[HN Gopher] Snowden: "They've gone full mask-off: do not ever tr...
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Snowden: "They've gone full mask-off: do not ever trust OpenAI or
its products"
Author : underlogic
Score : 77 points
Date : 2024-06-14 22:13 UTC (48 minutes ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (twitter.com)
| xenospn wrote:
| Doesn't he work for Putin these days?
| A_D_E_P_T wrote:
| Are you aware of the circumstances of how he ended up there?
| I'm not sure what options you think he had.
| RegularOpossum wrote:
| Should have never run and would have been out free by now
| like Chelsea Manning.
| kemotep wrote:
| Same with Reality Winner.
|
| Seems like everyone else who blew the whistle about this
| stuff didn't need to run away.
| paulryanrogers wrote:
| My guess is he'd be serving a life sentence.
| pizzzle wrote:
| And rightly so, given the magnitude of his crimes.
| segasaturn wrote:
| He may have, but it's not as like we knew Manning was going
| to be pardoned in 2013. She was also put through extremely
| cruel and unusual treatment during detention, such as being
| kept in solitary confinement for months at a time for no
| reason other than to make an example.
| dturdr wrote:
| He deserved the punishment he got. Should still be there,
| and would be if it wasn't for the interfering pardoning
| process.
| Glyptodon wrote:
| Powers that be have always had it in waaaaaay more for
| Snowden. I don't think he'd be free like Manning.
| viraptor wrote:
| Unless you're involved in that decision making process and
| leaking the information here, that's just pure random guy
| internet speculation. The scope for them was very different
| and you're basically saying "trust this with your life,
| you'll be totally fine".
| klAsglx wrote:
| What is this based on? No matter what people think he
| deserves, my guess is that Snowden, like Assange, is a
| character that the ruling class wants to make an example
| of. Chelsea Manning does not threaten the ruling class,
| especially after you know what.
|
| Assange is still being charged.
| janice1999 wrote:
| Remember when Mike Pompeo, who would go on to be both a CIA
| Director and Secretary of State, publicly called for
| Snowden to be executed. I do.
| Smeevy wrote:
| I totally agree that he didn't have many options.
|
| A consequence of him choosing to be under the protection of
| an adversary of my country is that his opinions about my
| country carry much less weight with me now.
| fooker wrote:
| But it is not an opinion about your country, unless you
| think there's significant symbiosis between OpenAI and the
| US government, proving his point.
| Smeevy wrote:
| Quite the opposite. He's saying that OpenAI is a tool of
| the American surveillance state. I don't even really
| disagree with that.
|
| Edward Snowden saying it while under the protection of
| the Russian government makes me look for ulterior
| motives. That's how we're supposed to treat
| disinformation, isn't it?
| dijit wrote:
| He was en route somewhere else, the US cancelled his
| passport and downed diplomatic planes out of russia that
| they suspected he was on, this was an international scandal
| that you conveniently forgot.
|
| Can we please put these myths to bed? or are you intending
| to intentionally spread this misinformation?
| cryptoegorophy wrote:
| I wonder what the options are. Seems like any developed
| country would given him to USA without any issues no matter
| how illegal it is (see Kim Dotcom saga), and out of all the
| "pro Russia " options Russia(Moscow) is the most developed
| one to have a good lifestyle.
| georgeplusplus wrote:
| how he ended up there has no impact on what influence Putin
| has over him now. Which is a lot. And incase you don't follow
| the war in Ukraine, where dissidents and journalists are
| jailed for straying even slightly from the main narrative. He
| doesn't get a free pass, hes very likely pressured to a large
| degree especially given the influencer like status he wields.
| Smeevy wrote:
| I wonder if he has any thoughts about the war in Ukraine?
|
| That's weird... he hasn't tweeted (xeeted?) anything about
| that.
| AlexandrB wrote:
| Totally irrelevant. And I say this as someone who still has
| family in Ukraine.
|
| Why does it matter what Snowden has to say about Ukraine?
| He's neither a subject matter expert on the topic nor
| particularly known for his geopolitical opinions.
| tempestn wrote:
| Not to mention he clearly wouldn't be free to talk openly
| about it.
| joemi wrote:
| I think that's why they mentioned Ukraine - to point out
| that it's always in Snowden's best interest to be
| critical of the US and US things, and remind us to bear
| that in mind when considering him and what he says.
| nashashmi wrote:
| It is not a digital war. He won't have much to say other than
| America wants Russia to fight Ukraine to tire out Russia,
| even if Ukrainians are devastated.
| wumeow wrote:
| His opinions on the Russian intelligence apparatus are also
| curiously missing.
| poikroequ wrote:
| Maybe, but with a gun pointed at his head. Or maybe there's
| just an open window nearby.
| vouaobrasil wrote:
| I don't need Snowden to tell me not to trust OpenAI. The feeling
| I got when reading just a few words when I first found out about
| the company was the same feeling one gets when walking into a
| used car shop run by the guy who bullied you in high school.
| ranger_danger wrote:
| Many people DO need someone to tell them though. Would you
| rather nothing was said at all?
| threeseed wrote:
| Of course there is a legitimate reason for having Nakasone on the
| board.
|
| OpenAI is highly sensitive to regulation which is why they have
| such a large lobbying team trying to push the US government in
| their direction. He (a) brings political connections and (b)
| gives confidence that any advancements won't threaten US national
| security. It is pretty common amongst enterprise boards.
|
| The reality is that the perceptions of what AI can do is
| impacting the world far more than what it can actually do.
| bagels wrote:
| If you want to sell to the government, this is also a good
| idea.
| contingencies wrote:
| Let's crowdsource some prompt engineering to win an election.
| threeseed wrote:
| According to the OpenAI CTO, ChatGPT5 is not going to break
| new ground.
|
| So if you were Sam the smart thing to do is to get your
| platform embedded absolutely everywhere before the heat
| starts to come out of this iteration of AI.
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| >According to the OpenAI CTO, ChatGPT5 is not going to
| break new ground.
|
| Source?
| threeseed wrote:
| "Mira Murati says the AI models that OpenAI have in their
| labs are not much more advanced than those which are
| publicly available."
|
| https://x.com/tsarnick/status/1801022339162800336?s=46
| tmpz22 wrote:
| Reminds me of Henry Kissinger and others being put on the
| Theranos board.
|
| How do we know these board seats are real and not just rubber
| stamping everything for the free pay check?
| hecanjog wrote:
| The rest of the tweet (I assume) is quoted here in case you have
| twitter blocked too:
|
| https://fortune.com/2024/06/14/edward-snowden-eviscerates-op...
| random_kris wrote:
| Lol why would you block twitter haha
| sroerick wrote:
| Is the implication that they're training OpenAI on NSA data?
| nashashmi wrote:
| What choice do we have?
| OutOfHere wrote:
| You have a choice, and it is simple. Earn money. Buy GPUs.
| Download llama3 or comparable open models. Run them. Stop using
| the OpenAI LLMs. Stop willingly feeding the surveillance
| industrial complex.
| dturdr wrote:
| Can we please just ignore this worthless, treacherous egotist?
| All he's doing is trying to stay relevant by pointing out the
| obvious.
| joemi wrote:
| From the same tweet: "This is a willful, calculated betrayal of
| the rights of every person on Earth."
|
| Sounds like a bit of a hyperbole to me.
| elevatedastalt wrote:
| Dunno the details of this specific issue, but hyperbole is
| pretty standard for Snowden. I don't blame him too much. The
| guy has been through hell. But let's just say his Twitter
| proclamations aren't exactly neutrally worded.
| pizzzle wrote:
| He brought it all upon himself. The only person to blame for
| Snowden's situation now is Snowden.
| andsoitis wrote:
| Concur. While being alarmist can help elevate a cause, it
| should be used sparingly lest you be seen as crying wolf.
| imchillyb wrote:
| OpenAI did the reasonable and logical thing here. They're easing
| themselves around regulatory hurdles, possibly avoiding Senate
| committee interrogations, and legitimizing themselves all with a
| single board seat.
|
| Snowden's being disingenuous. He knows all of this and has chosen
| to ignore the above in service of an agenda.
|
| What _actual_ choice did OpenAI have here? If they do not accept
| an NSA board member today, what would OpenAI be forced to accept
| later?
| OutOfHere wrote:
| OpenAI is very guilty of pushing for regulation of AI, leading
| to all these issues in the first place. They themselves created
| the poison of regulation for which they now purchased the
| antidote. They had a choice to not scaremonger or push for
| regulation, but to fight for freedom on constitutional grounds.
| AndrewKemendo wrote:
| OpenAI - whose CEO is Sam Altman, is financially backed by
| Microsoft, using Microsoft infrastructure and search and is now
| embedded in Apple, has crossed the line by adding the former
| NSA/CSS Commander to the board?
|
| I'm a huge Snowden fan but cmon dude...Give me a break
|
| OpenAI was never some indie thing
|
| OpenAI is the most perfect physical manifestation of cynical,
| alienating, self-important narcissistic capitalism that has ever
| been seen
|
| You would think LVMH would take this title, but there's no more
| hypnotizing scrying device for burgeoning psychopathic
| narcissists (CEOs, "influencers", rappers etc..) than the endless
| fawning solipsism on demand from a simulacrum of a human
| omoikane wrote:
| > Source: The Verge
|
| https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/13/24178079/openai-board-pau...
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40680962 - Former head of
| NSA joins OpenAI board
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