[HN Gopher] Lindroid
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Lindroid
Author : LorenDB
Score : 243 points
Date : 2024-06-17 13:46 UTC (1 days ago)
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| hggh wrote:
| Readable version:
| https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1802331845633212554.html
| Y_Y wrote:
| > full hw accelerated Linux on your Android as an app
|
| Might be worth adding that excerpt to the title, as well as
| changing the link to hggh's thread reader version without which I
| can't see anything.
| LorenDB wrote:
| Unfortunately I can't edit the title at this point. As for the
| link, HN wants posts to link to primary sources instead of
| alternative front ends (archive.today, Nitter, Thread Reader).
| ptero wrote:
| I think linking source is a general preference, not a hard
| rule. In this case (convenient full view vs clicking on
| chunks) it is easy to justify ignoring this preference.
| fsflover wrote:
| > full hw accelerated Linux on your Android as an app
|
| At this point, you can just run full GNU/Linux on a phone. Sent
| from my Librem 5.
| kennywinker wrote:
| There is a unique use case for running linux as an app vs as
| the base OS. Seems to me it's a lot like the difference between
| booting linux and using WSL to run linux inside windows.
| fsflover wrote:
| "Unique" as in "reuse my old Android", which may not be
| secure after the support has ended. I see no other use cases.
| bsimpson wrote:
| "Is it any good?" is its own question.
|
| I went down this rabbit hole trying to see how to make the non-
| gaming side of a Steam handheld feel like a tablet, and was
| surprised/disappointed at how spartan the touch-based Linux
| ecosystem is. There are half a dozen projects trying to make it
| happen, but they're all really small and mostly independent.
| There's one guy working on GNOME for mobile, one working on the
| Maui system for Nitrux.... Canonical gave up on Ubuntu for
| mobile, so some guy revived that. I haven't been able to try
| Plasma Mobile 6 because it's not packaged for NixOS, but v5
| wasn't usable. Phosh was poorly packaged as well, so I didn't
| invest much effort there.
|
| Making a good touch UI is a ton of work, but the space so far
| seems to be mostly filled with people doing hobby projects (or
| closed ones like Sailfish).
| fsflover wrote:
| > Phosh was poorly packaged as well, so I didn't invest much
| effort there.
|
| Phosh comes with some OSes by default:
| https://phosh.mobi/faq/
|
| > "Is it any good?" is its own question.
|
| Depends on your needs. Daily driver for me.
| talldayo wrote:
| For a lot of handsets that don't have an unlocked bootloader
| this is literally not true, even if it _does_ have working
| Linux drivers.
| discordance wrote:
| Yeah great, although I am keen to see if this eventually will
| run on something like an Amazon Fire Stick or one of those old
| Androids in my drawer.
| fsflover wrote:
| It won't, due the closed specs and proprietary drivers.
| roywashere wrote:
| Sure, but most people might need their phone to do banking apps
| or apps like WhatsApp, Spotify or Maps which are not available
| on your phone. This allows people to run GNU apps on their
| android phone so they can have both
| fsflover wrote:
| You can do it with Waydroid (if your bank doesn't force you
| into the duopoly, at which point you should complain or
| switch).
|
| See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40714592
| 4ggr0 wrote:
| > at which point you should complain or switch
|
| if only switching banks for such things was easy and
| realistically doable...
|
| hate that banking apps are such a hassle to live with, but
| i do kinda get why they're very protective.
| fsflover wrote:
| > i do kinda get why they're very protective.
|
| I am not sure if a typical Android with a bunch of
| (preinstalled!) crappy apps is more secure than a
| GNU/Linux phone relying solely on FLOSS repos.
|
| Changing banks can be easier or harder, depending on your
| country. People do it:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40678203
| 4ggr0 wrote:
| isn't it just about banks not wanting to open-source
| their apps or connection details for supposed security or
| other reasons?
|
| > changing banks can be easier or harder
|
| well the process of changing banks is not the problem, i
| did leave UBS and Credit Suisse a couple of years ago.
| but now i'm with a bank i specifically chose because
| they're actually not financing wars or other unethical
| things, instead of just saying so for greenwashing
| purposes. this aspect is more important to me than them
| open-sourcing their infrastructure.
| fsflover wrote:
| > isn't it just about banks not wanting to open-source
| their apps or connection details for supposed security or
| other reasons?
|
| Not exactly:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40715542
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40714796
|
| Indeed, finding a bank reasonable from every side is much
| harder.
| fsflover wrote:
| Banking apps won't work with Lindroid either:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40714796
| tetris11 wrote:
| (I suppose I must be blind)
|
| Where are the APKs?
| aadhavans wrote:
| From the Twitter thread, their github appears to be
| https://github.com/linux-on-droid. I don't see APKs in any of
| the repos, though.
| LorenDB wrote:
| I don't think they've released APKs yet from how the Twitter
| thread is worded.
| freedomben wrote:
| I think you're right. Also, I think I have a different
| definition of "ready" than OP
| figmert wrote:
| I'm currently in the process of trying to see if Samsung DeX is
| able to replace my laptop. It is running directly on Termux, as
| opposed to using something like proot. So far it seems promising,
| and the biggest thing issue I have is that the Termux-X11 session
| essentially acts like a VM in that shortcuts are not seemless.
|
| I'd love to know how this compares to that. Or maybe there's a
| way to make that more seemless. E.g. if apps would be shown as
| Android apps as far as the launcher is concerned.
| anonzzzies wrote:
| I work a lot in Dex and VNC via vr glasses and the shortcuts
| are the biggest issue. That's why I want full Linux; I would
| like a phone size device without a screen running Linux with
| unlocked bootloader and usb vo (otherwise it's still
| worthless), but, while trivial hardware wise (there are plenty
| of boards), this formfactor is not there it seems. And the
| slightly bigger ones that are there, are made for a reason
| (usually gaming) so they don't care about battery life. My
| android phone gets well over a day while powering my glasses
| and me working.
| sriacha wrote:
| Can you share which glasses and what kinds of environment you
| use with Dex? Termux?
| Y_Y wrote:
| Emacs-termux is awkward to get working initially, but it gives
| you more-or-less full emacs as an Android app, but sharing
| storage/namespace with termux so that they both have access to
| the same binaries and documents.
|
| There isn't a good project page, it's based at this sourceforgw
| page and has a surprisingly comprehensive readme.
|
| https://sourceforge.net/projects/android-ports-for-gnu-emacs...
| qwertox wrote:
| SourceForge [0]... the Sony [1] of software development.
|
| [0]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Adware_controversy
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_ro
| otk...
| antifa wrote:
| I'm annoyed that Firefox for android doesn't have hot keys at
| all and chrome for android is also missing enough hotkeys/mouse
| behaviors that I'll usually notice very quickly.
| janice1999 wrote:
| Video about the project from Volla Community Days:
| https://www.youtube.com/live/7vF5647gNbo?si=NC_QytRezsgDCQV5
| brunoqc wrote:
| Do you have a timestamp?
|
| EDIT: https://youtu.be/7vF5647gNbo?t=14340 maybe
| john01dav wrote:
| Is there somewhere where I can sign up to be emailed or otherwise
| notified when this is ready? I want to try it but from the lack
| of APKs or other introductory materials, it seems to not be
| ready.
| fock wrote:
| "needs root and patches to AOSP". So there go the banking apps
| mentioned elsewhere and you can just use postmarketOS.
|
| Still cool though!
| bboygravity wrote:
| I have a rooted phone and when you hide root (using Magisk app)
| all banking apps work just fine?
| kiney wrote:
| Some, not all. Last time I checked magisk wasn't able to fake
| safetynet hardwareattestation
| igor47 wrote:
| Yup. I gave up on trying to get Google wallet / Android pay
| to work on my lineage device. I got it working sometimes
| but it broke after update and just wasn't reliable enough
| to keep trying when paying for stuff. I'm not really sure
| whom they're protecting with this stuff -- the credit card
| processing companies, maybe?
| JonChesterfield wrote:
| wallet doesn't work reliably on a non-rooted pixel phone
| with approximately zero software installed on it either,
| you may not be doing anything wrong
| kotaKat wrote:
| As far as I also understand Google Messages now uses this
| as well to gatekeep access to _carrier_ RCS.
|
| https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087418/google-
| messages-b...
| phh wrote:
| How do you know it's carrier RCS? To the best of my
| knowledge they are only gatekeeping access to Google
| Messages private network, not carrier RCS? (Considering
| the very little number of carrier RCS that's not very
| relevant though)
| crms1496 wrote:
| I have found Play Integrity Fix [1] with playcurl [2] is
| reliable enough for passing Play Integrity in Wallet and
| other apps. My current issue is that Google Messages has
| its own integrity checks that are stricter than Play
| Integrity, and will silently stop handling RCS messages
| if it fails those checks. I currently have RCS disabled
| because it is too unreliable.
|
| [1] https://github.com/chiteroman/PlayIntegrityFix [2]
| https://github.com/daboynb/PlayIntegrityNEXT
| LoganDark wrote:
| Huh, I don't have issues with RCS on my rooted OP7Pro. Is
| my version just sufficiently out of date not to have
| those extra checks?
| freedomben wrote:
| I also have OP7Pro (what an amazing phone btw), and yes,
| we're pretty much sufficiently out of date that they
| still work - a wild but true reality we find ourselves
| in.
| LoganDark wrote:
| I mean my Messages app. I installed it years ago and
| never updated, because why would I ever updated an SMS
| app, the only thing that can ever happen is for things to
| break that used to be working, lol. I don't even know if
| I run A12.
|
| I do know, though, that the OP7Pro is one of the last
| Android devices that are whitelisted by Google to pass
| SafetyNet without hardware-backed attestation. Shame that
| TWRP wiped my working setup. I've been trying to get them
| to add any basic protection against that for over three
| years: https://github.com/TeamWin/Team-Win-Recovery-
| Project/issues/...
|
| It is an amazing phone. Notchless, relockable bootloader
| (not just unlockable, but custom AVB key support!!), in-
| screen fingerprint sensor, 90Hz AMOLED, and great build
| quality.
| sangnoir wrote:
| > because why would I ever updated an SMS app, the only
| thing that can ever happen is for things to break that
| used to be working, lol.
|
| Text parsing/rendering is a security Achilles' heel, and
| SMS app vulnerabilities are commonly exploited entry
| points for persistent malware from the likes of NSO. All
| things being equal, should update SMS apps for the
| security updates.
| LoganDark wrote:
| > I'm not really sure whom they're protecting with this
| stuff -- the credit card processing companies, maybe?
|
| (small nit: does "whom" even go there?)
|
| They're protecting the TEE because they do not want third
| parties to be able to automate Google Pay through
| modified software. This isn't necessarily just about
| normal end users but more like smartphone farms.
| nobody9999 wrote:
| >They're protecting the TEE
|
| Why do Transesophageal Echocardiograms[0] need
| protecting, and from whom do such diagnostics require
| protection?
|
| I expect I'm missing something, but a web search for
| 'TEE' only returns that diagnostic test.[1]
|
| [0] https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/atrial-
| fibrillation/tran...
|
| [1] Moral: Don't assume everyone knows what a particular
| acronym means. Just because it's in _your_ head doesn 't
| mean everyone else knows what you mean.[2] E.g., if I say
| 'JRE' I mean 'Java Runtime Environment' and not 'Joe
| Rogan Experience'.
|
| [2] According to Piaget[3], people are able to identify
| that others don't know what's in their heads sometime
| between ages two and seven.
|
| [3] https://psychcentral.com/health/piaget-stages-of-
| development...
| LoganDark wrote:
| Sorry, TEE stands for Trusted Execution Environment. It's
| where stuff like DRM executes with access to secrets that
| the HLOS (Android) can't tamper with. On ARM SoCs the TEE
| is usually provided as part of TrustZone. No need to
| patronize.
| nobody9999 wrote:
| >Sorry, TEE stands for Trusted Execution Environment.
|
| No apology necessary. I was just a little confused.
| Thanks for straightening me out!
| Nexxxeh wrote:
| I think, probably unintentionally, you've misjudged or
| ignored the tone your message is likely to be read as
| having.
|
| To me, your comment comes across as having a rude and
| insulting tone.
|
| I think the person you were replying to read it in a
| similar tone to me based on their response. ("No need to
| be patronizing.")
|
| Is that the tone you intended?
|
| A better way of handling it may have been with a simple,
| "What does TEE mean in this context please? Googling it
| didn't help me."
|
| I'm asking the question rather than assuming it was
| intentional, as you put more effort into your comment
| than is necessary to just be rude.
|
| It feels like you may have been trying to be helpful and
| just misjudged the tone. Maybe as a fellow neurodivergent
| person.
| LoganDark wrote:
| I feel like this part of their comment:
|
| > According to Piaget[3], people are able to identify
| that others don't know what's in their heads sometime
| between ages two and seven.
|
| is a little far to be a simple misjudged tone, even if it
| was intended as a joke. I did find it a bit funny but it
| still felt a bit insulting too.
| nobody9999 wrote:
| >is a little far to be a simple misjudged tone, even if
| it was intended as a joke. I did find it a bit funny but
| it still felt a bit insulting too.
|
| No. Not a joke. Just pointing out something you already
| knew: That I (or anyone else) don't know what's going on
| inside your mind unless you tell me.
|
| That you ignored such a simple truth and didn't think to
| define your terms was a waste of _my_ time. As such, I
| felt insulted at your (apparent) complete lack of respect
| for the time and attention of others.
|
| Take that as insulting if you wish, and if you find it
| insulting enough, please ignore me completely going
| forward. I promise you I won't mind.
|
| Have a good day!
| LoganDark wrote:
| > That you ignored such a simple truth and didn't think
| to define your terms was a waste of my time. As such, I
| felt insulted at your (apparent) complete lack of respect
| for the time and attention of others.
|
| My neglecting to define it was not because I was
| _ignoring_ that not everyone knows everything I do.
|
| There are quite a few acronyms that are widespread enough
| _on HN_ (or in programming in general) to be used without
| defining them anew every single time (such as, say,
| "API"). I hadn't considered that of those, "TEE" is not
| one. That doesn't mean I _don 't understand the concept
| of individual knowledge_, only that I don't always put a
| complete effort into my drive-by comments, and evidently
| had not into that one.
|
| Even at that point, it would have taken less time for you
| to ask for a definition _without_ additional remarks that
| imply I should have known better. Who are you to imply I
| didn 't know better? I'd say _that_ was the real waste of
| your time, considering it makes up over 50% of the
| comment.
|
| Additionally, I don't have a "complete lack of respect"
| for others' time and attention. I would've edited the
| comment to fix it if it had still been within the edit
| window. I apologized for having left the definition out
| because that was an honest mistake, and it was never
| meant to waste anyone's time or attention. Even before
| the apology, I don't think it's reasonable for you to
| have assumed that the waste of time was intentional, and
| replied in the way you did.
|
| > Take that as insulting if you wish, and if you find it
| insulting enough, please ignore me completely going
| forward. I promise you I won't mind.
|
| I don't generally ignore people until I have nothing left
| to say to them. But yes, people (myself included)
| generally find it insulting when you assume bad faith of
| them. If this was truly your intention, then it is not
| just my fault for "wishing" to take it as insulting. Your
| tone has an impact on how others perceive you.
|
| To be blunt, if you are rude on purpose and proceed not
| to care about how it makes others feel, that behavior
| isn't welcome here. I can understand if you felt
| _frustrated_ that I didn 't define my acronyms, but
| that's no reason to lash out about it, even when it's in
| the form of mere patronizing remarks.
|
| You have a good day too.
| Nexxxeh wrote:
| Yeah, I'm sorry that they spoke to you like that. It was
| unwarranted, as was the subsequent benefit of the doubt I
| gave them. It's apparently just the attitude they
| communicate with others with. Unfortunate.
| nobody9999 wrote:
| Your assumptions were mostly incorrect.
|
| That said, thank you for your thoughts on this. I'm glad
| you shared them. Good on you.
|
| That said, I don't need you (or anyone else, for that
| matter) to tell me how I should or shouldn't interact
| with others -- as that's _incredibly_ condescending (and
| incredibly rude as well) and makes a number of
| unwarranted (as I mentioned) assumptions.
|
| Again, thanks for your thoughts. I'll give them the
| attention they deserve.
|
| Edit: Fixed prose.
| protonbob wrote:
| I'm pretty sure you told the GP how they should or should
| not interact with others by telling them not to use
| acronyms. I'm don't understand how that's any different.
| nobody9999 wrote:
| >'m pretty sure you told the GP how they should or should
| not interact with others by telling them not to use
| acronyms. I'm don't understand how that's any different.
|
| Except I did nothing of the sort. I took the information
| given and attempted to interpolate (unsuccessfully, I
| might add) what OP was talking about.
|
| While I did make the point that OP should have realized
| that others don't know what they're talking about if they
| don't tell us, I most certainly didn't say they shouldn't
| use acronyms.
|
| Rather, I chastised them for not _defining ambiguous
| terms_ , which wasted my time and energy trying to figure
| out what they were going on about.
| Nexxxeh wrote:
| >I took the information given and attempted to
| interpolate (unsuccessfully, I might add) what OP was
| talking about.
|
| You could have used your brain and just Googled "TEE
| Android". But by all means, despite not having either the
| domain-specific knowledge nor the common sense to manage
| to Google it competently, feel entitled to be an arse
| about it. I trust you can read my tone here?
| Nexxxeh wrote:
| I see the benefit of the doubt was unwarranted. Righto.
| ga2mer wrote:
| >you can just use postmarketOS
|
| Only if your device is fully supported
|
| I have about 5 "post market" devices and only two of them have
| any support in postmarketOS: Redmi 4x, in which hardware
| acceleration does not work and I have not been able to run any
| DE on it and Pixel 4a, in which judging by the pmOS wiki page
| works just about everything except the most important part of a
| modern phone - touchscreen
| linmob wrote:
| postmarketOS provides tooling, documentation and a helpful
| community ... at some point, you'll need to put in the work,
| or sell your used devices and buy other, better supported
| used devices to work around this.
|
| Is it really unfortunate that there's no (known)
| mainline/close to mainline touchscreen driver for the Pixel
| 4a? Absolutely. But it won't magically appear without
| somebody putting in the necessary effort.
| calgoo wrote:
| As it's Linux could we run android in a vm and simulate a safe
| device? That's my hope for the future of mobile devices, safe
| VMs that we can run on top of the spyware (government enforced
| stuff too) infested phones.
| franga2000 wrote:
| Unfortunately, most of those misguided "device integrity"
| checkers detect VMs and the best of them (luckily still not
| used very often) are essentially unbeatable (unless there's a
| critical bug) due to hardware-backed attestation.
| gigel82 wrote:
| *worst
| phh wrote:
| > essentially unbeatable (unless there's a critical bug)
| due to hardware-backed attestation.
|
| FWIW Google started enforcing those attestations like one
| month or two ago, and there are many critical bugs. I
| haven't kept scores, but some other people did :
| https://x.com/wanghan1995315/status/1803063996204912873
|
| And please note that they only list big brands leaks. Since
| you can use any OEM's attestation key, /any/ OEM leak can
| break those so-called "security protections". Even after
| all security flaws, there is still social engineering. I
| guesstimate that you could ask an ODM's engineer for an
| attestation key for like 1k$ and share it to like 20
| persons. (200 would probably still remain under the radar,
| but you need to be capable of keeping a secret with 200
| persons)
|
| Though the conclusion shouldn't be that attestation keys
| are insecure and we need a secure variant (because a secure
| variant is indeed coming). The conclusion must be that
| users own the device they bought. Not Google, not Apple.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| > And please note that they only list big brands leaks.
| Since you can use any OEM's attestation key, /any/ OEM
| leak can break those so-called "security protections".
|
| Inevitably though, the price of these will rise, the most
| capable eyes on the planet will have a few very thorough
| looks at all the TPM chip firmware they can get their
| hands on, and eventually platforms will be so secure and
| the price will be so high the only ones left to have them
| are three-letter agencies (if even these).
|
| Anti tamper measures have their place - I'd _really_ love
| to have a device that cannot have a persistent backdoor
| implanted - but the very second the state of the anti-
| tamper measure becomes visible to user-level
| applications, they become an arms race between Big Money
| (=DRM rightsholders and big game studios) and my freedom.
| mindslight wrote:
| > _I 'd really love to have a device that cannot have a
| persistent backdoor implanted - but the very second the
| state of the anti-tamper measure becomes visible to user-
| level applications, they become an arms race between Big
| Money (=DRM rightsholders and big game studios) and my
| freedom._
|
| The two can be reconciled by not having any privileged
| keys baked in by the manufacturer. It's only the
| manufacturers keeping records of the baked in
| attestation/signing key(s) that allows for remote
| attestation to be scaled up into treacherous computing.
| Otherwise if device owners could generate/load new
| attestation/signing keys and have them be
| indistinguishable from any original ones, then that same
| process can be emulated. This would likely require
| legislation to reign in manufacturers' desires to retain
| backdoors, but the point is that it is possible from a
| technical perspective.
| unicornhose wrote:
| There's a place for DRM and similar protections, I don't think
| they're going anywhere.
|
| But I'm still hopeful that phone, email, web, voip, videochat,
| photo and video editing, location, maps, document sync, etc,
| will one day work seamlessly on FOSS devices.
|
| I do think that the apps will have to be recreated as FOSS,
| existing apps will always be antagonistic because they get a
| lot of revenue from being able to control how/when/where the
| software is run.
| zokier wrote:
| Neat project, but hate the branding. Android _is_ Linux. I think
| it 's really important to recognize that. Linux is not just not
| the one traditional POSIX style system, it's a platform to build
| all sorts of systems, including Android.
| denysvitali wrote:
| I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering
| to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/LInux, or as I've recently taken
| to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system
| unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully
| functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
| utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as
| defined by POSIX.
|
| Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system
| every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of
| events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often
| called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is
| basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
|
| There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it
| is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the
| program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to
| the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential
| part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only
| function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux
| is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system:
| the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or
| GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really
| distributions of GNU/Linux.
| pta2002 wrote:
| Ironically, in this specific instance (Android), it actually
| _isn't_ GNU/Linux. Distros like Alpine also aren't GNU/Linux.
| denysvitali wrote:
| True, but it was still worth the meme (:
| eps wrote:
| PS. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/incorrect-quotation.en.html
| aniviacat wrote:
| > It is OK to call it "GNU" when you want to be really
| short, but it is better to call it "GNU/Linux" so as to
| give Torvalds some credit.
|
| I love this line
| burnte wrote:
| Americans, Chinese, and Nigerians are all humans, but it's
| sometimes useful to subdivide the large group for the sake of
| reference. This is why we say Android and not just Linux, as it
| helps us avoid "which Linux is it?"
| user070223 wrote:
| See also @kdrag0n 's work; putting Virtualized linux (and
| windows) on Android phones.
|
| Our phones might be our next Desktops/Laptops/main personal
| computing device: 1. local first (you do go to the bathroom/gas
| station with your phone) 2. portable 3. reduce ewaste, money
| spent
|
| The lack of convenience in the form of larger screen might be
| mitigated using smart glasses, projector(unihertz tank 3 has
| built in), or just connect to an external monitor
|
| Snapdragon 8 gen 3 performs like cpu from 2020 and midtier gpu
| from 2016 AVF might ship with android 15 as Mainline module (One
| need kernel 5.10+)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30322035
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30328692
| fsflover wrote:
| > Our phones might be our next Desktops/Laptops/main personal
| computing device
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19328085
| user070223 wrote:
| Forgot to mention windows on arm is progressing (qcom
| snapdragon elite chipset on microsoft surface devices), qcom
| gunyah hypervisor, MediaTek's GenieZone hypervisor, winlator
| dTal wrote:
| I just want a GPD Micro PC with a cell modem...
| jacek wrote:
| I would love to try it out on my Android tablet. Being able to
| run Linux with a real desktop browser and development environment
| would be really amazing.
| karussell wrote:
| How does it compare to Termux / UserLAnd? See https://termux.dev
| and https://userland.tech
|
| For my purposes Lindroid seems less powerful as it requires root
| and AOSP patches.
| nolist_policy wrote:
| Userland is dog slow since it's based on proot.
|
| Termux needs to patch most of it's packages and is limited in
| what it can run since everything links to bionic libc.
| karussell wrote:
| Interesting. For me Userland is usable and not really slow.
| Dwedit wrote:
| Can it run Wine + FEX Emu?
| unixhero wrote:
| Well it is Linux
| unixhero wrote:
| When is this a useful thing to have?
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