[HN Gopher] Oracle Java police start knocking on Fortune 200's d...
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Oracle Java police start knocking on Fortune 200's doors for first
time
Author : dangle1
Score : 23 points
Date : 2024-06-10 22:26 UTC (33 minutes ago)
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| Terr_ wrote:
| Reminds me of a funny quip that's stuck with me, about "falling
| into a trap":
|
| > [Oracle, as contrasted to Sun Microsystems] It's more like:
| "Ship mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our
| customers, and make a _whole shitload of money_. " [...]
|
| > If you were to actually have a conversation with a _bank_ --a
| friggin _bank_ --[...]Whether you believe it or not, you will get
| a very societally-engaged answer. [...] You talk to Oracle, it's
| like "No, we don't fuckin' make dreams happen, we make _money_ ,
| that's what we do!" [...]
|
| > Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing [Oracle CEO]
| Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you
| think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower,
| the lawnmower just doesn't--like, mows the lawn, you stick your
| hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think
| "Oh, the lawnmower hates me"--lawnmower doesn't give a shit about
| you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the
| lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle.
|
| -- Brian Cantrill:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=35m32s
| talldayo wrote:
| The longer I live, the more companies I see fill Oracle's
| archetype. It feels like a bad omen for capitalism.
| gear54rus wrote:
| What social/political force do you see opposing that trend?
| Or why is that a bad omen?
| DowagerDave wrote:
| >> founder and CEO of Palisade Compliance, an independent Oracle
| licensing advisory company.
|
| What a world we live in when there's a market for a company
| providing this service. Oracle is truly a disgusting company.
| They offer a very generous cloud computing package but you'd have
| to be insane to build on it.
| _DeadFred_ wrote:
| Oracle needs to go in the business of selling off 'Oracle tax'
| collection like the Romans' did their tax collection. Then they
| could really extract some value from this.
| burnte wrote:
| > They offer a very generous cloud computing package but you'd
| have to be insane to build on it.
|
| Absolutely. I've seen companies get into major trouble building
| on Oracle products, then when renewal time comes the prices
| triple and they literally can't afford it. One company I
| consulted with in 2000 just shut down rather than renew with
| Oracle. They were a smallish startup and the Oracle costs blew
| the budget out of the water, they decided to just kill that
| idea.
|
| And Salesforce is the same. Great product, viscous company. I
| had a major row with then in '21 over licensing fees during
| contract renewal negotiations. Details aside, the exec I dealt
| with made it clear they felt they had us over a barrel and had
| zero desire to help us. I said if we can't even get some
| flexibility we'll have to move to another product. He literally
| laughed at me and said he didn't care. So I moved the entire
| company to a competitor in 45 days. He sent an email a few days
| before the signing deadline asking when I'd sign it, I said,
| "we're on another product now so we won't be renewing. You're
| free to terminate our account at any time. We've removed all
| sensitive data already." He called my cell several times a day
| for two weeks after that. I never answered.
| MissTake wrote:
| Brilliant idea. Find all the companies who are probably already
| seething about Broadcoms ridiculous price increases, and kick
| them in the metaphorical financial nuts some more.
|
| I mean, how can this go wrong for them?
|
| /s
| cbsmith wrote:
| Not really for the first time.
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