[HN Gopher] Can we trust Microsoft with Open Source?
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Can we trust Microsoft with Open Source?
Author : luu
Score : 31 points
Date : 2024-08-06 20:02 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| mikerg87 wrote:
| Can this be marked 2021 ?
| Dachande663 wrote:
| (2021)
| 486sx33 wrote:
| Nope, and they've proven time and time again that we can't trust
| them in any way shape or form
| ho_schi wrote:
| Enforced Auto-Updates, Ads, Cloud Account enforcement, Blocking
| Firefox partially in Teams [1], Setting Teams as Browser
| (Edge?), WSL (intent is not compatibility, it is to prevent
| migrations to Linux), Azure is a giant security problem and
| finally the deal with Qualcomm (hinder Linux on ARM) like we
| are in the 90ies?
|
| And a piece of ** named _Secure Boot_ with Microsoft as
| Certificate Authority. After certificates proofed to be
| miserable on the internet for 25 years. What about generally
| signing with a private key of the user and storing the public
| key in the UEFI? Which would be easy a reliable. Microsoft
| opted for the solution which depends on their goodwill and the
| biggest possible attack surface.
|
| Okay. But Pluton...oh wait. It looks so dangerous that Lenovo
| and Dell immediately turned it off.
|
| I will not trust them. Their business Model is greed, making
| the users itself hostile actor against all others. *Using
| something intentionally incompatible and borked isn't "your
| department". You harm others with incompatible APIs, ABIs, Word
| files and Teams. It is like a parking on two parking lots.
|
| I didn't ever considered to use DotNet. And I'm happy the GNOME
| threw it out a long time ago. The only thing which seems good
| is LSP. But the hard work is here done by CLANG and others, not
| Microsoft.
|
| [1] Teams worked six months ago flawlessly with Firefox. Even
| screen-sharing on Wayland. But they greyed out and blocked the
| video-call button. Until I figured out that I can initiate
| calls through the calendar...lol. It is like 2001.
| recursive wrote:
| I've been using some of the most expensive Visual Studio
| subscriptions for probably decades. This thing is so jam-packed
| with features, I'll probably never know what half of them do. But
| I definitely have access to hot-reload.
|
| Anyway, it doesn't really go to the point, but it's funny to me
| that I've had this hot-reload feature the whole time, and just
| have never found much use for it. Or maybe I just don't trust it.
| bb88 wrote:
| Remember the quote from Steve Ballmer? "Developers! Developers!
| Developers! Developers!"
|
| Apple is winning, somehow.
| cwales95 wrote:
| No one company can be.
| bmitc wrote:
| More than who? Amazon, Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.?
| compiler-devel wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...
| ffhhj wrote:
| Wait, they already ran away with it. ChatGPT.
| nonrandomstring wrote:
| Trust is a complex thing. It's much more than a rational, game-
| theoretic or economic equation, it's emotional. Nobody "trusts"
| Microsoft.
|
| People need it. People fear it, or fear losing it. People suffer
| it. Or they have no choice due to pressure or policy. Or they
| don't know any better. Or they are tricked into believing
| something about it. But in the end, the often forced choice to
| use Microsoft is a strategically created imposition by a company
| with billions to spend on manipulation and political manoeuvring.
| audidude wrote:
| > Yes, that is right, Visual Studio for Mac is a closed source
| version of the formerly open source MonoDevelop IDE after
| Microsoft acquired Xamarin.
|
| Having all of my GPL code ripped out of MonoDevelop so it could
| become Visual Studio for Mac was the straw that made me write
| GNOME Builder, GNOME's flagship IDE.
| marcodiego wrote:
| Oh! So you are Christian Hergert, right?
|
| I've been completely deaf to GNOME dev tools for a few years.
| What are the plans (if is there any) for a reasonably good RAD
| or ui builder tool (besides cambalache)? Is there any hope for
| blueprint + workbench turning into something to fill this gap?
| Was there any progress or plan on the "designable" interface
| for GTK?
|
| For the record, I wrote this comment some time ago:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35632761
| zaphar wrote:
| The thing about open source is that you can just fork it. You
| don't _need_ to trust them.
|
| If the question is actually "Can we trust Microsoft with an Open
| Source Community?" then it get's more interesting.
| synergy20 wrote:
| Microsoft embraced open source not because it liked it, but it
| had to, "if you can't beat it, you join it", it is a poison pill
| if history tells us anything.
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