[HN Gopher] A reawakening of systems programming meetups
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A reawakening of systems programming meetups
Author : paulgb
Score : 209 points
Date : 2024-07-07 13:20 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| Aurornis wrote:
| > I used to attend a bunch of meetups before the pandemic. But I
| quickly got disillusioned. Almost every meetup was varying
| degrees of startups pitching their product. The last straw for me
| was sitting through a talk at a JavaScript meetup that was by a
| devrel employee of a startup who literally gave a tutorial for
| their product.
|
| My favorite local meetups fell to problems like this.
|
| It was easy to filter out the DevRel people trying to advertise.
| The hard problem was filtering out people who were only
| interested in presenting something so they could show another
| presentation on their resume or personal brand website, with no
| interest in engaging with the meetup.
|
| These people would want to only show up for the one meetup where
| they got to present. They'd present some simple content designed
| to make them look good, with little regard to educating or
| discussing things. They'd often have some excuse for needing to
| leave quickly after presenting, some times before any QA time.
|
| And they always needed a video recording of themselves speaking.
| For a while we had these to stream to remote viewers, but if the
| camera gear wasn't available they'd panic and spend a lot of time
| improvising a way to record it with their phone even if delayed
| the presentation. Getting the recording of themselves speaking
| was the primary goal, not actually speaking to the group.
|
| After this happens enough times, the core members realize they're
| being used as audience props for someone's career advancement and
| they stop coming. The meetup collapses.
|
| I hope my local meetup groups can have a little resurgence like
| this where people are primarily interested in the meetup, not the
| self promotion opportunity.
| tombert wrote:
| Yeah, it annoys me that a lot of functional programming stuff
| kind of fell into cryptocurrency startups.
|
| There definitely is interesting enough tech behind crypto, but
| a lot of these talks end up kind of devolving into why their
| product is amazing and better than all the other coins and why
| you should invest in their ICO.
| cachvico wrote:
| Haskell?
| hiAndrewQuinn wrote:
| Cardano?
| tombert wrote:
| Last meetup I saw it was an OCaml meetup.
| atmosx wrote:
| Communities without some kind of curation don't survive in the
| long run. That should be, historically at least, clear by now.
| griftrejection wrote:
| The solution is simple: vet the talks, vet the presenter, and
| don't focus on technology that is popular for grifting. Sorry,
| but I've been to enough JS/TS meetups to know what's happening.
| But that world is full of marketing and people who want
| funding. Compare this to a BSD meetup or a 2600 meetup.
| Nobody's trying to sell you stuff there.
| 1oooqooq wrote:
| this is a problem of the job market.
|
| most celebrated talks are from people well employed for life so
| they can talk shit at some system or protocol. from upnp to the
| persistent compiler worm talks.
|
| those folks didn't expect to depend on their resume padding
| every 3 to 8 months to live.
|
| likewise the people organizing the talks didn't depends on the
| status sending devRel people to expect sponsors.
|
| this is exactly what doctorow is yapping about lately. but
| everyone only accept small points of the big picture.
| 1oooqooq wrote:
| * startups sending devRel
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| It can be a chicken/egg problem. If you run a meetup, you need
| to meet regularly to create a community and keep members
| engaged. If you want to meet relatively regularly then you need
| something to meet about. Sometimes it's hard to get someone to
| present, so you have to fallback to people who need more
| incentive to present.
|
| In a perfect world, a great sponsor would provide a free space
| for everyone to meet and great community members would spend
| hours preparing amazing content to teach the community
| something without gaining much for themselves. But, that
| combination is pretty rare these days unfortunately.
| ssivark wrote:
| There seem to be a few obvious tweaks to try:
|
| 1. (Apart from the first few meetings, for bootstrapping)
| presenters must have attended a few meetings before they get a
| chance to present.
|
| 2. No mentions of one's employer / product beyond the intro
| slide.
|
| There's nothing special about these two suggestions; the
| general idea is that the organizers ought to be sensitive to
| what is happening, and responsive in trying to maintain a
| healthy atmosphere.
|
| Someone trying to organize a meetup might find some helpful
| ideas in the following book:
| https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49766350-get-together
| eatonphil wrote:
| I get what you, and other commenters here, are going for. But
| getting speakers is still hard in the first place. And as I
| mentioned in the post, I see high quality talks as 100%
| marketing. They're just marketing for your engineering team,
| rather than for your product. I think we'd have trouble
| attracting the high quality speakers we do today if we set
| restrictions some commenters have suggested such as attending
| the meetup multiple times, not mentioning the company, etc.
|
| We're pretty picky with speakers we invite but also quite
| flexible once we've invited someone we think will be good. I
| think it's worked out pretty well for the audience and
| speakers. At least, that is what they all tell me.
| danenania wrote:
| I like your approach and think it sounds very balanced.
| Creating and preparing for a high quality talk is quite a lot
| of work, so it's maybe a bit unfair to expect people with
| jobs or startups to do them for purely altruistic reasons.
|
| A talk that is mostly substance but contains a quick plug
| here and there has always been reasonable to me. It's also a
| lot more effective for marketing than just giving a blatant
| product pitch, so it should be a win-win.
| bboygravity wrote:
| Counter point: I've been to Filipino meetups (Raid the fridge)
| where companies (even traditional/established banks) presented
| new products and services they'd been trying to launch mixed in
| with some company history.
|
| They'd talk about the tech used, the difficulties (tech,
| business, legal, market) encountered and how they worked around
| those.
|
| It was definitely more than just a sales pitch even when there
| was some of that at times. A mix of business stories,
| engineering, R&D stories, law, finance and general company and
| even country history.
|
| I found it fascinating and overal great. To the point where it
| felt like a night out to enjoy entertainment. Not just the
| talks but the social meetup part of it as well. Maybe its a
| cultural thing, but I found companies there refreshingly open
| and honest about the way things had gone.
| convolvatron wrote:
| just tried to look - SF distributed systems meetup was a one-shot
| affair?
| msgilligan wrote:
| I'm hoping that is not the case. I signed up in the hopes there
| will be more.
| convolvatron wrote:
| I suppose we could meet at Lovejoy's tea room and talk about
| our favorite parts of the paxos paper
| screye wrote:
| I'm surprised that universities don't open their doors to such
| events for everyone.
|
| 'Systems' is fairly industry-focused. So, academia-industry
| partnerships on seminars seems like a great idea.
|
| It's a shame (and imo, mind boggling) that SF proper doesn't have
| a tier 1 university. While Stanford and Berkeley are very close,
| the lack of a grounding institution makes SF culture feel
| 'dispersed'.
| mechanicker wrote:
| Would love UC Berkeley to revive innovation and collaboration
| as seen during the BSD days.
| musicale wrote:
| So RISC-V isn't enough for you? ;-)
|
| More seriously, it does seem like there were a number of
| interesting systems research and development collaborations
| in the 1980s: BSD at Berkeley, Athena at MIT, Andrew at CMU,
| etc.
|
| Currently it seems like the interest, funding, opportunities,
| and incentives for academic researchers are largely for
| short-term projects and AI/ML rather than long-term, ongoing
| systems projects. The modern funding and publishing landscape
| seems to emphasize speed and quantity over quality and
| impact.
|
| Moreover, it seems that companies with deep pockets
| (Microsoft, Apple, Nvidia) may be less likely to collaborate
| with and/or fund academic projects as IBM and DEC did in the
| 1980s. It could be that those partnerships weren't hugely
| beneficial for AT&T, IBM and DEC's businesses.
| Aurornis wrote:
| > I'm surprised that universities don't open their doors to
| such events for everyone
|
| You have to be very careful about letting people use your
| facilities to host events.
|
| Unfortunately, grifters will use any opportunity to do
| something on a university campus as a way to imply they are
| associated with the university.
|
| Even self-help author Tim Ferriss recommended this trick in his
| "Four Hour Work Week" book: He advised using university
| campuses to speak so you could leverage their credibility for
| your brand (I can't remember the exact details)
|
| It became such a problem that universities really can't risk
| letting random groups come use their facilities. It doesn't
| take long before someone abuses it to say they "Lectured at
| <university>" or "Gave a speech at <university>"
| weinzierl wrote:
| The mentioned TUMuchdata requires a signed form, in German,
| handed over in person (not email) to join their community.
|
| I think this is not required to just attend one of their
| events. The events are at the university campus which is
| quite off, and makes it relatively inconvenient to get there
| if you are not at the university anyway.
|
| So, I guess they found a viable filter.
| Aurornis wrote:
| My closest community college allows venue rentals. The
| filter is that few people think it's prestigious to speak
| at the local community college.
| II2II wrote:
| I work at a government facility that offers venue
| rentals. The rental contract states the facility name
| must not be used in order to avoid the scenario where
| someone tries to make a private event sound like it is
| endorsed by the government.
|
| Oddly enough, the facility name gives the impression it
| is affiliated with an unrelated institution. This results
| in interesting conversations where one starts by
| dissuading grifting based upon the implied affiliation,
| and ends by telling them they are barking up the wrong
| tree when they try grifting based upon the actual
| affiliation.
|
| If these people did not exist, many institutions would be
| far more generous with their space. That is especially
| true of colleges and universities, where there is often a
| strong desire to foster positive relationships with the
| community.
| WanderPanda wrote:
| Also that level of hustle is not (yet) common in Germany I
| believe
| pointy_hat wrote:
| You can attend all events without signing a form, I'm
| pretty sure no one would also mind if you volunteer without
| being a member.
|
| The form is only a thing in case you'd like to support a
| registered nonprofit and has no influence on your
| participation.
|
| (EDIT) there are also events in the city, Munich Database
| Meetup, which are less frequent.
| mzinsmeister wrote:
| Just to clarify some stuff here (from an actual TUMuchData
| management team member):
|
| The form is not really relevant for our events, it's just
| to support us. Since we have made the decision of being a
| MUNICH BASED IN PERSON club to get the maximum networking
| and social experience, we also wanted to make sure our
| actual club members will fulfill these criteria. That's why
| we have the paper form in person policy.
|
| There will be some member-only events but those are more
| social events or maybe ones with very limited spots but
| usually access to events will be public.
|
| Our events are not exclusively on the Garching campus. As
| you already found out we have two major formats:
|
| 1. The weekly paper reading group which is mostly
| researchers (mostly PhD students, sometimes professors)
| presenting their research or a single paper. Some weeks we
| have industry talks instead. These events are in Garching
| and only during the lecture period because they are mostly
| targeted towards students (we are a student club after all)
| so that they can learn more about the very relevant
| database research that is happening at TUM and how it's
| applied in industry.
|
| 2. Monthy or bi-monthy Munich Database Meetups which are
| more targeted towards industry and bringing together
| industry, students and researchers from academia. Those
| events will usually have more than one talk unlike our
| weekly events, the talks will mostly have speakers from
| industry (usually 2). They will usually be somewhere in the
| city center of Munich to make sure industry people will get
| there easier. We usually try to get some location at some
| company. We already had them at CodeCentric, Google and
| JetBrains.
|
| For both formats we try to make sure we get deep technical
| talks about mostly database systems internals. For the
| research talks they are usually very deeply technical
| anyway and for the industry talks (including meetups) we
| are working on guidelines to make sure they know what type
| of talk we expect.
| musicale wrote:
| Many US universities seem happy to rent out their facilities
| over the summer, but you have to pay.
| weinzierl wrote:
| The mentioned TUMuchdata is held at an university. I think a
| lot depends on the individuals behind such activities.
|
| I don't know anyone behind TUMuchdata and had no contact to the
| department for years but the chair is still the same as when I
| studied there and I think he might be exactly the person that
| would permit or even foster such activities.
| mzinsmeister wrote:
| While we get a lot of support from all three database related
| chairs at TUM we like to highlight that we are an independent
| non-profit initiated, founded and run exclusively by students
| (which includes PhD students like me by now). We were founded
| with the main mission of making sure normal bachelors and
| masters CS students know about the high quality database
| research at TUM with projects like HyPer and now Umbra.
| musicale wrote:
| Many universities have seminars that are open to the public,
| online or/and in person.
| azinman2 wrote:
| It does have UCSF which is tier 1; it's just medically focused.
| aijfedklmnop wrote:
| Systems have been cleaved in two for who knows what purposes.
| Systems have always deserved a proper segregation from product,
| that's been lost in this new paradigm.
| weinzierl wrote:
| > _First off, don 't pay for anything yourself. Find a company
| who will host. At the same time, don't feel the need to give in
| too much to the demands of the company. _
|
| Or go the same route as the mentioned TUMuchdata[1] which
| apparently kicked off the activities in the post.
|
| They are simply meeting at their university. I know at least one
| Rust Meetup near them, that deliberately decided to meet at the
| public library (with permission) and forgo any company
| sponsorships.
|
| [1] The pun here is that TUM is the common abbreviation for
| Technical University Munich.
| mzinsmeister wrote:
| We are very lucky to have both the university to host our
| weekly events and also to have Alex Petrov on our side who is
| very well connected to all kinds of companies and helps us a
| lot in finding venues for our Munich Database Meetup which we
| only organize once every 1-2 months or so.
| walterbell wrote:
| _> I started feeling a bit embarrassed that a graduate student
| had more guts than I had to get back onto the meetup organizer
| wagon._
|
| Inter-generational perpetual embarrassment engine for innovation.
| demondemidi wrote:
| Meetup.com was on fire with maker, programming, and tech meetups
| in Portland in 2010-2014. Some were huge (I recall the auditorium
| for Puppet Labs wall-to-wall one point). Then ... _poof_. All
| gone, even before the pandemic. And it was super diverse topics:
| everything from NodeJS & Rust, and HTML1.0 to startups,
| manufacturing, and IoT hacking: heck, there was meetup for RF
| circuit enthusiasts! I just checked and there's still CTRL-H
| going strong, but not much else.
|
| From what I heard from two regular organizers is that it is just
| a LOT of work to run a consistently solid meetup, and eventually
| exhausting. I can see that: I remember thinking, "I could help
| but do I really want to use my small amount of free time for
| this?" So, hats off to people who ran those awesome meetups
| (Thubten, I'm looking at you!).
| 01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote:
| Exhausting plus everyone has to make a meetup account plus
| meetup started charging more and more plus why not just use
| Facebook since I'm the only one without a Facebook account
|
| Maybe a federated alternative will take off soon. It would be
| nice if email was federated in practice
| shagie wrote:
| https://joinmobilizon.org/en/ (
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilizon )
|
| Also from a few days ago - Show HN: Radius - A Meetup.com
| alternative https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40717398
| walterbell wrote:
| _> Meetup.com was on fire with maker, programming, and tech
| meetups in Portland in 2010-2014. Some were huge (I recall the
| auditorium for Puppet Labs wall-to-wall one point). Then ...
| poof. All gone, even before the pandemic._
| [2017] Acquired by WeWork [2018] Founder steps down as
| CEO [2019] New pricing model [2020] WeWork sold it
| to AlleyCorp [2024] Bending Spoons announced it will
| acquire Meetup
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meetup
| demondemidi wrote:
| That explains it! Son of a b....
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| same thing happened in philly about the same time.
| itqwertz wrote:
| I also used to go to meetups every week in Portland during that
| time!
|
| It was great, free beer and pizza definitely helped me when i
| was struggling to get my career off the ground. Janrain had a
| great meetup space (old Nike basketball court with risers) with
| awesome tech topics that exposed the vast world of tech to a
| noob like me. Puppet Labs, Urban Airship, and New Relic also
| had top-tier meetups. Intel in Hillsboro was usually worth the
| MAX trip out there. Tons of swag, food, and opportunities for
| employment.
|
| The real issue with these meetups is that the money dried up.
| Most of the meetups had recruiters who were desperate to hire
| and sponsorship helped fund these meetups. Now that WFH is
| widely acceptable, there's little incentive to court talent
| locally. Zoom meetups feel inorganic and lifeless, although
| they cost very little. There was a gold rush feel during the
| 2010's, but I feel like that time is over. Cost-cutting,
| outsourcing, and the AI hype are leading to software becoming a
| less prestigious career than it once was. I don't see this
| optimism coming back any time soon.
| mlhpdx wrote:
| I would love to attend a systems-oriented meetup in Portland,
| and would be willing to organize/operate it though I'm quite
| bad at that kind of thing.
| sausajez wrote:
| Strange you say this, I just got together with a bunch of people
| and revived an old user group that I used to run, seems like
| there's a itch to get out and socialise again
| billfor wrote:
| The old DECUS meetings were fun.
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECUS
| shae wrote:
| Who's up for one in Boston? I'll organize if I can find some
| speakers.
| kaizoku20 wrote:
| +1
| rahuldave wrote:
| Count me in on organizing as well. And not just for systems but
| ml/llm adjacent infra and databases as well. Things like arrow
| and lancedb for example
| tstack wrote:
| There's a handmade meetup in Boston you might want to check out
| -- https://handmadecities.com/meetups/
| otras wrote:
| Just the other day, I was checking to see if there were any
| active ones in the Boston area. I'd definitely be up for one,
| and I'd be more than happy to do a talk and/or help organize.
| __turbobrew__ wrote:
| I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and
| can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of
| empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually
| impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable
| meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core
| group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to
| different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one point but the
| political tides changed there and we got kicked out. I think
| having strong buy in from someone in the C-suite of a company is
| the only real way to do it. Otherwise you are beholden to the
| changing winds of the company.
|
| In the end we are now in a stable location in the local library,
| but only because we had someone on the inside. Previously when we
| approached the library we were stone walled without someone to
| grease the wheels.
|
| I do believe that it should be a mandate for the municipality to
| provide meeting space for local non-profit and special interest
| groups. In many locations you can no longer pool some money with
| your buddies to buy a piece of land to build your clubhouse on.
| In my city there are many such clubs which were formed 50 years
| ago -- the sailing club, the badminton club, the lawn bowling
| club, etc -- but land is too scarce in many places now and we
| need the municipalities to pick up the slack.
| packetlost wrote:
| > I do believe that it should be a mandate for the municipality
| to provide meeting space for local non-profit and special
| interest groups.
|
| I never realized this was something that was needed so bad, but
| yeah. In my city we have a bunch of privately owned venues that
| you can _rent_ , but the cost ranges from reasonable to very
| _not_ reasonable. To be fair, a lot of my local technical
| meetups just hang out at one of the quieter restaurant /bars in
| the area and it seems to work ok for them. The downside is you
| don't have any way to present anything. Another group I
| regularly go to is a local DefCon chapter that rents out space
| above a "barcade" (arcade + bar) and aside from being a bit hot
| in the summer, the vibes are great and the community doubly so.
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| I know some groups meet at a city library (many of them have
| meeting rooms that can be booked for free or for a small
| fee).
|
| We had this same problem and ended up starting a (non-profit)
| makerspace where we now host several meetups. It's win/win
| really. We are all about building community and bringing
| people together with similar interests is a great way to do
| that. It has also helped us get more paying members.
| citizenpaul wrote:
| With GPS its not so much the location but thr change in time
| commitment. The new location is never 5 min from the preious
| but 30-45 min difference. People in these groups often have
| busy lives so if your 3hrs suddenly becomes 4hrs its simply
| less of a headache to cut the unnecessary thing rather than
| change 50 other things in your schedule. Eventually this
| scheduking effect shakes off all thr people in the group with
| other time commitments.
| __turbobrew__ wrote:
| Yes, generally people are adverse to change and like routine.
| Going to a new location requires figuring out how long it
| takes to get there, where do you park or get on/off transit,
| where is the building entrance, where within the building do
| you go, etc.
|
| It is important to have consistency in time, location, and
| consistency to build a thriving meetup.
| theamk wrote:
| That's what "community centers" are for!
|
| A town next to mine has one of those, and any town resident can
| rent a room for a reasonable amount of money ($20 to $70/hour
| depending on room size). So as long as at least one group
| member is from the right town, the room is guaranteed.
| floren wrote:
| But unless you're going to ask for contributions, this means
| the organizers are footing the bill every time -- and in my
| opinion, once you start collecting money you've doubled the
| complexity.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| But can you really guarantee it at the same time every week?
| __turbobrew__ wrote:
| In my experience $20-$70 an hour is too much. We were offered
| $50/hour meeting space at a local incubator, but the numbers
| never added up.
|
| It is hard enough to get people to show up if it is free,
| requiring people to pay to attend a casual meetup would not
| work in our situation. Who is going to foot the multi
| thousand dollar per year bill for meeting space?
|
| This is why municipalities need to provide this space for
| free. It is a very hard burden to get a single person to foot
| the bill for meeting space, whereas the municipality can
| charge everyone $50/year on their property taxes and build
| meeting spaces which everyone gets to use. People love to
| moan about taxes but I think this is one of those problems
| solved better in the collective.
| aijfedklmnop wrote:
| I wouldn't shy away from some exclusivity in order to keep the
| venue size reasonable.
| floren wrote:
| > In the end we are now in a stable location in the local
| library, but only because we had someone on the inside.
| Previously when we approached the library we were stone walled
| without someone to grease the wheels.
|
| I ran into this sort of problem when trying to put together an
| explicitly non-profit tech meetup (talk about your projects,
| nothing commercial allowed, no cost to attend) at my local
| library; because I wasn't a "community group" but rather just
| somebody trying to assemble a loose group of individuals from
| around the Bay, they wouldn't let me do it.
| Aeolun wrote:
| > I do believe that it should be a mandate for the municipality
| to provide meeting space for local non-profit and special
| interest groups.
|
| Japan has these. There's local community centers basically
| everywhere which can be used as a meeting space for a token fee
| (I think it was like $5/hour last I checked). My local center
| in the middle of Tokyo is just three floors of rooms that
| people can use for whatever they need.
| valenterry wrote:
| I'm interested and I need this. Do you have some additional
| info for me maybe? Thank you!!!
| bboygravity wrote:
| In 2024 Japan you could also just buy a house for 10k USD and
| call it your club house :p
| neilv wrote:
| Even when a company offers meeting space, they can be
| overbearing about it.
|
| I was involved a tiny bit in reviving a local interest group of
| high-powered programmers. Another person, who did all the
| actual hard work, of meeting organizing, got meeting space at a
| Big Tech company...
|
| Unfortunately, as a Big Tech (and in the surveillance capialism
| space), it was complete with signing in with security in the
| lobby, getting a guest badge for the visit, going to whatever
| presumable compartmentalized area, and the company presumably
| doing all the snooping things they could think of...
|
| Every time I considered going to a meeting, the idea of going
| out of my way to be Big Tech's b-word, before I even got into
| the meeting, was a turn-off.
|
| I like your community centers idea. The public libraries here
| have some meeting rooms. Sometimes someone at a university
| department can open up meeting space to the public.
|
| Someone else mentioned makerspaces, which is an idea I hadn't
| thought of, but maybe complementary to makerspaces, as well as
| great marketing for adding members.
| bsder wrote:
| > I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group
| and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue.
|
| While venues are difficult, don't overlook the added
| complications that are caused by _insurance_.
|
| A lot of "venues" want you to show that you are carrying
| liability insurance. That means you have to be an actual
| 501(c)3 along with a bank account.
| torontopizza wrote:
| I started a Toronto meetup with people here on HN and the
| Fediverse.
|
| Running a stable IRL meetup is a lot of work!
| kewbish wrote:
| Curious if you have a link to your event page?
| devdao wrote:
| Toronto's Tech Pizza Mondays
| https://social.linux.pizza/@Techpizzamondays
|
| If you're here, you belong and you are invited and welcome
| toyg wrote:
| _> although 60 people say Yes initially, by the time of the event
| we have typically gotten about 50 people in attendance_
|
| That's actually pretty good. Most free events (of any kind) will
| typically see attendance rates around 30-50% of RSVPs.
| mattrighetti wrote:
| I recently moved to London and I wanted to start participating in
| these kind of events, where's the best place to look for them?
| paulgb wrote:
| I haven't been to one yet, but from afar I hear great things
| about the London Future of Coding meetups.
| mgaunard wrote:
| There are regular C++ meetups, which I expect would cover
| systems programming.
|
| It seems however cloud/web people have a different idea of what
| systems programming is.
| twic wrote:
| Is that ACCU, or someone else now?
| mgaunard wrote:
| ACCU London is not very active anymore, I think CppLondon
| pretty much took over (it was the same guy as the CppOnSea
| conference, but I think he started asking other people to
| arrange it now).
|
| I don't know if it's that great these days, but it's a
| meetup I used to present at in the past, and I remember
| having fun getting beers with attendees afterwards.
| vsgherzi wrote:
| Ive been struggling to find good meetups in the san diego los
| angeles area. meetup.com seems pretty dead.. any suggestions?
| zeristor wrote:
| In London there was Skillsmatter's Code Node. Skillsmatter had
| trouble getting continued funding, however CodeNode itself is
| used occasionally for some meeting tech things apparently, but
| not the continualy hosting 5 days a week of tech meetups it was
| so loved for.
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