runware.ai)
|
| https://www.segmind.com/ has API support with lots of
| options, I am using it to generate and set wallpaper using an
| AHK script. It's very very slow though.
|
| https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-
| schnell/example...
|
| https://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-
| labs/FLUX.1-schne...
|
| https://getimg.ai/text-to-image
|
| There are other tools now if you Google 'Flux image generator
| online'
| stuffoverflow wrote:
| Huggingface has quite a few spaces with the base dev model as
| well as different variations of it.
|
| https://huggingface.co/spaces?sort=trending&search=dev
| e98cuenc wrote:
| Check out https://www.freepik.com/pikaso you can try flux and
| flux realism
| zone411 wrote:
| 90%+ of Flux image generations will be done through Grok.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| If you have a suitably powerful M-Mac or iOS device, you can
| run it locally using "Draw Things", which is free.
| ProfessorLayton wrote:
| Whoa, thanks for the tip!
| evilduck wrote:
| Just to clarify for other readers, Draw Things has support
| and provides download links to quants but no iOS device can
| run the full precision model which means you will get
| slightly different and usually lower quality output than
| stuff you may see elsewhere, even if you use the same
| settings. It's still damn impressive though.
| Dwedit wrote:
| Twitter's image generator is the pro version of Flux.
| jrm4 wrote:
| Yes, I'm finding the "meh" here is expandable to most of the
| companies, and that's a great thing (e.g just got a $500 card and
| OpenHermes feels comparable to anything and it's running fully
| locally) I know there's often not a lot to be optimistic about,
| but the fact that so called "AI" is absolutely de-facto free/open
| source is perhaps just about the best way this stuff could roll
| out.
| sylware wrote:
| "Midjourney web experience is now open to everyone"...
|
| "Enable JavaScript and cookies to continue"...
| bloqs wrote:
| I can hear the 'coomers' posting with glee
| MrNeon wrote:
| MJ coomers? The same MJ that bans accounts for coomer content?
|
| Not sure that will change just because of a new frontend.
| tschellenbach wrote:
| I've been using it for a while and it's amazing :)
| jiggawatts wrote:
| It's just astonishing to me how difficult it still seems to be
| for the Midjourney team to develop a web site that amounts to
| little more than a textbox, a button, and an img tag.
|
| I tried their new web experience, and... it's just broken. It
| doesn't work. There's a showcase of other people's work, and
| that's it. I can't click the text-box, it's greyed out. It says
| "subscribe to start creating", but there's is _no "subscribe"
| button!_
|
| Mindblowing.
| wmf wrote:
| There's a theory that Midjourney didn't want to pay for image
| hosting (which they were getting for free from Discord).
| GaggiX wrote:
| Images has been available on their website for quite some
| time.
| cma wrote:
| Seems to be a direct response to Black Forest Labs' Flux being
| offered on Twitter with a lot of uptake.
| kgraves wrote:
| I'm so glad that Midjourney and Flux is making creativity
| accessible to everyone, I don't need to have a subscription to MJ
| anymore now that Flux is getting better.
|
| Everybody can now be an artist and have creativity for free now.
|
| What a time to be alive.
| quesomaster9000 wrote:
| And it still can't draw a spork yet [1]
|
| 1: https://canaidrawasporkyet.org/
| BryanLegend wrote:
| I don't see midjourney on that site.
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