[HN Gopher] To preserve their work journalists take archiving in...
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To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own
hands
Author : bcta1
Score : 48 points
Date : 2024-08-03 13:57 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| ghaff wrote:
| This has been true for a long time. Had I not archived a fair bit
| of my own work, some of it in the CMSs of dead organizations,
| some of it inaccessible behind paywalls, much would no longer
| exist. Journalists are probably in _better_ shape than many
| because they 're more likely to have work they've created on a
| relatively open web.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| They should really collaborate with archive.org. They won't shut
| things down or paywall it.
| shitlord wrote:
| Archive.org can and does accept takedown requests, even if the
| requester wants to avoid public scrutiny. If you're writing
| about a contentious topic and want to preserve your links
| (tweets or whatever), there are better options.
| sinkasapa wrote:
| What are some of those options?
| shitlord wrote:
| Not all of these are 1:1 replacements but here are a few
| options: archive.is/archive.today, ghost archive, save a
| webpage as html with assets, and taking a screenshot
| ghaff wrote:
| There really aren't. You can publish a book I guess but that
| has limited reach. And your website isn't going to be around
| forever.
| aspenmayer wrote:
| Dupe
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41140791
| metadat wrote:
| No discussion == no dupe.
| walterbell wrote:
| _> "Thank goodness she did that because [otherwise] we would have
| no records of the early years of the first Women's Hockey League
| in Canada," Azzi said._
|
| A few years ago, Canada digitized many older television shows,
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982
| With the help of many industry partners, the [Canada Media Fund]
| CMF team unearthed Canadian gems buried in analog catalogues.
| Once discovered, we worked to secure permissions and required
| rights and collaborate with third parties to digitize the works,
| including an invaluable partnership with Deluxe Canada that
| covered 40 per cent of the digitization costs. The new, high-
| quality digital masters were made available to the rights holders
| and released to the public on the Encore+ YouTube channel in
| English and French.
|
| In late 2022, the channel deleted the entire Youtube Encore
| archive of Canadian television, with two weeks notice. A few
| months later, half of the archive resurfaced on
| https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Encore%20%2B%2....
| If anyone independently archived the missing Encore videos from
| Youtube, please mirror them to Archive.org.
| ThinkBeat wrote:
| I fully support the efforts. but are there not legal problems
| with this? (No I dont thik legal issues should prevent this)
|
| If I worked for CorporateMediaNews as a columnist and reporter
| for 10 years and they decide ot remove all of it. Does not CMN
| own the work and can (unfortunately) dispose of it if they so
| wish? I would not have any rights for the work?
|
| Thinking about my own career. I have written a hell of a lot of
| code and 80% at least are closed source system for various
| companies. I dont retain any copies of that code.
|
| It would be interesting if I heard that System X I wrote 15 years
| ago is being shut down, and I would try to obtain the source code
| in order to preserve it. I have never heard of anyone doing it,
| but probably in games and such it happens more often.
| ghaff wrote:
| It's often probably at least a bit complicated. I cross-posted
| material between a couple of organizations (one of which is
| long gone) over a number of years via pretty much informal
| agreement. I also reused a fair bit of that material for other
| purposes. Everyone was OK with the state of affairs but who
| actually held the copyright? Who knows and I was certainly
| never going to bring it to a head.
|
| As a practical matter if CorporateMediaNews or the like don't
| care about something any longer, they mostly don't care if
| someone else makes use of it so long as it isn't embarrassing
| or misrepresenting the organization.
|
| In the end, I have created work that I've reused for a variety
| of organizations as well as independently and someone other
| than myself probably would claim copyright to but it's often
| been pretty loose.
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