[HN Gopher] NYPD Coppelganger: Exploring Cop Data
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NYPD Coppelganger: Exploring Cop Data
Author : leotravis10
Score : 40 points
Date : 2024-07-25 21:47 UTC (1 days ago)
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| kylecazar wrote:
| Cool. But honestly, the thing that stood out the most to me was
| that overtime pay...
| adrianparsons wrote:
| Similarly, I was surprised by the "lawsuit settlements" section
| on this Lieutenant's page on the referenced 50-a.org site
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| https://www.50-a.org/officer/JPRP
| adrianparsons wrote:
| Compared to overtime, though, which cost $800M+ in 2023,
| lawsuit settlements by the NYPD only cost $115M in the same
| year[0].
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/nyregion/nypd-police-
| misc...
| AzzyHN wrote:
| I know New York is big, and the NYPD is big, but $115
| million still seems like way too much
| afavour wrote:
| It's insane. But until NYC gets a mayor willing to hold
| the NYPD in check (so, not the current one), absolutely
| nothing will be done about it.
| rexpop wrote:
| Cops engage in a practice called "slow rolling," "papering," or
| even "collar bombing" (to say nothing about good old fashioned
| time and attendance fraud[5])
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| They intentionally delay paperwork and administrative tasks
| past the end of their shift so as to extend into overtime
| hours. They accumulate additional pay for the extra time spent
| on duty, but th is question remains: what were they doing
| during their actual shift?
|
| Generously, we might presume they were _so busy_ fighting crime
| that they _couldn 't_ get back to their laptops to finish the
| paperwork, but it's hard to find the evidence that on-duty
| officers don't run personal errands or engage in liesure
| activities.
|
| Frankly, I wish we could get more sousveillence of the police.
| They shouldn't be so opaque. We've seen countless instances of
| racketeering[3][4] and rape[1][2] by police. No wonder they
| can't find the time to file paperwork until after their "shift"
| ends!
|
| > During day shifts, patrol officers were recorded as being
| available, on average, for approximately 27% of their shift.
| Although we cannot confirm the specifics of what officers
| physically did during such available time (a point that we
| revisit later), _we assume based on operational experience that
| much of this time was spent conducting routine preventive
| patrols._ [0]
|
| 0.
| https://crimesciencejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11...
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| 1. https://thecrimereport.org/2020/03/12/predators-behind-
| the-b...
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| 2. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/major-us-
| police-...
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| 3. https://www.baltimoresun.com/2018/02/12/baltimore-police-
| off...
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| 4. https://www.wmar2news.com/news/crime-checker/baltimore-
| city-...
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| 5. https://www.police1.com/officer-misconduct-internal-
| affairs/...
| newsclues wrote:
| Policy and leadership failures, are responsible for employees
| continually being able to exploit the system.
| rexpop wrote:
| I agree: it seems like extant policies maintain systemic
| incentives to exploit the system but too much leeway,
| perhaps, is afforded to individual officers in their
| discretionary use of time. Better recordkeeping might see
| greater adherence to well-intentioned policy.
| natmaka wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custod
| es%...
| ryandrake wrote:
| US society can't seem to even hold the police accountable for
| misconduct, rights violations, and literal crimes committed
| on the job. Overtime fraud seems to be pretty low on the
| priority list.
| Atotalnoob wrote:
| The San Francisco and San Jose police are super correct in
| this fashion. The highest paid Bay Area city employees list
| is dominated by patrol officers.
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| They will engage in it in order to scam more out of their
| pension (it's based on their average pay/hours for the last N
| years). This means everyone collaborates to give the guys
| retiring more overtime to pump up his numbers.
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