[HN Gopher] Police warn of thieves using WiFi-jamming tech to di...
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Police warn of thieves using WiFi-jamming tech to disarm cameras,
alarms
Author : Bluestein
Score : 20 points
Date : 2024-07-18 21:48 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| djohnston wrote:
| Alternative solution- DA could actually start prosecuting theft.
| netsharc wrote:
| I DDG'ed "police shortage after covid" and these 2 articles
| support my belief that it's real: [1] [2]. [2] says hiring in
| 2023 is back up, but they're not out of the woods yet.
|
| It feels like the breakdown of social trust got worsened by the
| pandemic, and it has far-reaching effects. There's probably
| also emboldened many who've noticed we don't live in a police
| state, and getting away with crime (like surging an Apple Store
| with your friends) is actually possible. Of course people who
| resort to crime aren't the smartest to begin with, e.g. they
| don't know that stolen Apple devices will just be software-
| bricked...
|
| 1) https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-experiencing-
| police-...
|
| 2) https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-
| hiring-u...
|
| Edit to add: and the pandemic has also emboldened racist idiots
| like sibling comment saying "Stop being racist /s".
| batch12 wrote:
| I wonder what took them so long. Now, cameras I understand.
| Disarming an alarm via deauthing sounds implausible unless these
| panels are complete garbage. I have seen 'advanced' panels from
| alarm companies though that are simply an Android app +GPIO so I
| guess anything is possible...
| Bluestein wrote:
| > Android app +GPIO
|
| Ouch, right?
|
| Whatever happened to embedded-systems, aeronautics-quality
| software?
| p_j_w wrote:
| Aeronautics quality software is expensive.
| mouse_ wrote:
| Turns out most people will pay the same price for white label
| Android hardware.
| teamspirit wrote:
| Glad all my cameras are hard wired. I do need to look into off-
| site video recording though. Dream scenario: a home assistant
| automation that automatically uploads video when an alarm is
| triggered.
| Bluestein wrote:
| ... and an AI-driven "warning shots" turret :)
| Joel_Mckay wrote:
| Many FOSS programs have been around for ages:
|
| https://zoneminder.com/
|
| Having everything hardwired has its own set of issues. It is
| often better to have both a working visible "decoy wifi" kit
| people will identify/jam with ease, and a covert "Casino" 8k
| pin-hole option people will not be able to scan.
|
| Just remember mantraps (bastion double fire-doors/cages etc.)
| are usually illegal in most jurisdictions, and crackheads are
| unhealthy for the pet crocodiles anyway. =3
| ysacfanboi wrote:
| One solution is to throw out all those Ring cameras and get local
| storage solutions. After all, your data should belong to you.
| RIMR wrote:
| I run a couple local wired cameras with a week of onboard
| storage that stream to a VPS running DVR software with months
| of storage.
|
| Hardly uses my gigabit connection, and the cloud video is
| impossible to destroy by anyone with access to the cameras.
|
| And it's my own Linux server. Nobody is going to hand anything
| over to the authorities behind my back.
| Thorentis wrote:
| > VPS
|
| > nobody will hand anything over
|
| Uh, there's these things called subpoenas...
| anonym29 wrote:
| There's this thing called the internet, it's an
| interconnected network that allows people in one
| jurisdiction, say, the United States, to access servers in
| another jurisdiction, say, Russia, who is well-known to not
| cooperate with international law enforcement.
|
| Get an American court to issue a subpoena for the data on
| my Russian dedi. The judge and prosecutor will die of old
| age before they get so much as a boilerplate response in a
| Cyrillic alphabet.
| chatmasta wrote:
| You gotta find a Russian dedi that is unwilling to
| respond to subpoenas but also secure enough not to be
| compromised by the NSA, who presumably has an ongoing
| operation to monitor "sketchy hosts" and poke holes in
| them by signing up, testing the internal management
| infrastructure, etc...
| anonym29 wrote:
| NSA is not a law enforcement organization, and the
| national security need to keep NSA processess,
| techniques, tools, and practices as secret as possible is
| a powerful motivator to keep any traces of NSA
| capabilities far away from the legal discovery process of
| a courtroom. Parallel discovery is possible, but do you
| think the NSA is eager to risk tipping their hand to
| Russia just over some nobody's CCTV footage?
|
| I'm not that important.
| bennyg wrote:
| What _are_ the best wired cam/local storage solutions today?
| darknavi wrote:
| Reolink is fairly inexpensive but their apps are pretty
| lacking.
|
| Unifi Protect is my go-to because of usability but does
| (somewhat) rely on their SSO cloud login. All stored locally
| though on purchased NVRs and their app is soooo much better
| than Reolink's.
| egberts1 wrote:
| Reolink periodically phones home ... to China.
| kkfx wrote:
| If someone really have safety _wifi_ cam... It 's would be just
| natural selection. BTW cam have only one purpose, alerting. 99%
| of the time having evidence is useless, as a deterrence it's
| almost the same. They are effective only to alert a distant owner
| "something is happening in your property" and IF wired and well
| disposed get a chance to see what's wrong an instant before the
| shiny system die. Marginally they are requested for some
| insurances, at least to lower their price.
| egberts1 wrote:
| Standalone, VLAN over PoE 4K camera is next to impossible to
| find.
|
| Offline, selfhosted NVR coupled with private VPN for
| status/notification is the only way to go.
|
| Bonus if self-hosting on your own VPS for backup viewing (also
| thru private VPN).
| wkyleg wrote:
| I wonder if anyone uses Flipper Zeros for things like this yet.
| Cameras, garage doors, radio activated gates are usually very
| insecure. They were not built under the assumption that thieves
| could hack RFID devices easily.
|
| I don't want this to happen but it's kind of cool in a cyberpunk
| dystopia kind of way.
|
| https://flipperzero.one
| anonym29 wrote:
| The flipper zero is an FCC-approved toy with an itty bitty
| teeny tiny subset of the capabilities of proper wide-band SDR
| kit, e.g. HackRF One. This isn't due to firmware locks that can
| be jailbroken - there is no wide-band SDR hardware present.
| This is just a collection of a small handful of narrow-band SDR
| chips.
|
| Neither serious threat actors nor corporate red teams waste
| their time with such trivial things.
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