[HN Gopher] Climate Zones
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Climate Zones
Author : colinprince
Score : 68 points
Date : 2024-06-21 19:34 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| doctorhandshake wrote:
| I generally love the stuff Pudding does but I found this really
| hard to follow. Key colors not matching map colors, very similar
| (indistinguishable) colors used in one case, and the crux new-
| zone projection looked like a word salad. Haven't looked on
| desktop but on mobile I found this whole thing borderline
| illegible.
| bogtog wrote:
| Yeah, the concept is cool and there's a lot of neat visual
| effects going on here, but it doesn't come together well
| rconti wrote:
| It was impossible for me to tell the difference between
| "Temperate - Dry summer, warm summer" and "Temperate - No dry
| season, warm summer" on the map.
| Starlevel004 wrote:
| I don't like how it only works via animation. Let me click
| around on the map!
| throw0101c wrote:
| This is about Koppen and simulated shifting due to climate
| change:
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| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koppen_climate_classification
|
| In the US, for construction, the IECC's system is used, and there
| was a recent update to a few dozen counties:
|
| > _However, with new research based on measured temperature data
| from over 4000 weather stations throughout North America over the
| last 25 years, the IECC designated changes to the CZ map for the
| first time in nearly 20 years. The outcome was that about 10% of
| counties in the U.S. were placed in a new CZ. In nearly all
| cases, the shift was to a warmer (lower) CZ, reflecting a general
| warming of the climate in those areas. The first set of maps
| below show the old CZs on the left and the new ones on the right.
| The shaded area across the west in the image on the right
| highlights the "dry" sub-climates. In most cases, the shift in CZ
| is relatively subtle._
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| * https://www.jm.com/en/blog/2021/march/understanding-the-iecc...
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| * https://theber.com/iecc-climate-zone-updates/
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| * https://basc.pnnl.gov/images/iecc-climate-zone-map
| muglug wrote:
| Some buggy JS -- it only reports one city's temperature
| transition numbers, then those same numbers are repeated for each
| selected city.
| chabons wrote:
| The happened for me only in Celsius. It looks like in
| Fahrenheit the temperature updated for me.
| mempko wrote:
| Some beautiful visualizations here. However, one problem with it
| is that we are still talking about averages. This doesn't
| demonstrate the increase in weather variability that global
| warming will bring. These climate zones will have crazier
| extremes than in the past.
|
| While the temperature increase is an average, the increase in
| extreme temperatures will be non-linear.
| teractiveodular wrote:
| This. For example, "Tokyo's average temperature increases from
| 58.3degF to 63.6degF and remains in Temperate" sounds
| distinctly meh, unless you've actually suffered your way
| through a stiflingly hot Tokyo summer (100deg with 80%
| humidity) and can imagine what it would feel like to add 5deg
| on top of that.
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| Absolutely. Classifying the number of heat wave days, or cold
| front days across time would be the type of visualization
| that's needed. Or the spread in the rainy season.
|
| My intuition is that the uncertainty in variance is much higher
| than the uncertainty in the average. So, it's more difficult to
| make concrete predictions that we are reasonably sure will pan
| out.
| zug_zug wrote:
| Powerful stuff. Really helps make it feel more real by drawing
| comparisons to knowable reference points.
| sundiver wrote:
| What I couldn't see, or what wasn't mentioned, is the imminent
| collapse of the Gulf Stream. I had read that this would
| paradoxically lead to a "new ice age" for Western and Northern
| Europe in the next 100 years. Is this scenario ruled out by
| science after all, or is it simply not taken into account here?
| Daishiman wrote:
| It would be such a drastic change that it appears to be beyond
| our ability to model, as we lack the empirical data to make any
| accurate prediction.
| salamo wrote:
| Seems like the old -> new temperatures are the same for each
| city.
| BatmansMom wrote:
| Feels like not many discuss how Climate Change would effect
| Geopolitical tensions. This page makes it obvious how Western
| enemies like China and Russia may benefit from land now frigid
| becoming more temperate
| chasing wrote:
| Maybe I'm deeply cynical, but it doesn't seem far-fetched that
| Putin would be perfectly fine with opening up some Russian warm
| water ports with the happy side benefit of destabilizing chunks
| of the United States and western Europe.
|
| It is a weird coincidence that the major American political
| party most vehemently against recognizing anthropogenic climate
| change is also the one most likely to be caught with their
| hands in the proverbial Russian cookie jar...
| yongjik wrote:
| China is already suffering heavily from desertification; I
| don't think global warming would do it much favor.
| nmeofthestate wrote:
| Sorry to be negative but this website is completely awful on
| mobile. And some of the map colours are virtually
| indistinguishable from each other.
| fuzzythinker wrote:
| Love it, but at where Los Angeles moves to become like New Delhi
| in the 4 columns shown, my MBP 2016 GPU spiked to 880% and gets
| stuck til I shut down the process. Needs some optimization.
| 57FkMytWjyFu wrote:
| I loathe "keep scrolling to animate pages". Just give me the
| information, and stop showing off.
| chasing wrote:
| I grew up in Austin. People are arriving in droves for the cool
| scene and bustling economy, which is great. But a few degrees in
| Austin means a shift from having part of the late summer that's
| obnoxiously hot to having a part of the year when it's literally
| dangerous to go outside because of the heat.
|
| Feels like we fail to understand how perilous just a few degrees
| might be to certain cities already on the climate edge...
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