[HN Gopher] Virginia Woolf's list-making
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       Virginia Woolf's list-making
        
       Author : vinnyvichy
       Score  : 68 points
       Date   : 2024-07-15 01:52 UTC (21 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.ft.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.ft.com)
        
       | shoggouth wrote:
       | https://archive.ph/20240712074941/https://www.ft.com/content...
        
         | inquirerGeneral wrote:
         | Alternatively, FT has always allowed 95%+ of paywalls to be
         | bypassed by being referred from Bing. Copy subject, Bing.com,
         | paste, click FT, no paywall
        
           | stanislavb wrote:
           | Oh, what a "hack". I didn't expect that to be a thing.
           | Thanks!
        
           | _the_inflator wrote:
           | Great catch! Many years ago this worked exceptionally well
           | with Google translate.
        
           | nanna wrote:
           | Can't say this works for me, for this article at least.
        
           | thunderbong wrote:
           | This worked. Thanks!
        
           | pxeger1 wrote:
           | Anyone know why?
        
             | westcoast49 wrote:
             | I'm guessing it must be because of some kind of deal
             | between Microsoft and Financial Times. If that's so then
             | probably there are also similar deals with other
             | publishers.
             | 
             | Edit:
             | 
             | ChatGPT seems to disagree with me:
             | 
             | https://chatgpt.com/share/8b85ea2f-86bc-4c63-91fc-e32482c8e
             | 5...
             | 
             | (It says that it's more likely just an unintended side-
             | effect of the mechanism that FT.com uses to let search
             | engines like Bing or Google index their full articles.)
        
               | JoelMcCracken wrote:
               | This is what I've heard in the past: the companies want
               | their articles to be recommended by search engines, but
               | want the consumer to pay for it.
        
           | miobrien wrote:
           | Cool! Any other sites this works for?
        
       | seanhunter wrote:
       | For people who are interested in Virginia Woolf as a novelist, I
       | would strongly recommend "Mrs Dalloway" as a starting point. It's
       | an incredible novel - startlingly modern and beautifully
       | written.[1]
       | 
       | In terms of her essay writing, "A room of one's own"[2] is
       | probably most famous/influential, although from a personal
       | perspective I didn't find it as enjoyable to read as Mrs
       | Dalloway. In general I prefer novels to essays so take that
       | however you like.
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       | [1] Btw my recommendation is don't read anything about it
       | beforehand. Synopses/cliff notes/the wikipedia entry will
       | probably ruin the experience for you. The book is about really
       | getting inside the head of certain characters and understanding
       | their thoughts and motivations. If that sounds interesting to
       | you, then that's all you need to know to dive in.
       | 
       | [2] https://victorianpersistence.wordpress.com/wp-
       | content/upload...
        
         | lifefeed wrote:
         | On the other side, for people who are interested in Virginia
         | Woolf as a novelist _and_ wanna get fucked up, check out
         | "Orlando".
        
           | seanhunter wrote:
           | Yes indeed. It's quite a journey. I think I wasn't quite
           | ready for it the first time so it's on my list to visit again
           | soon.
        
           | zzzbra wrote:
           | I didn't realize the film was based on one of her works!
           | Pretty neat
        
           | mdmoll wrote:
           | Followed by Jacqueline Harpman's Orlanda
        
         | everybodyknows wrote:
         | Why _Mrs. Dalloway_ rather than _To the Lighthouse_?
        
           | seanhunter wrote:
           | That is also of course a great novel but _Mrs Dalloway_ was
           | the thing that really made me realise how special she was as
           | a writer, so that 's what I would personally recommend. It
           | may be that had such an impact on me because I read it before
           | _To the Lighthouse_ and if I read them in the opposite order
           | perhaps I would feel differently.
        
           | bzhang255 wrote:
           | I would agree with suggesting Dalloway before To The
           | Lighthouse, because I think Dalloway is generally more
           | concrete and attainable. To The Lighthouse takes Woolf's
           | characteristic stream-of-consciousness interiority a step
           | further and can also be very roundabout in its approach to
           | the "thing" that a character is actually thinking about or
           | trying to say. It's also a bit more experimental in its form,
           | and can be overall a bit harder to "grasp". I think someone
           | new to Woolf would benefit from having Dalloway as an
           | opportunity not only to get used to her style of writing,
           | which will help smooth the learning curve if you decide to
           | read To The Lighthouse, but also to form a judgement of her
           | in a more "typical" setting so that you can decide if she
           | merits your working through her more experimental works.
           | Cheers.
        
           | aaroninsf wrote:
           | Or _The Waves_ which is arguably the equal of _Ulysses_.
        
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