[HN Gopher] The Leopold and Loeb case, a century Later
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The Leopold and Loeb case, a century Later
Author : lermontov
Score : 14 points
Date : 2024-06-27 22:56 UTC (4 days ago)
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| dang wrote:
| Discussed just a bit here:
|
| _The Leopold and Loeb Case_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10669257 - Dec 2015 (1
| comment)
|
| Others?
| AlbertCory wrote:
| > but at the time he was just a prominent local lawyer who had
| worked in labor law.
|
| Dead wrong. He defended Eugene Debs in the Pullman Strike case
| (1894), which was headline news all over the country. He got him
| off for the conspiracy charge, too.
|
| (Debs served time for contempt of court, and during World War One
| for criticizing the war).
|
| Oddly enough, he also visited Fremont Older at his house a few
| miles from me, which is now part of the Fremont Older Open Space
| Preserve.
| jhbadger wrote:
| The point (which the author as making) still stands, which is
| that Darrow achieved his lasting fame from the Scopes Monkey
| trial, which both as an event and in its fictionalized form as
| the play/movie "Inherit the Wind" is still relevant to
| discourse today as it is is brought up whenever Creationists
| are in the news.
| AlbertCory wrote:
| No, the point does not stand. He was not "just a prominent
| local lawyer." Unless you don't know your history.
| cge wrote:
| It could be that they were referring to his prominence as a
| non-labor lawyer, or that he hadn't had as many prominent
| cases after fallout from the LA Times case, but it is
| generally a strange statement. No, he wasn't _as_ famous
| before Leopold and Loeb, and Scopes, or the culturally
| immortal figure he became, but he had certainly been a
| prominent lawyer at a national level, not a local one.
|
| He had, as you point out, represented Debs, in federal
| trials over a major national strike, up to the Supreme
| Court. He had represented labor leaders in Idaho charged
| with conspiracy over the assassination of a former
| governor. He represented defendants accused of the LA Times
| bombing in California. For Leopold and Loeb, a question in
| the media was about wealthy families hiring such a
| prominent, high-priced lawyer. And the Scopes was
| essentially an organized publicity stunt that chose lawyers
| for both the prosecution and defense _because_ they were
| famous and would attract attention.
| lupire wrote:
| I can't believe you are arguing about the precise
| gradations of informal descriptions of exactly how famous
| he was.
|
| There are many current legal cases about major national
| issues, where the _lawyers_ aren 't famous.
| AlbertCory wrote:
| Well, I can't believe you are bothering to comment here.
|
| The author said something egregiously wrong. It's not
| "precise gradations of informal descriptions." And cge
| got it exactly right. What do you think you're adding
| here?
| FlamingMoe wrote:
| I was just recently reading about Leopold and Loeb after watching
| Hitchcock's Rope, which is based on a play inspired by the case:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(film)
|
| One of my favorite Hitchcock films.
| daseiner1 wrote:
| Its particular genius, for my money, is that it's functionally
| a psychosexual drama about two closeted homosexuals. In 1948!
| chasil wrote:
| There is also a two-man musical.
|
| It is explicit.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrill_Me
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