[HN Gopher] Show HN: I've made a cheaper SEO research tool
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Show HN: I've made a cheaper SEO research tool
In the last 13 months I've spent total $1297 for Ahrefs
subscription. Sounds like a little too much so I've build my own
Keywords Research tool - Telescope. While building it my total
bill was $51 for 2 months and 41k+ keywords found. Every page of
keywords costs $0.03 - $0.05. 2 payment options - usage-based
subscription or just top up your balance with the amount you'd like
to. Telescope includes a couple of things: - Keywords Explorer -
finding keywords based on seed phrase and filters - Keywords Ideas
- keywords on interception on provided keywords - Ranked Keywords
- keywords a domain you specified with their positions and change
since last DB update - Saved Keywords - to store found keywords
and plan the SEO strategy I've put a lot of love into it and would
love to get some feedback. IMPORTANT: every new account gets some
free balance to start with. Appreciate it!
Author : kulhavy
Score : 179 points
Date : 2024-07-05 11:27 UTC (11 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (withtelescope.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (withtelescope.com)
| cranberryturkey wrote:
| looks cool do you have a trial version?
| kulhavy wrote:
| There is no trial version, but there is a "trial" balance you
| get after a sign up to try the application. Feel free to
| contact me on X (Twitter) @ilyakulhavy if you need a little
| more, thank you!
| rexreed wrote:
| Are you also on LinkedIn? I stopped using X a while back and
| I have a bunch of questions on keywords and the site.
| kulhavy wrote:
| https://www.linkedin.com/in/keksonov/ here I'm too
|
| @kulhavy in telegram
| hyperfuturism wrote:
| You don't have DMs open on Twitter, I think. I have some
| questions!
| kulhavy wrote:
| https://www.linkedin.com/in/keksonov/ here I'm too
|
| @kulhavy in telegram
| nickreese wrote:
| Dropped you a note.
| merlindru wrote:
| Instantly bookmarked! Great landing page, will definitely check
| this out. Keep up the great work :)
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you!
|
| We're working right now on adding On Page + Backlinks into the
| app so Telescope becomes go-to solution for SEO
| edweis wrote:
| Your logo is very similar to https://insomnia.rest/
| kulhavy wrote:
| Haha you're right. Wasn't thinking about Insomnia while making
| a logo. Thanks for the reference!
| weinzierl wrote:
| Both are similar to the Lua programming language logo, which is
| probably the oldest of the three:
|
| https://www.lua.org/
| raimille1 wrote:
| Awesome!! Congrats on the value prop and landing!! Very clear.
|
| I run a marketplace in Brazil (kwara.com.br) and we happen to be
| focusing on SEO at the moment! What's your coverage in Portuguese
| / Brazilian market keywords? Or is it US only at the moment?
|
| (Ps, I don't mind the tool itself being in english)
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you!
|
| We have 150M+ keywords for Brazil (PT) and 30M+ for Portugal
| (PT) and tons of other countries/languages too
| iambateman wrote:
| Thanks for sharing! There's so much opportunity to build lower
| cost tools here. Very cool.
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you!
|
| Our main goal is to make it affordable for makers like us.
| Paying $140\m doesn't seem like a good idea and not many has
| such a budged, so here is our solution
| baxtr wrote:
| What I learned recently was that all the SEO tool basically query
| the same back end provider.
|
| So I guess it makes sense that there is innovation on the pricing
| model side of things.
|
| We use ubersuggest which has a lifetime pricing, quite neat.
| kulhavy wrote:
| You're right, that's exactly what out though process was. Thank
| you!
| matrik wrote:
| what's the name of the backend provider?
| kulhavy wrote:
| I'd prefer not to tell, thank you for understanding!
| alangibson wrote:
| That just confirmed that you're using "the same backend
| provider."
|
| Buy itself that's not bad. The problem is that if you're
| doing what everyone else is doing, then you're probably not
| realizing any efficiencies. That means your prices will
| eventually mirror everyone elses.
| weinzierl wrote:
| I am confused.
|
| I always thought keyword tools use both: backlink data and
| estimated search volumes.
|
| For example ahrefs has, to the best of my knowledge, its
| own crawler for backlink data but mostly buys search volume
| estimates.
|
| Does your tool offer search volume estimates at all and
| does it come from the same provider as the backlink data?
| glenngillen wrote:
| Majestic
| kulhavy wrote:
| I can say it's not that one, if it's that important to know
| - DataForSEO is our provider for every aspect at the
| moment.
| nprateem wrote:
| What's the rough pricing if you don't mind my asking?
| Their pricing is buried behind contact forms.
| kulhavy wrote:
| It depends. ~$0.01-$0.03 per query
| mikkom wrote:
| Please enlighten us about the backend provider, I'm interested.
| It seems the OP of this thread is using the same backend as
| he's not willing to tell it.
|
| edit: Ubersuggest mentioned by someone says in dev blog
|
| https://neilpatel.com/blog/ubersuggest-update/
|
| > My data feed from SEO Power Suite, Data For SEO, and Shared
| Count totaled $75,253 for January.
|
| Is this the backend mentioned?
|
| Some direct links for others interested in this
|
| https://www.link-assistant.com/backlink-api.html
|
| https://dataforseo.com/
|
| https://www.sharedcount.com/
| baxtr wrote:
| I casually read it on twitter, I can't find it anymore.
| Bummer. I should have bookmarked it
| mikkom wrote:
| I fortunately found some details myself too (edited the
| parent), thanks anyway
| RamblingCTO wrote:
| Great, thanks for sharing!
| weinzierl wrote:
| At first glance these look like sources for backlink data to
| me, which is the easy part.
|
| I think the real value of a keyword tool like ahrefs lies in
| the estimated search volume which comes from different
| sources than the backlinks.
|
| Is this about a monopolistic provider of backlink data or
| search volume estimates?
| 55555 wrote:
| The search volume estimates come from creating massive
| amounts of accounts that scrape Google Keyword Tool.
| weinzierl wrote:
| This would be funny, because the sales pitch of some
| prominent keyword tools is, that Google Keyword Tool
| can't be trusted.
| nickfromseattle wrote:
| Ahrefs says "and other third party data sources to find
| keywords" [0]
|
| Pretty sure they buy data from software tools like free
| anti-virus scanners, toolbars, chrome extensions, VPNs,
| etc that resell their user's web browsing history. This
| is called "click stream data".
|
| [0] https://help.ahrefs.com/en/articles/78119-where-do-
| you-get-t...
| knuckleheads wrote:
| Would that happen to be Majestic by chance?
| weinzierl wrote:
| Interesting! I always thought, this kind of data was collected
| from a plethora of borderline shady browser plugins (SEO
| plugins amongst them, ironically), toolbars and alt-browsers.
|
| This is also, why I think the data must be _heavily_ biased.
| For example the HN demographic must be severely
| underrepresented, because most of us are careful what we
| install.
| nickfromseattle wrote:
| > why I think the data must be heavily biased.
|
| This is correct, but you can estimate the bias.
|
| B2B keywords typically have 2-5x higher search volume/month
| than the popular tools estimate, for exactly the reason you
| provided. More sophisticated searchers aren't installing
| random anti-virus, VPNs, and plugins the SEO tools rely on to
| calculate keyword search volume.
| cmer wrote:
| Very nice! Awesome landing page!
|
| FYI, the `www` version of your domain doesn't resolve. You might
| want to add a redirect.
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you!
|
| Oh, you're right! We'll fix this one asap
| tethys wrote:
| Do you offer an API? My issue with most keyword tools is that
| their APIs suck, with tight limits that force you to only request
| data in bulk, and so on.
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hey!
|
| No, and we don't plan to have an API yet. Thank you!
| tethys wrote:
| That's unfortunate! I would immediately pitch this tool to my
| SEO colleagues if it had a (fairly priced) API :)
| Bewelge wrote:
| The background-color and content is missing when pressing the
| little question mark next to keyword details on the pricing page.
|
| Also thank you for sharing and congratulations on shipping. Will
| definitely try this out in the coming days!
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you for feedback!
|
| We'll fix this asap
| TecoAndJix wrote:
| FYI - Your FAQ at the bottom of each use-case page does not
| expand
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you!
|
| We'll try to fix this asap.
| JourneyJourney wrote:
| How to understand the meaning of what I'm seeing on screen. I'm
| not versed into SEO but I'd like to. Your tool is very nice to
| use.
| weinzierl wrote:
| How important do you think this kind of tool is in the age of
| massive amounts of LLM generated text everywhere?
|
| While content mills that could crank out any keyword optimized
| content very cheaply existed for a long time it is now basically
| free. Whereas producing deep and well researched articles maybe
| doesn't need that razor sharp focus on specific keywords?
|
| Since you made this tool, you probably think otherwise, but I
| would like to hear your opinion.
| heresie-dabord wrote:
| > the age of massive amounts of LLM generated text everywhere
|
| I would say that meaningless, soulless inputs had already
| inundated the WWW thanks to the economics of Search Engine
| Optimisation.
| BubbleRings wrote:
| clicking FAQ from your hamburger menu button is busted fyi. good
| luck!
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you!
| scientific_ass wrote:
| This is super cool and I would love to try it out. We use SEMrush
| and they are basically charging us +$1000 dollar for the basic
| plan, with every other feature as an add-on for addition $200 -
| $400.
|
| Question: Do you have (or plan to provide) features like -
|
| -- Questions around the seed keywords
|
| -- Keyword exports for external analysis with details like
| volume, difficulty, etc,
|
| -- Can I tag keywords if I save them in a particular list?
|
| In my work, I do SEO research almost every day and have a very
| extensive keyword strategy. So above features are what's keeping
| me stick to SEMrush.
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hey, Thank you!
|
| We're planning to add premade filters for "Questions" and "Long
| tail" and a couple of others filtersets.
|
| Keywords Export is coming for sure.
|
| You can't tag just yet, but we will add this to backlog and
| implement according to our roadmap.
| vivzkestrel wrote:
| what would it take to build a SEMRush alternative?
| kulhavy wrote:
| Quite some time but we'll get there one day
| abdellah123 wrote:
| This is something I've been looking for for a while !! What about
| keywords for France? and in Arabic?
| kulhavy wrote:
| Thank you!
|
| 18M+ keywords for France. Arabic is supported, but not for
| France
| davidkuennen wrote:
| Thank you! This is great.
|
| Do you happen to know keyword tools that specialize on app store
| and play store search?
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hey!
|
| Our data provider has data from these marketplaces and if you
| stick for long enough with us we will add them for sure as
| current solutions are sooooo expensive.
| weinzierl wrote:
| Email sign-up would be nice.
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hey! Yes, you're right. We plan to add magic link sign up and a
| couple of other providers
| weinzierl wrote:
| Do you provide keyword popularity and is it based on Google
| Keyword Tool data or clickstream data?
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hey!
|
| It comes from Google Ads (different tools)
| twapi wrote:
| - No option to download as excel sheet
|
| - No option to sort by columns
| kulhavy wrote:
| Yes, you're right, it's not available just yet, but on our
| roadmap
|
| Thank you for feedback!
| dsmurrell wrote:
| I don't know that much about SEO. Are you planning on adding a
| blog section maybe with a few article about how someone might use
| a tool like this to optimise their own SEO?
| hnrodey wrote:
| search SEMRush or Ahrefs on YouTube. I assume usage of this
| tool is comparable to other established SEO tools.
| kulhavy wrote:
| Yes, usage is comparable with other SEO tools that does
| Keyword Research
| newbie578 wrote:
| What is the difference between this and Google Keyword Planner? I
| am asking this as someone with minimum experience in SEO
| kulhavy wrote:
| Telescope comes with more details on the data - Keyword
| Difficulty, Historic Search Volume, Ability to preview google
| results for different countries, Keywords for your specific
| domains and your position.
|
| Soon we'll have backlink data and it'll open up even more
| details on Keywords, SERP Preview, Domain Overview
| p3rls wrote:
| These are the products that are being used to destroy the
| internet. It's like selling meth at a school playground to
| applause. Nice UI execution I guess.
| cchance wrote:
| The question mark on the "KEYWORD DETAILS" on the pricing page...
| says... HEY ..... lol
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hi! I forgot to update it, will fix soon, thank you!
| maxencecornet wrote:
| For OP: Would you say this is a drop-in replacement from ahref's
| lite plan ?
|
| What would I miss from ahref ?
| kulhavy wrote:
| For sure you win in pricing using Telescope, but here are the
| things to consider:
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| There are quite a few limits in Ahrefs's Starter plan, but on
| the other hand you have access to Site Explorer and Site Audit
| which we don't have just yet. For Keyword Research it's almost
| 1:1.
|
| Thank you!
| j45 wrote:
| Hi, congrats on the launch!
|
| Are searches cached locally in my account?
|
| I accidentally reload a page, it seems to run the search again
| and charge the (free and provided) balance.
|
| Thanks
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hi. Your searches cached locally for some time, reloading the
| page clears the cache
| samlinnfer wrote:
| >Base your SEO strategy on higly precice and detailed data
|
| >higly precice
| foragerdev wrote:
| whoever is wondering about the website home page design, it looks
| direct copy paste from here:
| https://tailwindui.com/components/marketing/elements/headers...
| wcedmisten wrote:
| This is funny to me because it also looks just like Plausible
| Analytics' design. (They also used Tailwind). I guess both took
| heavy inspiration from the tailwind example design
|
| https://plausible.io
| throwaway425933 wrote:
| I hate that, on the linked page, most of the good ones are paid
| templates. :( Is there a repository of high quality but free
| templates. I hate to use bait and switch websites/frameworks.
| foragerdev wrote:
| Let me know if you find one. You can design your website
| yourself by taking inspiration from other different websites
| but as a person who is not a web designer gaining consistency
| in your design is tough. Usually a template is not enough, it
| may help you with some scaffolding (such as setting a theme
| or fonts) but you need to have some knowledge about web
| design to at least make it look consistent.
| mceoin wrote:
| Hi - is there an API?
| kulhavy wrote:
| Hi, no and not planned yet
| czhu12 wrote:
| How do these tools source data for alternative keywords, visits
| per site, visitor breakdowns, etc, competitor rankings, etc
|
| The only thing I can imagine is buying it from chrome plugins.
| How else would you scrape Google at that rate?
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