[HN Gopher] OpenAI appoints Retired U.S. Army General Paul M. Na...
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OpenAI appoints Retired U.S. Army General Paul M. Nakasone to Board
Author : flawn
Score : 66 points
Date : 2024-06-13 21:12 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| sweettea wrote:
| This seems very much the beginning of the situation predicted by
| Aschenbrenner in [1], where the AI labs eventually will be fully
| part of the national security apparatus. Fascinating to see if
| the other major AI labs also add ex-military folks to their
| directors or whether this is unique to OpenAI.
|
| Or conceivably his experience is genuinely relevant and unrelated
| to US national security going forward, completely unrelated to
| the governmental apparatus and not a sign of the times.
|
| [1] situational-awareness.ai
| Teever wrote:
| LLMs are exactly what that NSA datacenter in Utah was built
| for.
|
| It's gonna be wild to see what secret needles come out of that
| haystack.
| WalterSear wrote:
| [delayed]
| blackhawkC17 wrote:
| Former director of the National Security Agency (NSA)...good to
| know the U.S. government keeps tabs on my ChatGPT prompts :)
| Frummy wrote:
| You're not self-censoring in your prompts? Lagging behind!
| neilv wrote:
| Will there soon be regulator-industry revolving doors for AI?
| ur-whale wrote:
| > OpenAI appoints Retired U.S. Army General to board.
|
| Very typical move of a company planning to enter the military
| supplier space.
| andy_ppp wrote:
| Of course Sigint want to be letting these models scan
| everything but I guess the really interesting part is how much
| data the NSA has to make the models even better.
| causal wrote:
| Relevant Schneier post
|
| https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/12/ai-and-
| mass-s...
| dogtorwoof wrote:
| Ex-NSA...how are we supposed to feel about this?
| smt88 wrote:
| We should be horrified and thank the many people who have blown
| the whistle about Sam Altman. He is dangerously greedy and has
| no principles.
| Jimmc414 wrote:
| Do you not see the national security aspects of 2024 AI? It's
| very similar to the nuclear race where, right or wrong, there
| is a non-zero possibility of a winner take all supremacy
| scenario where the first to reach superintelligence rules the
| world.
| JohnFen wrote:
| There may be a nonzero chance of developing a
| superintelligence (or even AGI in any meaningful sense),
| but it's so close to zero that it doesn't matter.
|
| Particularly because if a superintelligence is actually
| created, it won't matter who did it. It won't be the
| servant of the creators.
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| Ex director of the NSA, but to be fair it has been a whole four
| months since then. What are the chances he still has
| connections with the agency?
| markus_zhang wrote:
| Definitely zero.
| benopal64 wrote:
| Yeah, they brain-wipe you after you leave the NSA /s
| manquer wrote:
| Or rather that agency has still connections to him
| Ntrails wrote:
| > What are the chances he still has connections with the
| agency?
|
| _Inconceivable_
| karaterobot wrote:
| [eye twitching]
|
| ... Good. Everything's so good.
| JohnFen wrote:
| It looks to me like a sign that OpenAI is getting more
| comfortable with revealing their true colors.
| oldstrangers wrote:
| I've always wondered if the US Government's AI research is as
| advanced as their general technological lead (usually 10-15 years
| ahead of consumer tech). If so, it would mean OpenAI has more to
| gain with such a partnership than the other way around. And maybe
| this sort of oversight is a kind of de facto requirement when
| approaching AGI.
| AlotOfReading wrote:
| The US government doesn't have a general technological lead.
| There are a only few specific areas where they have leads by
| virtue of funding/doing most of the research, like
| cryptography, sensors, explosives and such. Most of these areas
| are relatively narrow too. The government is usually buying
| special versions of readily available commercial products. Any
| F500 company could buy things just as powerful.
| notatoad wrote:
| In what fields is the government 10-15 years ahead of consumer
| tech? That seems like a totally absurd claim.
|
| Technology moves a _very_ long way in 15 years. The only
| markets this might be true is for specialized military
| equipment where there is no consumer market other than
| aftermarket military goods.
| activitypea wrote:
| Shoutouts to Metal Gear Solid 2, not much else left to say here.
| bezier-curve wrote:
| Its commentary on AI and surveillance was really ahead of its
| time.
| simonw wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Nakasone
|
| He was the director of the NSA AND head of United States Cyber
| Command from 2018 until his retirement in Feb 2024 - so very
| recent!
| walterbell wrote:
| Ex-Google Eric Schmidt chaired U.S. NSCAI (National Security
| Commission on Artificial Intelligence), it's worth reading the
| final report (2021),
| https://web.archive.org/web/20230211035940/https://www.nscai...
|
| _> ... our leaders confront the classic dilemma of statecraft
| identified by Henry Kissinger: "When your scope for action is
| greatest, the knowledge on which you can base this action is
| always at a minimum. When your knowledge is greatest, the scope
| for action has often disappeared." ... AI systems will also be
| used in the pursuit of power. We fear AI tools will be weapons of
| first resort in future conflicts. AI will not stay in the domain
| of superpowers or the realm of science fiction. AI is dual-use,
| often open-source, and diffusing rapidly._
| 2kajshg wrote:
| There are many ways to read this. One of the most obvious ones is
| that ChatGPT is becoming more and more disappointing after the
| initial surprise, so the tech has to be flipped to the MIC.
| turtleyacht wrote:
| Military Industrial Complex
| tonfreed wrote:
| Well lads, it was fun while it lasted
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