[HN Gopher] Lost by Schoolgirls: A display of 17th century paper...
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Lost by Schoolgirls: A display of 17th century papercuts
Author : geox
Score : 76 points
Date : 2024-07-23 12:24 UTC (3 days ago)
(HTM) web link (www.nationaltrust.org.uk)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.nationaltrust.org.uk)
| webwielder2 wrote:
| What's normal to [them], amazes us!
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McbdzzqVtDA
| Anotheroneagain wrote:
| It seems the star may have been flattened, at least the version
| that I know is supposed to be 3D.
| pimlottc wrote:
| Got a link for making the 3d version?
| Anotheroneagain wrote:
| You can find many on
| youtube,https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZctVLoNMXQ for example
| gus_massa wrote:
| It looks similar to one of the origami my daughter used to
| make. I think it's 2D, but I should ask her.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| I wonder what the cost of these would have been at the time, I'm
| guessing paper was at least an order of magnitude more expensive
| and the purchasing power was lower.
| mbsd wrote:
| You will probably find this interesting
| https://www.folger.edu/blogs/collation/writing-paper-expensi...
|
| > To put this in perspective, the average laborer making 6-12
| pence a day could purchase up to 75 sheets of paper with a
| day's wages.
| Cerium wrote:
| The Paper Index: Today's minimum wage worker (pre tax) pay
| can buy about 170 times more paper (about 12k sheets per
| day).
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| It was a boarding school for girls at the time, so for the
| elite.
| inglor_cz wrote:
| There is an active manual paper mill in Czechia, one of the
| very last around Europe. Dates back to 1596 AD. You can book a
| tour around the facility and see people working in all stages
| of manual paper production.
|
| https://www.rpvl.cz/en/
|
| The paper is beautiful (and often used for diplomas etc.), but
| expensive as heck. A single A4 costs about a dollar.
| firewolf34 wrote:
| So many different little human trends, crafts, styles... lost to
| time. Makes you wonder what we're missing.
| bdjsiqoocwk wrote:
| From the looks of it, not much.
| pvaldes wrote:
| This is one of those histories that feel fake at the first sight.
|
| If the title claims that the paper was cut around 1674, I don't
| see the proofs anywhere. I see again a lack of critical thinking
| to spot available alternatives that are more logical, or a try to
| make the history more appealing.
|
| This paper seems made by a machine, does not have any fungus on
| it and is white (after 350 years should be yellow). Chemical
| processes to keep the paper white and free of fungus attack
| weren't invented until 1850.
|
| The floorboards may have 350 years, but the materials in those
| photos seem very 20th.
| goosedragons wrote:
| Paper turns yellow in part due to exposure to sunlight. You can
| see well preserved 17th century books today that are a similar
| whiteness and grain, not entirely covered in fugus either. A
| 20th century work would not have hen spelt as hean. There also
| appears to be foxing on both the fox and nude figure...
| gus_massa wrote:
| From the article:
|
| > _Dr Isabella Rosner, an expert in early modern material
| culture, identified the paper cuttings at Sutton House which
| are almost identical to only two other known surviving
| examples, one of which is a decorative box dating to the 1680s
| held in a collection at Witney Antiques in Oxfordshire._
|
| I was not able to find photos of the box in Google, but it look
| like they already have similar drawings of the same time.
| gus_massa wrote:
| Too late to edit:
|
| Since mid nineteen century, most paper is acidic. It's
| cheaper but it slowly self destroy
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidic_paper
|
| Older parer and non acidic paper survives better.
| OJFord wrote:
| These particular examples are claimed to have been left some
| time between when the school was created in the second half of
| the 18th century, and 1891 when it was taken over by 'St John's
| Church Institute, which provided skills-training and pastimes
| for young men from the parish church.'
|
| The longer 350 years refers to previous 'almost identical'
| examples found elsewhere. (Yes 'nearly 350 years ago' is a
| misleading title.)
|
| The National Trust took over the property before the war,
| discovering and preserving these artefacts during renovation in
| the 80s.
|
| It seems perfectly plausible to me, they just needed to stay
| dry.
| trte9343r4 wrote:
| London has high air moisture. All the oils and water from floor
| board would get through right to paper. One cleaning with a
| mop...
| InfamousRece wrote:
| Very old paper tends to stay white:
| https://bookcollecting.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/paper-cotton...
| ajb wrote:
| There was a similar one where they found paper aeroplanes in an
| old schoolhouse, that probably predated actual aeroplanes.
| Unfortunately the only report is in the Daily Mail, not exactly a
| reliable source:
|
| https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111963/Schoolboys-...
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