[HN Gopher] Eyechat
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Eyechat
Author : seatac76
Score : 114 points
Date : 2024-08-05 23:23 UTC (2 days ago)
(HTM) web link (neal.fun)
(TXT) w3m dump (neal.fun)
| cranberryturkey wrote:
| ...probably make it top of the internet too.
| MaxikCZ wrote:
| This is actually pretty neat.
| yesbut wrote:
| You all are comfortable just enabling your camera for some random
| site so it can capture your face?
| colejhudson wrote:
| yes
| xandrius wrote:
| As much as I enjoy neal's little games, I'm not going to be
| trying this one, unfortunately.
| thih9 wrote:
| Perhaps that's an idea for a next game: match people by "how
| much info are you willing to provide".
|
| Present options to pick a username, email, social media, live
| text, live audio stream, live video, health data from a smart
| watch, teenage diary, ...
|
| It already works in some way; e.g. even if one person has
| both a HN account and a Snapchat account, they would use
| these to talk to different people.
| boesboes wrote:
| Already exists, demo by some dutch(?) privacy expert on how
| much info he can get out of you and just from your picture.
|
| I showed it to a colleague from marketing as a 'look how
| bad up this is!' They asked 'cool, can we do that too?'
| sigh
| fartsucker69 wrote:
| my match will get tmi
| vzaliva wrote:
| You know, someone can also capture your face while you just
| walking on the street?
|
| Given, the different people require different levels of
| privacy.
| _the_inflator wrote:
| Yes, inverse profiling works this way. A group with known
| individuals communicates constantly with someone who ain't
| using FB or Insta. You still know this person quite well,
| easily identifiable, maybe lacking some information but more
| than needed.
|
| This is also why privacy has been a game over for decades.
| Ten years ago or so, friends boasted that they don't use
| Gmail due to privacy concerns but happily email folks with
| Gmail accounts.
|
| One group picture is sufficient, you can work from there.
| aaroninsf wrote:
| One pertinent difference is that a web property may correlate
| your captured biometric data with whatever they get out of
| your connection, making entity resolution much easier and
| more valuable.
|
| ELI5 when you visit online they have a handle on you.
| _the_inflator wrote:
| Yes, I had the same question popping up.
|
| On a meta-level, this is the essence of social engineering:
| creating a seemingly harmless and fun distraction to get what
| you may really want.
|
| "Consent to give me pictures of your face and movements" as a
| pop-up would probably spoil the fun a bit.
| archerx wrote:
| This site wants to share your cookies to at least 662 "venders"
| and they are being dishonest with the "legitimate interest"
| scam. The creator clearly does not care about nor respect their
| users/visitors.
| mandmandam wrote:
| It's so wild to me that people tolerate this. I just close
| the tab or 'reader' whenever I see that type of thing, but I
| know very few others who do the same.
| snorremd wrote:
| I mean, if a website claims to have tens if not close to a
| hundred "legitimate interest" cookies I'm reasonably sure
| they are living of wildly invasive ad tracking. I
| immediately close these websites just as you do.
|
| It would be swell if more of the web was made by passionate
| people to share knowledge for free. I know this is a
| privileged attitude as creating content takes time which is
| not free. But some of the best web sites are the ones
| without monetisation. We need a better monetisation system
| for the web that is based on people paying for content
| instead of people being sold as user data.
| unsupp0rted wrote:
| Why worry? It only captures the eyes.
| ashkankiani wrote:
| It has to capture everything first to figure out where the
| eyes are...
| gattr wrote:
| One could wear a paper mask/visor to only show the eyes.
| (Though the eye extraction feature might malfunction then?)
| GaggiX wrote:
| The extraction of the eyes is done client side.
| PKop wrote:
| False
| darajava wrote:
| Why do you care? You likely give your entire life story to
| Google? What do you think he's going to do with your face data?
| moralestapia wrote:
| Yes, I am.
| arendtio wrote:
| No, I just went straight to the HN comments after seeing it
| requires camera permissions ;-)
| bun_terminator wrote:
| Suure some random site that hijacks your back button, doesn't
| talk at all what it is and wants my camera permissions
| ferguu_ wrote:
| exactly! a little explanation please? i dont turn my camera on
| for just anything!!! who am i chatting with - the nsa?
| archerx wrote:
| Worst, advertising data miners if you look at the cookie
| consent form.
| umeshram wrote:
| Funny
| miguelxt wrote:
| Another hit from Neal. I wonder (and envy, in a good way) where
| does he gets the time to work and all this wonderful little
| games.
| amitlevy49 wrote:
| Doesn't he do this full time?
| ianbicking wrote:
| But there's no attempt to monetize anything...
|
| ... which is part of why everything seems so polished, they
| each express an idea without compromise, and when he's done
| he can just be done.
|
| Someone could make a pretty good museum exhibit from his
| site.
| omoikane wrote:
| > But there's no attempt to monetize anything...
|
| Maybe for the pages you tried, but I see ads on these
| pages:
|
| https://neal.fun/infinite-craft/ (bottom)
|
| https://neal.fun/perfect-circle/ (right)
|
| https://neal.fun/days-since-incident/ (bottom, near the
| end, above the "you may also like" section)
|
| The last one occasionally fails to show ads due to some
| javascript error (visible in the console). The same error
| was also observed on a few other pages with the "you may
| also like" footer, so my guess is that some ads were
| supposed to be visible on many pages, but were accidentally
| hidden due to some configuration issue.
| namanyayg wrote:
| Same. Not just the time, where does he gets the ideas for these
| games.
|
| Plus, his implementation in a few of them is really exhaustive
| and polished. Are there any "interns" helping him?
| lambdaba wrote:
| Careful doing this as there's a risk of falling in love, as per
| this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/11/style/modern-
| love-to-fall...
| latexr wrote:
| https://archive.ph/20240808081029/https://www.nytimes.com/20...
| petepete wrote:
| The name took me back to a video chat programme I remember using
| with my friends in the very early 2000s called Eyeball Chat.
| petargyurov wrote:
| I remember that someone posted a very similar project here some
| time ago.
| namanyayg wrote:
| Yes, had a deja vu moment there. I guess it was a similar game
| by someone else.
| wonger_ wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38305787
| diimdeep wrote:
| I would love to read about tech details behind this.
| YounoYouno wrote:
| Nice try, aint' getting my biometrics this time!
| hazn wrote:
| after eyechatting with 5 people:
|
| * all people had brown eyes
|
| * all went for funny looks immediately
|
| * 3 of them were shocked and left
| kypro wrote:
| How is this not a torture method? Do neurotypicals think this is
| fun? I'm getting anxiety just thinking about it.
| pcranaway wrote:
| To the people worried about their data being sent to google or
| whatever (I'm not sure what they're actually worried about) --
| the extraction of your eyes is done client side, using a
| seemingly very well made ML model running on Tensorflow which
| fits in under 15mb.
|
| The feed of your camera is transmitted "directly" to the person
| you're looking at (well, no, not really directly, it uses WebRTC,
| so your data passes through Neal's TURN server, but do you really
| think Neal wants to take care of properly storing your data and
| handing it off to advertisers?)
| BossingAround wrote:
| So even after this thought process, it comes down to "do you
| trust the author" (just like before it)... Not unreasonable to
| answer either way if you ask me.
| namanyayg wrote:
| It's not working for me at all, did it get hugged to death?
|
| I just see a black screen with "Eyes from $LOCATION" under it.
| bot0047 wrote:
| Congrats! Your eyes are ours now. - them
| zikduruqe wrote:
| "Got Eem" - Worldcoin
|
| *for those that aren't familiar with Worldcoin....
| https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/07/technology/worldcoin-iris...
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| What we really need for this is on-screen cameras, so you can
| actually look someone in the eye. Now, you only look them in the
| eye when you look away from them at the camera. And when you look
| them in the eye you're just looking at their mouth.
| jbullock35 wrote:
| We've needed this - easy, direct eye contact - for quite a long
| time. I keep waiting for someone to develop it. I think that
| Apple has a relevant patent, but I don't know how much content
| is in the patent, and I've never heard that Apple has done
| anything with it.
| shepherdjerred wrote:
| Apple uses it for its Eye Contact feature in FaceTime
| qingcharles wrote:
| They're slowly coming to market:
|
| https://www.androidauthority.com/under-display-selfie-camera...
| colordrops wrote:
| The claim why these aren't adopted is that they aren't high
| enough quality. Why not include both a standard and
| undersceen front-facing camera and get the best of both
| worlds? Could use the under-screen camera for video chat and
| the standard one for everything else. Or even use some AI
| algorithm to merge the data from the standard camera with the
| under-screen one to increase quality.
| filcuk wrote:
| People want quality selfies more than eye to eye calls
| bredren wrote:
| Earliest expected release for an Under Display Camera (UDC)
| iPhone right now is iPhone 18 in 2026:
|
| >According to The Elec, LG Innotek has entered the preliminary
| development of the UDC, which sits under the display and does
| not result in a visible hole in the panel when the camera is
| not in use...
|
| >Apple will then adopt the UDC in 2027's "Pro" iPhone models,
| according to respected analyst Ross Young of research firm
| Display Supply Chain Consultant
|
| https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/iphone-under-display-ca...
| brikym wrote:
| So this is what it's like dating in the middle east.
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