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Freenet 2024 - a drop-in decentralized replacement for the web
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Author : sanity
Score : 46 points
Date : 2024-06-14 00:22 UTC (22 hours ago)
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| kstrauser wrote:
| The last time I played with Freenet, it was glacially slow. Like,
| it took several minutes to load a basic page. What's the user
| experience like today?
| ericrosedev wrote:
| I'm still convinced the Internet Computer has a real chance at
| being the replacement for AWS et al
| kristopolous wrote:
| So how does freenet prevent the spreading of slander, libel, or
| otherwise abusive content?
|
| I understand not many places have an answer for this question,
| I'm wondering if Freenet does yet.
| generalizations wrote:
| I'd say that's the wrong priority to focus on in a project like
| this.
| llm_trw wrote:
| Unfortunately until god comes down from heaven we have no way
| of figuring out what is slander, libel, or otherwise abusive
| content.
| fallingsquirrel wrote:
| Not everyone believes censorship is a feature worth
| compromising the design of a network.
|
| How does the USPS prevent libel?
|
| How does the global telephone network prevent slander?
| _heimdall wrote:
| Are libel, slander, and censorship all similar concerns in
| you opinion?
|
| I see libel and slander concerns over what another person
| says while censorship is an entity with more authority/power
| stopping me from what I want to say. The implied power
| imbalance alone makes censorship a much bigger concern to me,
| though maybe I'm biased there.
| kristopolous wrote:
| I presume you've flipped the bozo bit on me and will take my
| response in bad faith but I'll do so anyway.
|
| There's a difference between something that is intentionally
| anonymized, intentionally distributed and intentionally for
| perpetuity. There's a number of properties to freenet that
| makes an affordance for malice.
|
| here's some recent instances, specifically with freenet:
|
| https://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/utah-icac-task-force-
| arrest... https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/fort-bend-man-
| sentenced...
| https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2024/jan/15/benton-
| count...
|
| There's no server to seize, no way to take it offline, it's
| there, encrypted, for perpetuity. Just scroll:
| https://news.google.com/search?q=freenet%20arrest
|
| Also when you allocate say 100GB of space for Freenet, what's
| the assurance you aren't hosting such content?
|
| You can call this the "4chan" problem. Regardless of the
| virtues of the people who built it, there weren't enough
| safeguards to prevent the bad actors from becoming the
| dominant users and eventually the inmates who ran the asylum.
|
| I want the channel built by and the principles held by
| Freenet to be preserved and not polluted by propagandists,
| fabulists, scammers, and pornographers
| rini17 wrote:
| There were unofficial lists of content keys for child porn you
| could use to purge them from your local storage. That was the
| most you could do.
| hiq wrote:
| From https://freenet.org/faq#faq-2:
|
| > In 2019, Ian began work on a successor to the original Freenet,
| which was internally known as "Locutus." This project, a redesign
| from the ground up, incorporated lessons learned from the
| original Freenet's development and operation, and adapted to
| today's challenges. In March 2023, the original version of
| Freenet was separated into its own project, and what was known as
| "Locutus" was officially branded as "Freenet."
|
| And https://freenet.org/faq#faq-3:
|
| > Anonymity: While the previous version was designed with a focus
| on anonymity, the current version does not offer built-in
| anonymity but allows for a choice of anonymizing systems to be
| layered on top.
|
| So what has been known as Freenet and the new Freenet are quite
| different apparently.
| evbogue wrote:
| Locutus as in borged Picard?
| ravenstine wrote:
| Maybe, though it could also be that locutus is a Latin word
| that essentially means "speak". Adds another layer of meaning
| to its use in Star Trek. :D
| dccoolgai wrote:
| It was not the first, either: See "Cleveland Freenet"
| https://cfn.tangledhelix.com/
| gman83 wrote:
| So apparently this project isn't the old Freenet, that's been
| renamed to "Hyphanet" - https://www.hyphanet.org. The same team
| started a new project, originally called "Locutus" and then
| renamed that to Freenet. A bit confusing.
|
| I remember hearing about Freenet like 20 years ago, I think on
| Kuro5hin, kind of amazing it's still going.
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