[HN Gopher] Logo: Programming with Turtle Graphics (IBM PC) (1983)
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Logo: Programming with Turtle Graphics (IBM PC) (1983)
Author : susam
Score : 33 points
Date : 2024-06-16 18:46 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| susam wrote:
| This HN submission is incredibly special to me! I had been
| searching for this manual for a very long time, finding several
| closely related documents but never this particular one. When I
| couldn't locate the manual anywhere, I turned to the HN community
| with an "Ask HN" post [1].
|
| Remarkably, within just 23 hours, a generous HN user, rmini,
| scanned all 240 pages of the manual and shared it with us [2].
|
| See the links below for the discussion on the aforementioned "Ask
| HN" post that resulted in this document becoming available on
| archive.org! Thank you, @rmini, for your generosity and help!
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40691792
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| [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40694386
| mmastrac wrote:
| I'm a little biased because I grew up with it, but I think the
| best LOGO implementation was for the COLECO ADAM, with its
| amazing manual:
|
| https://archive.org/details/coleco-adam-smart-logo-manual
| dvirsky wrote:
| That is the first programming environment I ever used. It was an
| amazing starting point.
| yonder wrote:
| For me as well. I've been a CTO of a software company since
| 2011, but this is how I got started.
| delduca wrote:
| I learned how to program in Logo at the age of 8, using the
| turtle.
| ylee wrote:
| I well remember the epiphany I felt while learning Logo in
| elementary school, at the moment I understood what recursion
| is.
|
| While I have never worked as a professional software developer,
| computers have been a hobby all my life. I don't think the fact
| that the language I have mostly written code in in recent years
| is Emacs Lisp is unrelated to the above moment.
| GZGavinZhao wrote:
| At least until around 2015 my elementary school was still using
| Logo as a introduction to programming using a Logo implementation
| on Windows 7. We had no idea that what we were doing was
| programming; it was just fun to see what sort of weird/crazy
| shapes we could come up with and share with other students.
|
| I think its purpose has now been replaced by Scratch, but still,
| good times and I will always remember that little turtle that
| brought us tons of fun.
| sleepybrett wrote:
| I did a summer school/camp program at my local HS when i was
| about maybe 10 or 11 where we learned logo on apple //s, they
| even had a could of turtle robots that were controlled via, i
| assume, the serial port. So by the end we all got to send one of
| our programs to the bot to draw out in sharpie on a big roll of
| craft paper. I'm sure in my parents attic somewhere there it's
| probably still rolled up in a box.
|
| Love the immediacy and physicality of that to this day, which is
| why i still love processing as a learning language for kids.
|
| Oh nice, someone has done some work restoring on of those little
| robots: https://www.waitingforfriday.com/?p=70
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| For their ancestors, see:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Grey_Walter#Robots
| ayhanfuat wrote:
| "How do I move the turtle in Logo" was one of the controversial
| questions in Stack Overflow back in the date. It was posted by
| Joel Spolsky, one of the co-creators and then deleted by Jeff
| Atwood, the other co-creator. I like it because it illustrates
| the two cultures so well. Joel thought it was a reasonable and
| answerable question and Jeff thought it wasn't specific enough to
| be a real question. In the end Stack Overflow went Jeff's way
| which I think is a pity. The question was undeleted later for its
| "historical significance":
| https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1003841/how-do-i-move-th...
| cies wrote:
| My first proglang, at age 7, was MSX-LOGO. English is not my
| first language, but this language was translated to my mother
| tongue, and came with an instruction book in my mother tongue. So
| I could get started, all by myself, at a rather young age.
|
| After getting the fundamentals down in MSX-LOGO, I learned BASIC
| and some part of English at the same time: learning BASIC made
| learning English fun. This was before I had any classes in
| English.
|
| I hoped MSX-BASIC allowed me to make fast running programs, but
| it did not. It was not until many years later that I got
| introduced to open source. Now I has access to compilers,
| libraries, languages: everything I needed to make fast programs.
|
| Aware of my new found powers I decided to build a modern version
| of MSX-LOGO: an integrated programming environment for learning
| purpose in which the syntax is translated to the mother tongue of
| the programmer. I got it into the KDE project so it would be
| translated.
|
| Tada:
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| https://apps.kde.org/kturtle/
|
| I've met several people who's first experience with programming
| was with KTurtle in a language other than English (it's currently
| translated in 25+ languages)
|
| https://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kf6/package/kturtle/
|
| If we want to have a rich open source ecosystem we better make
| the on-ramp for new contributors are easy as can be. In this way
| I wanted to give back (help strengthen) the open source commons.
| twothamendment wrote:
| I used turtle in middle school. I think that was my first
| experience where I got to tell a computer what to do and make
| something. We had a very limited amount of time in the lab, but I
| loved every bit if it!
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