[HN Gopher] WD announces enterprise 128TB SSD
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WD announces enterprise 128TB SSD
Author : doener
Score : 88 points
Date : 2024-08-06 18:00 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| ComputerGuru wrote:
| No price announced?
| jsheard wrote:
| I think this probably falls under "if you have to ask, you
| can't afford it".
| yieldcrv wrote:
| aka a boomer scam
|
| everything has a market price
| baruch wrote:
| I believe pricing (in quantity, these usually do not sell by
| single pieces) is around 6 cents a Gig so about $7680. I could
| very well be wrong though, it's been a while since I heard
| pricing of DC SSDs.
| hypeatei wrote:
| To be honest, that doesn't seem unreasonable. Obviously it's
| steep for a homelab project but I could see small-medium
| sized businesses buying that for on-prem needs.
| Dylan16807 wrote:
| It's much better than not unreasonable. If that price is
| accurate it's competitive with consumer drives. The big
| clouds would charge you 6 cents per gigabyte _per quarter_.
| Add on RAID and you still break even after four months.
| sumtechguy wrote:
| the 128 also looks to be in proof of concept stage. The rest
| of the articles seem to be for consumer being 8/16TB SSD
| drives and 30TB spinning. With 64 being the the data center
| sizes for this set of announcements.
| elorant wrote:
| You can get a 30TB nvme at about $3k. So that's probably four
| times that? I would guess around $15k.
| kelsey98765431 wrote:
| These are for making raid systems with higher speed for graphing
| systems, possibly for high speed swap memory for frontier model
| cpu inference.
| 1-6 wrote:
| If it's for raid system, I would be less reserved about QLC.
| radicality wrote:
| Link to press release (since the link in the article is a
| tracking link):
|
| https://www.westerndigital.com/company/newsroom/press-releas...
| porphyra wrote:
| I really want a denser SSD to store my photo collection. My
| current small form factor PC has two NVME PCIe slots and no room
| for SATA drives. I have two 4 TB SSDs in there right now and it
| seems that consumer SSDs basically cap out at 4 TB. I would
| really love to get about 16 TB in my computer.
| tracker1 wrote:
| You can get 8tb drives, but they're well over 2x the cost of
| 4tb drives. An external USB drive or multi-drive enclosure may
| be more prudent though.
|
| https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CTTL9R7Z/
| Coolbeanstoo wrote:
| I'd like to find some good quality but slow nvmes, I dont need
| super high speed for media serving but getting a lot of storage
| (4x4tb/2x8tb ~) is much more expensive than hard drives. Itd be
| nice to have a silent home server
| Dylan16807 wrote:
| Good quality has a baseline level of speed which is pretty
| fast. There's not much you can cut at that point.
|
| But cheap SSDs got down to 2x the price of hard drives last
| year. Even after prices stabilized, they're at 3x. Flash
| catching up relatively soon seems likely. Flash matching the
| current price of hard drives seems even more likely.
| Coolbeanstoo wrote:
| Interesting, thanks. I'm quite hopeful to be hard drive
| free at some point in my NAS
| aeyes wrote:
| 8TB: https://sabrent.com/products/sb-rktq-8tb
|
| But your aren't going to like the price.
| bornfreddy wrote:
| Spoiler alert - price is $800 (regular price $2000).
| blackeyeblitzar wrote:
| That is not as bad as I expected
| lldb wrote:
| I use the Intel P4510 (8TB) and have been super impressed with
| the performance. I also have some older WD SN200's that are
| excellent MLC flash. You do need some active cooling for these
| types of drives such as in the path of a fan.
|
| As for controller I've had good luck with this one:
| https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2255800570197081.html
| milkshakes wrote:
| https://nimbusdata.com/products/exadrive/specifications/
| moffkalast wrote:
| Funny.
| rangerelf wrote:
| OP did say "no room for SATA drives", those SSDs are SATA.
| That said ... I do have room for a couple of SATA drives :-)
| CommieBobDole wrote:
| I'm using these (Samsung 970 QVO) as the data drive in a couple
| of workstations right now. Not the fastest SSD for a number of
| reasons, but still a lot faster than a mechanical drive.
|
| https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089C3TZL9/
|
| Oddly, these were ~$300 when I bought them at the end of 2023,
| but the price has now doubled.
| ls612 wrote:
| I'm looking forward to the next NAND price crash in a year or
| two, hopefully we will start to see 16TB client SSDs hit the
| market then.
| darksaints wrote:
| I'd love to find a M2-only NAS in a very low profile form
| factor. I live in a small apartment and prefer small
| electronics that can hide in a cabinet, but it seems like all
| of the NAS enclosures that I've ever seen recommended are
| fucking huge.
| projektfu wrote:
| https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5HW6W9Y
|
| This would give 3 M.2 slots and high speed ethernet.
|
| https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N1HC88M
|
| Something like this can be used to upgrade a dual-3.5" SATA
| NAS into a 8x-M.2 NAS (assuming the cooling and everything
| work appropriately).
|
| Just some ideas.
| bpfrh wrote:
| There ie the rockchip CM3588 NAS Kit but it is a non
| mainstream CPU which cost between 200-300EUR:
|
| https://wiki.friendlyelec.com/wiki/index.php/CM3588_NAS_Kit
|
| there is also the asustor nas:
| https://www.asustor.com/de/product?p_id=80
|
| If you just need a single nvme SSD you could also buy a
| banana pi 3 Router:
|
| https://wiki.banana-pi.org/Banana_Pi_BPI-R3
|
| Edit: forgot links and product
| zamadatix wrote:
| I have the Flashstor 12 Pro. As the name suggests it's 12 m.2
| nvme bays and it's pretty darn small considering.
|
| Pros:
|
| - It does what it says on the tin and I have 12 nvme drives
| in a ZFS pool
|
| - It has 10G ethernet built in.
|
| - It's pretty small, especially compared to most HDD focused
| NAS systems.
|
| - It's just an x86 PC and you can blast the factory OS away
| to install your OS of choice without issue.
|
| Cons:
|
| - Each drive only gets a 3.0 x1 connection. It's honestly not
| much of a problem though as 1 GB/s per drive is still a ton
| of bandwidth after 12 drives.
|
| - The built in ethernet is RJ45 instead of SFP+. Not the end
| of the world, just less power efficient.
|
| - No PCIe expansion slots for anything but m.2 2280 drives.
|
| - Single RAM slot so no dual channel and no large amounts of
| RAM. 32 GB works fine (I think Intel says the processor is
| only rated for 16). I can't remember if I tried 48 and it
| failed or if I never bothered. Either way 32 GB can be a bit
| small if you're really wanting to load it up with 4 TB or 8
| TB drives and features like ZFS deduplication.
|
| - The single built in fan could have been silent had they
| made any reasonable design choice around it. Instead I had to
| externally mount a noctua fan (to the same screw holes, just
| the inside is not a standard mount) and feed it power via a
| USB adapter. Works damn silent and cool now though.
|
| - CPU (4 core Intel Celeron N5105) is very weak and the
| actual performance limitation for most any setup with this
| box.
|
| I don't regret getting it, it's a solid choice given the
| relative lack of premade options in this segment, but the
| follow up NAS build was just me getting a motherboard/CPU
| with lots of PCIe lanes and loading up 4 way switches. You
| can do that via buying used Epyc servers on Ebay
| (loud/chunky) or just building a low end consumer class
| "workstation" (things like x8 x8 from the CPU instead of x16
| for the assumed GPU) and PCIe to x4 switches (not the
| splitter cards which assume the motherboard has bifurcation
| and lanes available but actual switches). If you go the Epyc
| route you don't have to get switches and you can go back to
| cheaper splitters. I went the latter via some PCIe switch
| cards off Aliexpress. Performance and scaling of this one was
| better of course, but so was cost. Since I did all of this
| prices for m.2 drives have actually went up quite a bit so
| I'm glad I did it when I did.
|
| What I would not recommend is anything non-x86 (older Ampere
| servers have lanes at not sky high prices but better to just
| go used Epyc at that point and get more CPU perf for the same
| dollar. SBCs are... a poor choice for a NAS on most every
| account but hacking factor). I'd also not recommend the
| Flashstor 6 as it only has 2.5 GBe connectivity and at that
| point what's the value in paying extra to do this all in
| flash.
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| There's a lot of really cool options in the replies here, but
| I think I'm at my limit on the number of tech hobbies I can
| manage. Really just waiting for a consumer grade Synology SSD
| NAS.
| walterbell wrote:
| ODROID H4 Plus Intel N97 SBC (with in-band ECC) has an option
| for 4xM.2 via PCIe bifurcation,
| https://www.hardkernel.com/blog-2/new-m-2-card-for-the-
| odroi...
| peterburkimsher wrote:
| I've got a PNY XLR8 CS3140 8TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD with an
| M.2 adaptor in my MacBook Pro 2014, and it works well.
|
| I also have an external one for backup purposes, and it works
| well in a Thunderbolt enclosure but has been a little
| unreliable (random disconnects) in a USB-C enclosure.
| doublepg23 wrote:
| Anyone in the industry able to tell me where WD sits in the flash
| space? I use WD for my HDDs pretty exclusively but had assumed
| their SSD offerings were mostly white label drives they slapped
| their name on, are they a real competitor in the space?
| jsheard wrote:
| WD is the real deal, they design their own SSD controller
| silicon in-house.
|
| They acquired Sandisk and HGST so there's a lot of expertise
| under their roof.
| magicalhippo wrote:
| > they design their own SSD controller silicon in-house
|
| And they've been leaning into RISC-V[1] due to this.
|
| [1]: https://blog.westerndigital.com/risc-v-swerv-core-open-
| sourc...
| wmf wrote:
| WD SN850(X) is pretty much the best consumer SSD.
| markhahn wrote:
| how big is the market of people who have money to burn?
|
| or is it that some people mistakenly believe that bigger devices
| are more cost-effective?
|
| this part of the release is interesting:
| https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library...
| choilive wrote:
| This is targeted for enterprise/cloud/hyperscale customers and
| density is often a big deal in those applications. I know that
| 61.44TB SSD have been selling very well exactly for this
| reason.
| wmf wrote:
| Drive bays cost money so in some cases it could be cheaper to
| use a smaller number of more expensive drives.
| jandrewrogers wrote:
| There are applications and workloads where storage density is a
| key consideration, and the set of data models isn't that small
| as a subset of the market. Networked storage is not a
| substitute for NVMe when working with very large storage
| volumes due to the poor storage bandwidth. For some workloads
| you also cannot substitute a single high-density server with
| multiple low-density servers for effectively the same reason
| (low bandwidth to remote storage). For these workloads, ultra-
| high density storage can definitely be cost effective within
| reason.
|
| It bears keeping in mind that most popular open source software
| is not designed to be effective for storage densities anywhere
| near this high. If you are working with data at this density
| then you are likely using one of the closed source storage
| engines designed to work at this scale running straight off of
| the raw block device.
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