[HN Gopher] The the the the induction of jamais vu: word alienat...
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The the the the induction of jamais vu: word alienation and
semantic satiation
Author : ericciarla
Score : 39 points
Date : 2024-06-19 20:39 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| adolph wrote:
| Genuinely interesting, thank you poster. I've encountered the
| sensation periodically since childhood and never had a word for
| it.
|
| _Jamais vu is a phenomenon operationalised as the opposite of
| deja vu, i.e. finding subjectively unfamiliar something that we
| know to be familiar. We sought to document that the subjective
| experience of jamais vu can be produced in word alienation tasks,
| hypothesising that deja vu and jamais vu are similar experiential
| memory phenomena._
| web3-is-a-scam wrote:
| When I worked in marketing software I experienced this often with
| the term "referral". To this day I still feel kindof weird when I
| see the term.
| SonOfLilit wrote:
| When I did a lot of web development I experienced something
| similar with the word "referal".
| mpalmer wrote:
| We need the Oscars "In Memoriam" every year, but it's for words
| we lost to semantic satiation.
|
| Off the top of my head:
|
| iconic
|
| epic
|
| brilliant
|
| "blazingly fast"
|
| literally
| EnigmaFlare wrote:
| This is about repeating the word many times in isolation of
| other words, not using an exaggeration for lesser things so the
| meaning drifts. I think everyone's familiar with it by trying
| to say the same word over and over again, it quickly becomes
| weird and seems to lose its meaning or even become hard to say.
| SonOfLilit wrote:
| GP is engaging in the iconic HN tradition of commenting
| something brilliant that has nothing to do with TFA.
| Literally seconds later, someone has to point out the epic
| failure. I've been reading HN for 17 years, and I must lament
| that it is turning "blazingly fast" into reddit. Because of
| people like me, I guess :)
| clbrmbr wrote:
| I think in language learning it's important not to over-review
| content for this very reason.
| alexey-salmin wrote:
| https://xkcd.com/1046/
| r721 wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_satiation
| Waterluvian wrote:
| There's two phenomena that come to mind: 1) when I say the same
| word over and over and within a minute the word sounds and feels
| weird and wrong. 2) everyone overuses and exaggerates a word so
| much that it loses its power and meaning.
|
| Are these the same thing?
| pixl97 wrote:
| I don't think so.
|
| I've had number 1 occur to me just a few times in life. One
| where I was waiting for our printing class to be unlocked in
| school and when looking at PRINT SHOP on the door, suddenly
| PRINT became unreal to me. Like "what the fuck is this word".
| It is an odd and very jarring experience.
|
| 2 is more like saying "You're a nazi" when someone doesn't
| clean up spilled milk devaluing the impact of the term.
| dwighttk wrote:
| Happened with me a few times with the word "knee"
| Rygian wrote:
| Any relation to Monty Python?
| LordGrey wrote:
| My trigger word for semantic satiation is "what" for some reason.
| NKosmatos wrote:
| Reminded me of the "say what" scene from Pulp Fiction ;-)
| Yoric wrote:
| Is this what happens with words losing their entire meaning with
| propaganda?
|
| Not going to quote a specific word, but I live in a country that
| has gone into propaganda overdrive during the last few weeks and
| people who should know better (quite possibly including myself)
| are starting to use words to mean anything and their opposite.
| JohnMakin wrote:
| how woke of you /s
| chimpanzee wrote:
| No, this is about how a repeated word can lose familiarity and
| meaning _entirely_. In particular, the audible and visible
| forms become unfamiliar, as though it is no longer a legitimate
| word at all and instead sounds and appears like pure nonsense
| or of another unknown language.
| cynicalkane wrote:
| No, but
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_the_English_Langu...
| is a good essay on the use of propaganda to destroy language,
| and the natural process with which it's bought into.
| otras wrote:
| An easy way to do this is to remember this oddly grammatically
| correct sentence:
|
| Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
|
| Though is it satiation if the meaning is different for different
| instances?
| comradesmith wrote:
| I don't think that's the same at all. Nobody could ever
| actually understand that sentence without breaking it down.
|
| Semantic satiation can come up when you're having a
| conversation and use the same word often enough (not
| necessarily back to back) that it feels like that word is
| wrong, or doesn't mean anything. You start to pay attention to
| the sound of the word instead of the meaning.
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