[HN Gopher] Academics shocked after T&F sells access to their re...
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       Academics shocked after T&F sells access to their research to
       Microsoft AI
        
       Author : chbint
       Score  : 21 points
       Date   : 2024-07-19 21:53 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | blackeyeblitzar wrote:
       | We need regulations that enforce positive consent. Otherwise,
       | this will keep happening.
        
         | nequo wrote:
         | We need to eliminate the rent seeking behavior of academic
         | publishers. They do not fund the research, do not fund the peer
         | review of the research, but pocket huge profit margins by
         | charging others[1] for access to it.
         | 
         | Edit: [1] By others, I mean our university libraries and any
         | poor soul who does not have membership in one. Today,
         | universities pay to access their own research.
        
           | pdonis wrote:
           | We need to eliminate the publishers period. Publishing on the
           | Internet is free.
        
             | chefandy wrote:
             | Publishers do a lot more than print things out. I'm not
             | saying that what they do is good, but "let's just put it on
             | the internet" doesn't replace publishers any more than
             | rideshares replace long-haul trucking.
        
           | malshe wrote:
           | As an academician I wholeheartedly support this. Some
           | journals are now charging thousands of dollars to make our
           | work open-access. This is an industry run by sociopaths.
        
         | constantcrying wrote:
         | Publicly funded science shouldn't be "published" by some
         | corporation, it should go directly into the public domain.
         | 
         | Having a totally artificial middleman makes no sense when
         | basically all publishing happens digitally. And the public
         | deserves full access to the science they have funded.
        
       | j_crick wrote:
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       | carbocation wrote:
       | The only thing I'm 'shocked' by is the idea that anyone needs to
       | pay to access my academic writing for model training. I would
       | hope that using my academic writing to train models would be
       | considered fair use.
        
         | BenFranklin100 wrote:
         | My thoughts exactly. See my comment below.
        
       | kalfHTA wrote:
       | This is a rotten thing to do by Taylor & Francis. Humans are
       | treated as expendable pawns to serve the capital and the machine.
       | 
       | We need new publishing models with strict copyright protections
       | that protect against theft. Academics should run their own
       | publishing houses as a cooperative.
        
         | cxr wrote:
         | [delayed]
        
         | freeone3000 wrote:
         | The entire _purpose_ of academic publishing is to widely
         | distribute knowledge. The co-op would break doen the absolutely
         | awful publishing fees to be sure, but... I'm not sure what
         | "theft" you feel took place here.
        
       | winddude wrote:
       | Aren't they also one of the academic publishers that's been
       | criticized for charging for access to articles, and the authors
       | don't get anything from the publication/distribution?
        
         | wsay wrote:
         | This is pretty much a standard model in academic publishing
        
       | BenFranklin100 wrote:
       | I'm kind of ok with this? I've written and had book chapters and
       | research articles published. I never thought I was in any sort of
       | position to restrict access. Publishing is about getting it out
       | there. Attribution might be an issue, but that is a separate
       | conversation and perhaps dealt with, if possible, by having LLM's
       | cite sources more accurately.
       | 
       | I have not kept up with the latest on LLM's and licensing, but
       | I'm curious: are scientific papers accessible to LLMs? Honestly,
       | a bigger societal loss in my view is publishers like Elsevier
       | restricting LLM access to research articles, rather than being
       | too permissive. I could not care less if Elsevier makes a little
       | bit of money in the process.
        
       | JSDevOps wrote:
       | If no one is going to learn from academic papers/data what's the
       | point in doing it? People care less and less about the impact
       | more about how much money it'll make them. If that's all you want
       | from it then be honest but don't complain when someone makes more
       | money from something than you.
        
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