[HN Gopher] Our Founder - Momofuku Ando
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Our Founder - Momofuku Ando
Author : rawgabbit
Score : 155 points
Date : 2024-08-09 16:24 UTC (2 days ago)
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| creativeone111 wrote:
| Surprisingly that was a great story.
| toomanyaccts wrote:
| Ever since reading "The Ramen King and I" I've been
| hoping/sporadically searching for a translation of Momofuku
| Ando's book of quotes. Hard to even find mention of them...
|
| Edit: title is Momofuku Ando Speaks: Human beings are Noodle
| Beings.
| https://books.google.com/books/about/Momofuku_Ando_Speaks.ht...
| CAPSLOCKSSTUCK wrote:
| That was awesome, especially the bit about the Asama-Sanso
| incident. Also made me instantly want some noodles . . . .
| thehoff wrote:
| The Cup of Noodles museum in Yokohama was well worth it (get
| there early if plan to go though, can get very busy).
| bobthepanda wrote:
| Eh, I had the opposite experience. It's definitely very geared
| towards elementary school age children.
| astrange wrote:
| There were a lot of families there, but we did enjoy it as
| adults. Obviously no need to go a second time.
|
| My favorite part is that near the end, there's an American
| newspaper article on the wall that says Ando was once
| imprisoned for tax evasion before inventing instant noodles.
| This is mentioned exactly nowhere else in the museum.
| nox101 wrote:
| My favorite part was the video that said Cup Noodles was
| invented when they tried to bring noodles to the USA and people
| in the USA didn't know what "cup" was. "Jing ?nanisore?" in a
| super thick USA accent (lol). And thus they added the "cup" and
| "Cup Noodles was born"
|
| Note: Whether or not it's a true story, it was the movie
| playing at the cup noodle museum in Yokohama
| SatvikBeri wrote:
| "What are chopsticks? What are bowls?" was in the subtitles I
| saw. I'm guessing it was a translation error, but the idea
| that Momofuku Ando introduced bowls to the US was pretty
| amusing.
| sdrothrock wrote:
| The best part of the museum is the chicken ramen factory, which
| you need to make a reservation for in advance. It is NOT the
| cup noodle factory.
|
| Cup noodle factory: no reservations, draw on your cup, specify
| what toppings to put in
|
| Chicken ramen factory: make ramen noodles from SCRATCH, send
| them off to be fried in front of you, draw the packaging
|
| It's really worth the price of admission (1000 yen, maybe $6
| USD) for the experience of making ramen noodles from scratch
| wodenokoto wrote:
| If you're in Kansai, you can take the Hankyuu Takarazuka line
| to Ikeda, near Momofuku Andos birthplace, where they have a
| noodle museum which not only has a noodle factory experience
| but also a recreation of his childhood home.
| sehyun wrote:
| I didn't know that the Hankyuu Takarazuka line stretches
| across the Pacific Ocean!
|
| Maybe you meant to say Umeda Station (Osaka)?
| wodenokoto wrote:
| I meant to say kansai (fixed), but I guess autocorrect had
| other plans.
| m4rtink wrote:
| Went there & it was really nice. Can also recommend visiting
| the lookout & shrine above the town, a really nice view of
| Ikede and the whole Osaka aglomeration from up there. :)
| rwmj wrote:
| Also the asadora drama about the invention of noodles starring
| (unrelated) Sakura Ando: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manpuku
| lagniappe wrote:
| They come in a paper cup now, which is pretty awesome. Whoever
| came up with that idea, I applaud you.
| doytch wrote:
| Oh /that's/ where David Chang got the name Momofuku from...?
| Interesting!
| viiralvx wrote:
| I was thinking the same thing!
| jfengel wrote:
| Yep. It also means "lucky peach", which has a lot of positive
| connotations in Japan. But the original ramen place name was a
| nod to the inventor.
| cnasc wrote:
| I'd like to strongly recommend "Project X: Cup Noodle," a
| business manga (who knew! Wish more of these were translated)
| covering the story of the creation of Cup Noodle. Maybe read it
| while enjoying the titular product.
| Dalewyn wrote:
| Cup Noodles (and more generally instant noodles) is easily one of
| the most important inventions ever.
|
| It's cheap, it's nutritious, it stores well (and easily), it
| ships easily (read: cheaply), and it prepares simply and quickly.
| Most importantly, it's delicious.
|
| I know of no other food that checks _all_ these boxes and then
| some.
| grogenaut wrote:
| Cheese, Hard Tack, Jerkey, Pickles, Kimche, Beer, Salt Pork,
| Rum, Instant Soup, Pemican, Wine, Dried Beans, Honey, Grain,
| Potatoes, Tons of Canned foods lets say peaches, regular pasta,
| Nut butter... yeah I can think of a ton of them, and everything
| I listed is much more nutritious than instant noodles which
| basically has carbs, salt, potassium lots of fat, some protein.
| gaadd33 wrote:
| Where can you get jerkey, wine or nut butter for less money
| than instant noodles? I'm not familiar with the pricing for
| everything listed, but if I can find those 3 for cup noodle
| prices, that would be awesome.
| inhumantsar wrote:
| unless you're eating a jar of nut butter in one sitting,
| I'm pretty sure it's going to be cheaper by far on a per
| serving basis.
| grogenaut wrote:
| I'm not personally going for the cheapest most shelf
| stable food every as the core of my diet.
|
| Also nut butter does looks similar on micro nutrients,
| about an oz is very similar to a cup of noodles. maybe
| not as filling. I don't find cup o noodles all that
| filling though.
| grogenaut wrote:
| I wasn't really going on price. Also note that you're at
| 48% daily sodium for 1 thing of nissan instant noodles
| which is 290 calories (1/6th daily intake of 1800) and 20%
| of nutritional value. I can get my own cider down to about
| $0.28/12 oz bottle. My point was more that there are many
| storable foods and have been for a long time that provide
| nutrition and variation. And other than the salt pork
| aren't loaded with salt.
|
| As spike said "man cannot live on carbohydrates alone" :)
|
| Also I personally feel like shit after eating cup o noodles
| even if they are good tasty and cheap.
| Dalewyn wrote:
| >nissan instant noodles
|
| Nissan makes cars.
|
| Nissin makes cup noodles.
|
| Nisshin makes flour.
| grogenaut wrote:
| cool, thank you for setting me straight, really added to
| the conversation. I'll make sure to file a bug to Google
| autocorrect so that such egregious errors are not made in
| important conversations in the future.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| How many of those do better than a package of instant ramen
| noodles on a nutrient tracker like Cronometer? One pack gives
| you 20% of the day's nutrients. You think pickles, honey,
| beer, and wine come close to that? You need to recalibrate
| your intuitions: cronometer.com
| SargeDebian wrote:
| I don't want to sign up to the product you're advertising,
| but without doing that I can say that while some packets of
| ramen may give you 20% of your required daily calory
| intake, there are more required nutrients than calories.
| Probably none of the other listed foods can give you
| everything on their own.
| bagels wrote:
| Was with you until potatoes. They don't last nearly as long
| as the other items.
| genocidicbunny wrote:
| > It's cheap, it's nutritious, it stores well (and easily), it
| ships easily (read: cheaply), and it prepares simply and
| quickly. Most importantly, it's delicious.
|
| To add a kind of oddball one, fried instant noodles are a great
| item to have a few of when camping -- not because you can eat
| them, but because in a pinch the noodles are pretty good
| firestarters, especially when you're having a hard time finding
| small pieces of dry wood. And you can use the seasoning packets
| as a source of at least some electrolytes in a pinch.
| layer8 wrote:
| I've never eaten any cup noodles that I found delicious (and
| not for lack of trying). Apart from the spiciness (for the
| "hot" flavors), they are rather bland.
| glitchc wrote:
| There's minimal nutritional value in ramen. It's basically
| flour and salt, not to mention all the preservatives they add
| to it. Living on ramen alone would leave you heavily deficient
| in proteins, vitamins and minerals (other than salt).
| alliao wrote:
| the newer ones containing MSG's MSG (IMP GMP) will give you
| gout so yeah like all things in life, moderation is key
| j7ake wrote:
| Nissin cup noodles (Japan version with nice toppings) are the
| only thing I eat on airplanes, even if I am flying business.
| gizajob wrote:
| Why? Do you take your own?
| j7ake wrote:
| Cathay Pacific and Singapore airlines usually has them in
| stock. You just ask.
|
| I bring my own otherwise.
| netsharc wrote:
| I went on a bit of the Trans-Siberian rail. Chinese dried ramen
| are sold at the station shops, the trains have samovars (hot
| water dispensers), originally for tea, so it's perfect for
| ramen.
|
| I went to the "Top of Europe", a tourist trap at the Swiss
| glacier saddle of Jungfraujoch. There's a cafetaria up there,
| and by the cashier there's an empty ramen package (bowl-shape
| with its lid cellotaped on). I added 2 and 2 and laughed: it's
| for the Chinese tourists with the language barrier to point at
| and make the cashier understand, they want ramen...
| alliao wrote:
| umami sensor on the plane hits different, must be due to
| altitude/pressure etc I usually love a sip of tomato
| juice/bloody mary on the plane but never hit the same once I'm
| on the ground
| aaron695 wrote:
| > Space Ram journeyed into space in July 2005
|
| Nissin's Yakisoba U.F.O. (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=UFO+Nissin
| one of my favorites) have since have been certified for space.
|
| Not clear if Soichi Noguchi took it with him on his recent 2020
| mission - https://humans-in-space.jaxa.jp/en/life/food-in-
| space/japane...
|
| You can't buy them :( Instructions on how they are made -
| https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/30167/how-was-spac...
| uzyn wrote:
| The homepage comes with a nice video on the invention of ramen:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbb9qixsRQ
|
| (Turn on the subtitles)
| parker-3461 wrote:
| The best flavour is the Curry Cup Noodles
| gwervc wrote:
| My favorites are Cheese curry, and Tomato chili. Somehow last
| time I see in Japan there was alternative versions a little
| more expensive but it don't know the real difference besides
| price.
| nogajun wrote:
| It is a lie that Momofuku Ando invented instant ramen. The
| history of instant ramen as presented by Nissin must be
| questioned.
|
| In Taiwan, there was Ke-shi-men (Ji Si Mian ), in which the
| noodles were fried in oil and then returned to hot water.
|
| Before the introduction of Chicken Ramen, Choju-men (Chang Shou
| Mian ) was introduced by Cho Kokubun (Zhang Guo Wen ) and was
| widely known.
|
| Momofuku Ando is a businessman who exploits these things, crushes
| his opponents with lawsuits, and simply advertises that he
| invented them.
|
| Reference:
|
| Dong Ming Shang Xing noZhang Guo Wen to[Chang Shou Mian ] noLi
| Zhi Chuan : https://nobunaga-oda.com/tyou-kokubun/
|
| NHK{manpuku} chikinramenhaBen Dang ni[Fa Ming ] nanoka |
| hahuposuto PROJECT:
| https://www.huffingtonpost.jp/entry/nhkmanpukuchikinramenwah...
|
| {manpuku} An Teng Bai Fu noJi Xi Mian [Fa Ming haXu ] toYi Lun
| Pen Chu | Smart FLASH/sumahura[Guang Wen She Zhou Kan Zhi ]:
| https://smart-flash.jp/lifemoney/63928/1/1/
| chaostheory wrote:
| Maybe it's related that Momofuku Ando and his family were
| Taiwanese immigrants?
| whamlastxmas wrote:
| Humans have been dehydrating food for at least 12,000 years. I
| think it's pretty unlikely that that he was the first to do in
| that fashion in 1958. I agree.
| aviraldg wrote:
| Reminds me of one of my favourite ads, Nissin's 'Samurai Noodles
| "The Originator"': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbb9qixsRQ
| thucydides wrote:
| cool story but:
|
| ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE
| MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID), PALM OIL, SALT, DRIED
| CARROT FLAKE, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT,
| CITRIC ACID, CONCENTRATED GREEN CABBAGE JUICE, DEXTROSE, DISODIUM
| GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE, DISODIUM SUCCINATE, DRIED CORN,
| DRIED PARSLEY, EGG WHITE, GARLIC POWDER, HYDROLYZED CORN PROTEIN,
| HYDROLYZED SOY PROTEIN, LACTOSE, MALTODEXTRIN, NATURAL AND
| ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, ONION POWDER, POTASSIUM CARBONATE, POTASSIUM
| CHLORIDE, POWDERED CHICKEN, RENDERED CHICKEN FAT, SILICON
| DIOXIDE, SODIUM ALGINATE, SODIUM CARBONATE, SODIUM
| TRIPOLYPHOSPHATE, SOYBEAN, SPICE AND COLOR, SUGAR, TBHQ
| (PRESERVATIVE), WHEAT.
|
| yum!
| saagarjha wrote:
| Which part of that is disagreeable to you?
| user_7832 wrote:
| Palm oil, for starters. I really dislike the taste, and it's
| terrible for the planet too.
| whamlastxmas wrote:
| The only thing that bothers me personally is the all caps :)
| layer8 wrote:
| I always wonder how those products have lactose in them, given
| that allegedly most East-Asians are lactose-intolerant.
| mango7283 wrote:
| It's a matter of degree, most of us can handle a certain
| amount of milk just fine...certainly enough to eat instant
| noodles and have a latte.
| 55555 wrote:
| The dose makes the poison.
| chaostheory wrote:
| Momofuku Ando was born as Go Pek-Hok and his family was
| originally from Taiwan. Ando and Nissin are a prime example of
| why immigration is so important to a country's business sector.
|
| Immigrants are 60-80% more likely to start businesses. This is
| due to various factors. While discrimination and lack of
| opportunity might be a factor, it's more likely because
| immigrants tend to be less risk averse as a group. Why? There's
| no definitive answer. What we do know is that historically, even
| in times of famine or war, only 20% or less of a country's
| population leave which is seen as risky behavior.
|
| https://hbr.org/2021/08/research-why-immigrants-are-more-lik...
|
| https://www.immigration.ca/study-explains-why-immigrants-are...
| brandall10 wrote:
| "Why? There's no definitive answer."
|
| I'd argue act of immigrating itself is risky behavior, so
| naturally that would be a less risk averse group.
| steve1977 wrote:
| I wonder how much of that is reflected in the differences
| between the USA and for example Europe (where the USA for a
| long time was mostly European immigrants)
| whyenot wrote:
| Both this biography and his page on Wikipedia skip over the war
| years. I wish there were more information about this time. He
| grew up under Japanese rule. Was he conscripted into their armed
| forces? How were the people of Taiwan treated by the Japanese
| during WWII?
| CodeArtisan wrote:
| The Japanese wikipedia page talks about it: He was imprisoned
| and tortured. The main source material is the book _Magic
| Ramen: The Story of Momofuku Ando_ (ISBN-10: 1499807031).
| maxglute wrote:
| I'm a big fan of JP fare, but I am consistently underwhelmed by
| popular JP ramen brands vs SKR/PRC/TW ramen. They clearly put a
| lot of effort in their instant noodles, but apart from their more
| korean/chinese/thai leaning flavours, most I've tried have been
| very mid.
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