[HN Gopher] Google is force canceling gsuite because I used unli...
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Google is force canceling gsuite because I used unlimited storage
as unlimited
Author : lopkeny12ko
Score : 49 points
Date : 2024-06-22 20:54 UTC (2 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (twitter.com)
| josephcsible wrote:
| I hope whoever that is has a really fast Internet connection,
| because 400TB is too much to download in 30 days even with a
| 1Gbps connection.
| null3cksor wrote:
| Thats just over 88 hours.
| Jtsummers wrote:
| ~400,000 GB * 8 bits/Byte = 3,200,000 Gb at 1Gbps that's
| 3,200,000 seconds or about 888 hours or about 37 days. If
| that's 400TB * 1024, instead of 1000, then it's a bit longer,
| pushing 38 days.
| netsharc wrote:
| Sheesh, the TCP and whatever else overhead is probably more
| than the 24 byte difference of 1024 vs 1000..
| dark-star wrote:
| Did you ever try and calculate the difference?
|
| 1TiB = 1024GiB = 1024 _1024MiB = 1024_ 1024 _1024KiB =
| 1024_ 1024 _1024_ 1024 bytes...
|
| 1024^4 is 1099511627776 bytes...
|
| So it's 1099 GB vs 1000 GB which is a solid 10%
| difference. Your TCP overhead is not anywhere close to
| 10% unless you are sending with an MTU of 240...
| duskwuff wrote:
| 88 hours would be at 1 GB/sec = 8 Gbps, not 1 Gbps.
|
| 400 TB over 30 days is about 1.23 Gbps.
| Timothee wrote:
| ChatGPT and Wolfram Alpha confirmed to me that it's about 37
| days, which is 888 hours, not 88 :)
|
| Wolfram Alpha:
| https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=400tb+at+1gbps ChatGPT:
| https://chatgpt.com/share/4ddd464a-dabd-4c12-9cc4-e8271a51a6.
| ..
|
| (ChatGPT did a great job at breaking down the problem)
| cassianoleal wrote:
| So did your sibling comments and I imagine anyone with very
| basic maths skills could.
|
| And most likely burning a lot less carbon than ChatGPT.
| netsharc wrote:
| Except everyone is forgetting the TCP/IP overhead. I also
| asked ChatGPT, and 400TB of data creates a 10.7TB overhead,
| which adds ~5 days...
| dark-star wrote:
| if you had done the math yourself you would have arrived
| at a different number....
| heeton wrote:
| It's ~888 hours, or 37 days.
|
| You dropped a 0 somewhere.
| dsjoerg wrote:
| 37 days: https://chatgpt.com/share/bff87762-664e-4350-abf9-54
| be80064b...
|
| 1Gbps is 1 gigaBIT per second.
| tombert wrote:
| I wonder if they'll give the option for them to move to a paid
| storage option, at least temporarily, for them to have enough
| time to download everything.
| daveoc64 wrote:
| Generally, services like Google Drive can't even max out a
| 1Gbps connection.
| remram wrote:
| Google is also revoking the unlimited storage they granted to
| universities in the US. Many of my colleagues have terabytes (and
| 1-2 PB for some) of research data or lab backups on Drive that IT
| is having a hard time relocating.
| shreddit wrote:
| This being a thing should have been pretty obvious. "Unlimited"
| never means unlimited in a literal sense. Even if phrased like
| so.
|
| And loosing actual backup files a whole different story...
| AlexandrB wrote:
| Saying something and then pretending you actually meant a
| different thing is lying. It shouldn't be up to the consumer
| to understand the minutia of an industry and intuit whether
| "unlimited" actually means "unlimited".
| simondotau wrote:
| Unlimited has never meant unlimited in its truest sense.
| It's just that the consumer tends to have their own natural
| limits, whether that's time, or attention span, or the
| human body's ability to ingest liquid.
| Grimeton wrote:
| There is a commonly and widespread accepted definition of the
| term "unlimited" If anyone uses it outside of that
| definition, it needs to be disclosed upfront. If that didn't
| happen, then it's "unlimited" as in the common widespread
| definition of the term.
|
| If you change the definition later, then you have changed
| your mind and look for a loophole to f people over.
|
| That's all there is to it.
|
| They said unlimited and now they're not keeping their word.
| etrautmann wrote:
| Sure, but if something seems too good to be true then it
| probably is. As an academic with hundreds of TB of data, I
| personally wouldn't assume that some company would
| _actually_ provide unlimited storage in perpetuity when the
| costs are clear and obvious.
| Grimeton wrote:
| Of course I would. It's Google! They can do it! And
| obviously they did.
|
| How else do we explain people with petabytes of data on
| Google's drives when the term "unlimited" meant "30GB"?
| politelemon wrote:
| Any idea what approach they're going to take? I wonder if
| Gsuite have an unpunished ability to do a snowball type export
| as a one-off.
| allturtles wrote:
| The story here is that Google _used to_ have unlimited storage,
| and now they don 't (for the obvious reason that it was a bad
| idea), and are enforcing 5TB/user limits on enterprise accounts.
| This was announced well in advance with plenty of warning.
| DANmode wrote:
| How much adv. warning makes up for making a promise you (should
| have known you) couldn't keep?
| x0x0 wrote:
| However much was specified in the contract.
|
| If you used a service you pay month-to-month, you explicitly
| agreed that, just like you can cancel w/ a month's notice,
| the counterparty can change terms with the same 30d notice.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| A reasonable amount which they did. There was nothing bad
| faith about this. Google did offer unlimited space, people
| abused the crap out of it, they changed it. This is literally
| just childish behavior.
|
| Unlimited offers have always implicit limits which every
| adult understands. When you go to the all you can eat buffet
| there's a common sense understanding that you can't literally
| fill your pockets with a thousand bucks worth of food.
| cal85 wrote:
| > abused
|
| used
| angry_moose wrote:
| Microsoft too: https://www.techradar.com/pro/exclusive-
| microsoft-quietly-en...
|
| It's bitten a team I work with pretty hard, who for some
| inexplicable reason decided to store everything on OneDrive
| instead of our enormous on-prem NAS. Even more fun; all of
| their accounts still say "XTB of unlimited", the new data caps
| seem to be different for every user (everyone gets cut off at
| different amounts), and IT can't even get a straight answer
| about what the new caps are.
| kevingadd wrote:
| The new default is that everything goes to OneDrive. If you
| have data on your hard disk in regular Documents folders, it
| will move it to OneDrive without asking you.
| angry_moose wrote:
| No, this was a conscious decision on their part that they
| would store X00GB phsyics simulation results on OneDrive
| instead of the on-prem system that every other department
| uses. They've even written it up that its considered their
| "standard practice".
|
| OneDrive has been worse in just about every possible
| benchmark so no one is sure why they did it. Best guess is
| it was some HPPO decision, who may or may not still be with
| the company.
| dijit wrote:
| Both of you are correct; it may have been an intentional
| choice by your team (since, otherwise it would go to a
| private onedrive, not a shared OneDrive).
|
| It's also true that Documents are linked to OneDrive now
| in corp environments.
|
| I _think_ there 's a way to disable it, but of course
| there's a different setting for the Office Suite, they
| also default to OneDrive.
| walrushunter wrote:
| Without telling us how much storage he was actually using, this
| post is worthless. I could trivially abuse any "unlimited"
| storage plan to make the provider renege on their claims.
| jameskilton wrote:
| Read the comments, 400TB, and he's not bitter, but expected
| this to happen. Seems to be posting it because it's
| entertaining more than anything.
| katbyte wrote:
| I sincerely wish that any company that advertised unlimited and
| didn't actually allow unlimited X was penalized because it is
| straight up false advertising.
|
| unlimited data (but after 5tb we throttle you to 100kpbs) is not
| unlimited it is 5tb + 100k * 30 * 24 * 60 * 60
|
| Google was unlimited with 5 users. Then they rug pulled and it
| was "as much as you need" + "you can request increases every 3
| months". then prices went way up. now its "you are only allowed 3
| increases"
|
| its fine to have limits but businesses should be forced to
| disclose them upfront
| leetrout wrote:
| Same for unlimited vacation.
| cogman10 wrote:
| Yup. This should be considered bait and switch. It's fraud
| plain and simple and they should be severely penalized for
| lying about the services because "it's too expensive".
| pockybum522 wrote:
| I would love to see this happen. How do we actually bring a
| class action or some other thing that effectively means they
| can't do this anymore?
| cogman10 wrote:
| This is something that should be under the purview of an
| agency like the FTC. If you are affected by this you could
| file a complaint with them.
| derefr wrote:
| The type of marketer or program manager who comes up with an
| "unlimited" offering usually has a very limited imagination for
| exactly how much of something a customer could really use.
|
| These types usually have no sense for what limits their
| business could actually handle, because none of their current
| customers are using their service to anything approaching its
| operational capacity. And they probably don't have any SREs to
| ask for stress-test data, either. So "unlimited" for them, just
| means "use it like everyone has already been using it and it'll
| be flat-rate instead of PAYGO. Or go wild and use 10x or 100x
| that." It doesn't even occur to them that it's possible that
| someone could use e.g. 10000x existing usage.
| gundmc wrote:
| This is silly. The email in the screenshot shows the Google
| Workspace Enterprise Standard package, which is clearly
| documented as 5 TB/user limit.
|
| If the complaint is that at some point in the past it was
| unlimited and Google switched it to have limits, then we can talk
| about that (and we have in numerous other threads over the last
| 2+ years).
| tayo42 wrote:
| Tangentenly related, I thought my Google personal storage for
| photos and emails was unlimited for free but I've been getting
| nagging stuff about their 15gb limit now and shutting off my
| Gmail. Frustrating and feels like I'm being forced into it where
| the other option is to set up and manage my own photo back ups
| and hard drives...
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