[HN Gopher] Open Sourcing Kinopio
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Open Sourcing Kinopio
Author : bpierre
Score : 119 points
Date : 2024-06-27 14:32 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| humdrum wrote:
| > By contrast, delivering software is more like delivering a
| gooey crying baby. It's alive. Squirming, growing, and changing
| because the technologies it relies on do too. Physical materials
| rarely change, but web browsers, operating systems, and servers
| sure do.
|
| Love this
| pketh wrote:
| haha thanks!
| martingxx wrote:
| The title says "open source", but the license says otherwise.
| dvdkon wrote:
| Sorry to be pedantic, but since the licence forbids commercial
| use, the software isn't open source, but rather just source-
| available.
| singpolyma3 wrote:
| Hardly pendantic to point out the obvious truth. Headline is a
| lie
| Bjorkbat wrote:
| To be fair, I myself was ignorant of the difference between
| open-source and source-available. This whole time I thought
| releasing the source code under a license that restricts
| commercial use was just as open-source as releasing something
| with an MIT license.
|
| Good to know I suppose.
| black_puppydog wrote:
| Not having read the license, for me as a private person this is
| more than source available no?
| klysm wrote:
| Sure, but that is not the same as open source
| ilc wrote:
| It isn't pedantic. It is the truth.
|
| I personally won't touch non-commercial products. Mainly
| because I never know if what I am doing is commercial. If I'm
| doing open source work, but not getting paid, but there's a
| company involved.
|
| Think about improving the keyboard you are using's firmware...
| Now what happens if that company is grateful and sends you a
| prototype of the next board to help them out. You are now
| getting something. Is it commercial?
|
| Why the fuck do I want to think about this. I don't. So I just
| don't use this type of software, and I encourage others to
| think of commercial as broadly as possible, when considering
| using it.
|
| I use all types of licenses including straight up commercial.
|
| But I want to be clear: Their code, their right to license it.
| I respect that right. And that is why I won't use it.
| pketh wrote:
| thanks for letting me know, I've changed the title of the post
| to "Making the Kinopio Source Code Available"
| whit537 wrote:
| You might be interested in fair.io, launching next month. We
| ran into a similar problem a year ago that ended up stirring
| up a lot of drama, so we are now promoting the term Fair
| Source instead of Open Source.
|
| Fair Source: https://fair.io/
|
| Our drama: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971490
|
| Lots more context:
| https://openpath.chadwhitacre.com/2024/the-historical-
| case-f...
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| We definitely need a term, more accurate than source-available,
| that describes software whose usage and improvements can only
| orbit in non-commercial space.
|
| For non-software creative works, we have Creative Commons
| NonCommercial licenses.
| whit537 wrote:
| Yes! We aim to launch https://fair.io/ next month to promote
| the term Fair Source for this purpose. Early feedback is
| guardedly positive, e.g., ESR's take was "very clever."
|
| https://openpath.chadwhitacre.com/2024/the-historical-
| case-f...
| endisneigh wrote:
| 1. Not technically open source since you can't use for
| commercial, but ignoring the pedantry.
|
| 2. You're clearly worried about the commercial risk, why even do
| it? You have a section on this but even after reading - seems
| like a non answer.
| pketh wrote:
| > The big benefit of open source for me is that it's another
| way to share the work that goes into Kinopio.
| flobosg wrote:
| I like how the author used Kinopio for his "Uses This" interview:
| https://usesthis.com/interviews/pirijan/
|
| And I instantly recognized that artwork from Hiro Isono: _Seiken
| Densetsu 3_!
| https://archive.org/details/seikendensetsu3sfchiresscans/Sei...
| rchaud wrote:
| Nice to see that the screenshots have full alt text
| transcriptions of the text in the image.
| VyseofArcadia wrote:
| Also, "Kinopio" is the Japanese name for the Mario character
| that the English-speaking world knows as Toad.
| runjake wrote:
| For others who have no idea what Kinopio is:
|
| Kinopio is "a spatial thinking canvas for your new ideas and hard
| problems".
|
| https://kinopio.club/hello-kinopio-m6UmPzsVTQUcarM6ROPsu
|
| It's not my kinda thing, but very neat!
| brianzelip wrote:
| Here's a great podcast episode with the Kinopio author that also
| touches on the design of Glitch.com and more, very informing!
| https://www.localfirst.fm/8
| caseyf wrote:
| I love that Glitch and Kinopio look like they were designed by
| someone with their own personal style/way of doing UI. Contrast
| with nearly everything else on the web.
| anderber wrote:
| I love Kinopio and I really appreciate being able to look around
| the code and perhaps even help make it better. Hopefully, this
| will spur innovations and new updates.
| pketh wrote:
| I'm looking forward to it too
| whalesalad wrote:
| I've been following this project for a while - very excited to
| see this and even more excited that it is Vue!
| pketh wrote:
| I'm a big vue fan, it's a great oss success story and feels
| good not to use any facebook tech
| dang wrote:
| Related:
|
| _The Hybrid Architecture of Kinopio for iOS_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37404820 - Sept 2023 (1
| comment)
|
| _Kinopio_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31460626 - May
| 2022 (141 comments)
|
| _Kinopio_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29726044 - Dec
| 2021 (2 comments)
|
| _Show HN: Kinopio.club - visual thinking, brainstorming tool_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132631 - Aug 2020 (64
| comments)
| wcerfgba wrote:
| I don't use Kinopio for everything, but when I need to arrange
| ideas in a 2D way and think about webs of relationships, it's
| been an amazing addition to my set of "tools for thought". Thank
| you for all of your work on it <3
| pketh wrote:
| You're very welcome :)
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