[HN Gopher] Microsoft Recall should make you consider Linux
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Microsoft Recall should make you consider Linux
Author : cdme
Score : 66 points
Date : 2024-06-05 22:05 UTC (57 minutes ago)
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| micw wrote:
| I guess if you not considered linux after windows 10 and windows
| 11, recall also won't make you consider linux.
| mey wrote:
| Annoying popups to enable OneDrive are bad but not catastrophic
| compared to the functionality Windows provides. This feels like
| it is.
| WarOnPrivacy wrote:
| > Annoying popups to enable OneDrive are bad but not
| catastrophic
|
| To be fair, it really is scores and scores of jabs to avoid
| in Windows - with more added bi-weekly. Today I had to
| counter (for many users)
|
| 1) the orange notify dot (start menu->user) trying to lure
| users into a non-consensual Microsoft account setup and
|
| 2) the clickable suggestions on the lock screen, carefully
| positioned in the click-space where the password box will be.
|
| It's like MS found a copy of _Creepy Uncle For Dummies_ and
| hovered for hours over every page.
| koolba wrote:
| At some point the frog _does_ jump out of the pot.
| qwertox wrote:
| I know that I'm going to move away. I just don't know if to
| MacOS or Linux. I'll wait until the M4 Mac Studio is released
| and then decide.
| jakogut wrote:
| Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
|
| At a certain point it becomes apparent that proprietary
| operating system vendors don't have your best interest at
| heart, and the only winning move is software freedom.
| christkv wrote:
| I had exactly this conversation with a friend of mine today
| looking at getting a one of the new windows arm laptops. I can't
| see this features not ending up in tears down the road.
| JohnFen wrote:
| If/when my Windows-using friends move to 11 on a machine that
| meets the hardware requirements for Recall, I will make sure
| they know how to turn it off and strongly encourage them to do
| so.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Are you going to constantly remind them to check that is
| still off after the first time they turn it off. This is
| exactly the kind of setting that I would expect to get reset
| after any/all updates
| dgunay wrote:
| I'm just hoping that Linux support on the new Snapdragon ARM
| laptops is good. I've already completely abandoned Windows but
| I'm holding out on getting a new laptop because I would prefer
| not to run MacOS.
| dheera wrote:
| I really want Framework to come out with an Linux-supporting
| ARM motherboard that has 24 hours of battery life
| Thegn wrote:
| https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-...
|
| I know someone who works for Qualcomm, he says they are taking
| Linux support very seriously.
| t0mas88 wrote:
| Windows 10 made me buy a mac... After many years of alternating
| between Windows and Linux, the lazy "drivers just work"
| alternative without all the Microsoft bloat is a Mac.
|
| Linux is great, love it on the server, but it's never a "just
| works" experience on any modern laptop type hardware.
| acidburnNSA wrote:
| Drivers seem to just work in Linux now too these days!
| shric wrote:
| Tell that to anyone wanting a performant Wayland experience
| with an Nvidia GPU and Sway while maintaining secure boot.
|
| It's doable, but it doesn't "just work".
| talldayo wrote:
| Should work soon; 555-series drivers are doing great on
| GNOME and KDE both in my testing.
|
| But yes; Nvidia has been the sore thumb of Wayland and
| Linux adoption for almost a decade now. It's interesting to
| see the tides finally start turning!
| t0mas88 wrote:
| Does a high dpi screen, WiFi 6 and hibernate all work out of
| the box these days and keep working for a few years? Because
| I still see coworkers with issues in those areas even in
| 2024, while a simple macbook air does all of those no
| questions asked. Maybe they're not doing it right, but it
| looks close to my experience up to a few years ago.
| dgunay wrote:
| It's hit or miss. Some laptops work flawlessly, others do
| not. And then there's the gamut of features that not many
| people use, but maybe it's critical to your use case (like a
| mixed multi-monitor setup).
| TylerE wrote:
| For the most boring consumer stuff maybe, but like any audio
| hardware that ain't totally mainstream is not good.
| speed_spread wrote:
| I would happily pay 15$/month to get a maintained Linux distro
| that "just works" on my machine without the Mac
| bloat/perkiness/weknowbetterthanyoudo. Many distros get _so_
| close, but there's always an extra setup step to get basic
| things right. Machines-specific drivers, etc.
| al_borland wrote:
| I bought a cheap mini pc a while back that shipped with Windows
| 11. I ultimately planned to use Linux, but kept the Windows
| install around "just in case" and went for a dual boot. In case
| of what? I have no idea, I haven't had Windows in my house in
| many years. I think I didn't want to give up the license, and
| when I looked around, I couldn't find an easy way to save it.
|
| I saw recall about the same time as I was thinking of using the
| mini pc for something else. Seeing what Windows had planned, and
| seeing Copilot shoehorned into my taskbar after a Windows update
| was enough. I blew away the install and only have Linux running
| now.
| omgwtfusb wrote:
| in theory, if it has been activated once on that machine it
| should install without a product key and activate based on
| hardware identifiers, so should be fine to nuke the partition
| observationist wrote:
| A company floating this 20 years ago would have been laughed into
| oblivion. Stuff like this is a nightmare; it's terrifying that
| Microsoft just trots it out like they have, as if there's
| absolutely nothing wrong or concerning at all.
| oakpond wrote:
| A problem with AI I don't hear anybody really talking about is
| how it is creating a massive incentive to start gathering more
| and more personal information. More and more training data will
| be needed to make better and better AI products.
| luyu_wu wrote:
| If the data is ananomous (as it should in all telemetry), this
| is less of a concern. But yeah, it's definitely concerning to
| see more incentive for data collection beyond ad targeting.
| simonw wrote:
| Andrej Karpathy:
| https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1797313173449764933
|
| > Turns out that LLMs learn a lot better and faster from
| educational content as well. This is partly because the average
| Common Crawl article (internet pages) is not of very high value
| and distracts the training, packing in too much irrelevant
| information. The average webpage on the internet is so random
| and terrible it's not even clear how prior LLMs learn anything
| at all.
|
| People keep assuming that AI companies want to pipe any old
| junk into their models, but I'm increasingly convinced that
| this isn't true.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Setting aside the copyright issues--just like the AI
| companies already have--it would be interesting to train a
| model only on text books of all ages. Would it be able to
| tell the edits/revisions/versions that have been made over
| time and categorize them from new learning vs changes in
| political winds?
| amlib wrote:
| And all the drivel that google's own search AI has been
| spewing comes from where? Or the incredible breadth of, often
| wrong, knowledge that ChatGPT can spew out in seconds, where
| does that comes from?
|
| Maybe at some point they will try to create their own, very
| limited, "knowledge base" but then those AI assistants cease
| to be a jack of all trades, while still being masters of
| nothing.
| mondomondo wrote:
| It's funny people think that they have a choice about using MS
| products.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Linux isn't suitable for the non-tech user, and it will never be.
| Linux will never reach the peak that Windows has. It's just too
| clunky.
|
| Those willing to seek something different will embrace but if I
| gave my mother a computer with Linux installed, I'd never not be
| tech support.
|
| And my mother is technology oriented. Her first computer was a
| Wang Labs machine back from the 80's. She can create her own
| website, operate photoshop and she even built her own system.
| She's 73.
|
| Recall just doesn't matter to those out of the geek sector. As
| with privacy for that matter. "I got nothing to hide"
| luyu_wu wrote:
| This comment seems unnecessarily brutal and reads like it is
| written by someone who knows nothing about Linux. If anything,
| keep your mind open and never say never.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| I'm a Unix admin. I've used Linux for over 15 years ever
| since the age of 13, where a dutch hacker gave me a box
| debian. Kernel 2x was my first setup.
|
| Icepack Linux:
|
| https://distrowatch.com/table-
| mobile.php?distribution=icepac...
|
| Was my first ever OS.
|
| When Matrox S3 drivers were something you needed to modify
| yourself and Xorg was XFree86.
|
| If I was to gloat. Sadly my open mind has become a cynical
| one a long time ago.
| Ao7bei3s wrote:
| You experience as a _Unix_ admin may be working against
| you. What do you know about modern, end-user desktop
| _Linux_?
|
| I don't you personally, of course, but I would not be
| surprised if a person with that self-description was
| "skeptical" of systemd, Wayland, PulseAudio, GNOME,
| graphical file managers and Chrome, and would never use
| Pop!_OS. But that is the go-to, works-by-default, end user
| friendly stack.
|
| Also, it is important to make a fair comparison. Windows
| and Mac are clunky too, and regular users deal with it and
| mostly forget about it instead of feeding into the .
|
| To take a few Mac examples (I have a multi page list): my
| Mac reliably overheated and slowed if charging from the
| left side USB ports (right side ports are ok), I couldn't
| get my brand name document scanner to work in Mac (even
| with paid software), my wireless mouse's back/forward
| buttons didn't work (until I installed a tool I found on
| Github), and text is blurry on an external monitor (none of
| the obscure copy/pasteable commands found on the internet
| fixed it). Windows forums are full of helpless "my game
| crashes" problems and useless "update your Nvidia drivers"
| and "reboot your router" advice.
| okanat wrote:
| I used Linux as my primary OS for 15 years and currently earn
| money from maintaining an internal distro that is compiled
| from scratch. I agree with the commenter 100%.
| bibliotekka wrote:
| Your mom sounds cool.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Some people cherry pick something that's hard to do on Linux
| and then jump to the conclusion that Linux is consistently hard
| to use. It is not.
|
| Windows reached its peak through deals where it comes
| preinstalled.
|
| Windows is bloated and OEM manufacturers add even more bloat to
| it. The result is sluggish machines that are a complete waste
| of potential.
|
| Forced updates, ads and now outright spying makes Windows the
| inferior choice. Having 3 extra FPS in some dumb game is not
| worth your privacy.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Right, and for a gamer they may. But the average gamer is now
| more console than PC.
|
| As a legacy gamer when of the age 20, I didn't care about the
| crap that Microsoft pushed upon. I just downloaded some rogue
| Powershell script, probably infecting myself with a trojan
| and just played games.
|
| Looking at porn after hours. People just don't care.
| k310 wrote:
| My brother, the least tech-oriented person you can imagine, got
| tired of windows updates breaking his drivers and ended up with
| a linux system sold by and supported by Dell. I get zero calls
| for help.
|
| Other than browsing, he uses Libre Office for random documents
| and a photo management app I forgot. I take his experience as a
| very positive sign for linux.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I was with up until your last graph.
|
| Just because people are not aware that Recall exists and is
| actively collecting data without their knowing does not mean it
| doesn't matter. The people that believe it doesn't matter is
| precisely why these companies get away with what they do.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| I'm not saying it doesn't matter; stereotyping here, you've
| got two groups.
|
| Those who know about it, and don't care and those who don't
| know but do care.
|
| Those who do live in the world of part time computer usage.
| They check their facebook, shop amazon, grocery shop. But are
| the "I've got nothing to hide, so what does it matter"
| category.
|
| And those who are concerned for it are unable to embrace the
| difference. As like teaching an old dog new tricks. By all
| means they can, and they want to change. The learning curve
| is however too steep.
|
| What they have learnt is what they can handle. They don't the
| same time to learn as the younger audience does. My mother
| wants the internet to look up patterns of leaves so she can
| lino print not wanting to diagnose why systemd hangs at night
| when she turns off her computer.
|
| If you take an existing install of Linux
|
| First of all, who is the one going to give them a USB key and
| let them install the OS? Burning an ISO is tricky enough for
| anyone. Google usb iso burner and you get swamped by download
| promiscuous download sites. My father doesn't know about
| Rufus, my mother doesn't know about DD.
|
| And this is where Windows and OSX leaps ahead. They come pre-
| installed, press the power button and your good to go.
|
| Back to Linux you then have to run some chonky installer.
| Ubuntu's installer is astrocious in requiring to be connected
| to the internet. You then have to hope that the drivers work.
|
| Compatibility is better than how it used to be but with OEM
| computers it can be easily sabotaged by the vendor and then
| on top of that the decision of the Window Manager and hope
| they like.
|
| It's not an easy change.
| delduca wrote:
| I have migrated my gaming machine to Linux, and it have been
| great!
|
| The reason was the introduction of copilot, ads and other
| shenanigans.
| illusive4080 wrote:
| ...how can you effectively game on Linux? Can you use Steam in
| home streaming too? I'd love to ditch windows
| Danny_Dan4 wrote:
| TL;DR, Steam's Proton compatibility layer. 90% of steam games
| work out of the box on it, with the biggest exceptions that
| don't work being due to anti-cheats explicitly preventing the
| game from running in something like proton/wine. You can
| thank the steam deck for bringing this level of
| functionality, as it's basically a Linux box with -actually
| reasonable defaults-.
| delduca wrote:
| Through the Proton. Yes. You can streaming to any steam
| receiver/app :-)
| aceazzameen wrote:
| I'm all for people switching to Linux from Windows. But doesn't
| Recall only work on Microsoft Copilot+ PCs? I'm assuming anyone
| on a normal PC doesn't have to worry about Recall. But I could be
| completely wrong.
| hhh wrote:
| Yes, for now.
| mhh__ wrote:
| One day an update will turn it on everywhere. Possibly by
| accident.
| firtoz wrote:
| You can see it as a testbed.
|
| Now it's those machines only, and opt-out.
|
| Eventually more and more machines will come with the necessary
| chips.
|
| And it will be more of an effort to opt out. Then only
| professional versions will be able to opt out, through more and
| more complicated pathways. Eventually it'll just be part of the
| OS.
|
| Meanwhile they'll find ways to sell the side effects of the
| functionality to other organisations, for example to monitor
| employees etc, to begin with. Then to governments, why not.
| kevinh wrote:
| Why should I switch now and not at point 3 or 4 in that flow
| if your hypothetical ever comes to pass?
| firtoz wrote:
| Because it becomes more and more normalised and you will be
| less likely to be creeped out by it because "everyone has
| it so it's k"
| echohack5 wrote:
| Death by a thousand cuts. Microsoft Recall in a vacuum
| isn't the issue, but rather a decade of
|
| - Forced Cortana (oops no let's shut that down) - Forced OS
| Updates (oops your computer doesn't have the requirements)
| - Ads in your start menu - "Yes" and "maybe later"
| interactions everywhere - Edge force defaulting itself on
| occasion - Literally needing configuration management to
| run powershell on a daily cadence because settings might
| not get respected - 5 Layers of failed UI frameworks duct
| taped together
|
| Basically Windows is becoming such a bear to wrangle that
| you might as well use Linux and save yourself the pain and
| $100 per computer.
| whalesalad wrote:
| I jumped to a Debian 12 based workstation about a year ago and
| haven't looked back. It's been a rock solid workhorse and KDE is
| quite nice these days.
| Aurornis wrote:
| These articles are always weird because they ignore the most
| likely next steps for people who don't want Recall:
|
| 1. Don't turn recall on
|
| 2. Switch to Mac
|
| Jumping straight to the Linux Desktop deep end after using
| Windows for years is an unlikely change path for most. These
| arguments ignore the fact that most Windows users have a lot of
| Windows-specific apps that they use, such as games.
|
| I think the real audience for these articles isn't Windows users
| at all. It's for Linux users to pay themselves on the back for
| not using Windows.
| zeta0134 wrote:
| Speak for yourself I suppose. I can hop between Linux (KDE,
| Gnome, whatever) and Windows and still feel like my muscle
| memory for OS interactions and application shortcuts still
| works. There are minor differences, but things like copy and
| paste still work properly.
|
| When I try to use a Mac, everything is just ... different. CMD
| instead of Ctrl, buttons on the other side of windows,
| inconsistent maximize logic between programs, whatever Finder
| is supposed to be doing with folder navigation. It's certainly
| learnable with effort, and I can move around the OS competently
| now with some practice, but it's just unpleasant enough that
| I'd rather not use it as my daily driver.
| WarOnPrivacy wrote:
| > Switch to Mac
|
| Windows desktop users are all over the planet. Only a small
| percent of them could ever afford this.
| timothyduong wrote:
| I don't think majority really care about their 'privacy' and
| would not switch in the first place due to Recall.
| frapaconi wrote:
| Not sure if you pay attention to how Microsoft operates (think
| IE/Edge) but they'll accidentally-on-purpose toggle that ON
| with a magical Windows Update.
| tjoff wrote:
| Windows for all it's faults is a very open ecosystem, in
| contrast Macs aren't that appealing. Especially if you aren't
| running iphones and ipads etc.
|
| I do agree that Recall isn't _the_ reason to switch though. The
| abuse Microsoft has put their users through the last few years
| has been unimaginable, to the point where switching to
| _anything_ will feel liberating. Even Linux desktop.
| digging wrote:
| > such as games
|
| This is kind of an outdated argument and nearly a solved
| problem - the majority of Steam's library can be run near-
| effortlessly on Linux today. I'd expect a large portion of
| Windows PC gamers to be aware of that, too, at least in the US.
| I don't really know anyone who's tied to any Windows-specific
| apps that aren't games, either.
| an-unknown wrote:
| Games are the easier part. There are a few examples of
| software which is only available for Windows and Mac or even
| Windows only, like professional audio software or various CAD
| tools. If you need one of those, you can't really avoid
| Windows / Mac and usually there is no proper replacement for
| such software that works on Linux. Of course you can have a
| dedicated Windows or Mac machine just for those programs, but
| that's still not ideal.
| an-unknown wrote:
| > [...] Windows-specific apps that they use, such as games.
|
| As if many Windows games don't work on Linux via proton, to the
| point that Valve's Steam Deck runs on Linux and is "good
| enough" most of the time. Compatibility purely depends on the
| game and more often than not incompatibilities are caused by
| anti-cheat mechanisms.
|
| And about jumping to Linux: we had Windows computers in my
| family, originally with Windows 7, then upgraded to Windows
| 8.1, and once 8.1 was EOL, they were reinstalled with Linux
| (KDE as desktop environment). Since these computers were mainly
| used for email, web browsing, and some basic "office
| activities" like writing a simple document occasionally, there
| was exactly no issue with it. KDE itself is also similar enough
| to a Windows desktop that it wasn't hard for anyone to learn
| the few relevant things that are different. I'd be quite
| surprised if this was different for the majority of current
| Windows users.
| unpopularopp wrote:
| >and more often than not incompatibilities are caused by
| anti-cheat mechanisms
|
| But those multiplayer online games are the most popular games
| on the planet. It's another topic of discussion but people
| want to play them
| nazgulsenpai wrote:
| I don't think most people will buy new hardware that Mac
| requires if they can just boot from a USB on their current
| PC...
| amlib wrote:
| > Jumping straight to the Linux Desktop deep end after using
| Windows for years is an unlikely change path for most. These
| arguments ignore the fact that most Windows users have a lot of
| Windows-specific apps that they use, such as games.
|
| I think nowadays you would have a much worse experience
| switching from windows to mac, as you said, the user wants
| their apps and games to carry over, but you are actually going
| to have a much better time getting those to carry over to
| linux. Specially regarding games, just the fact that Steam runs
| almost any Windows game effortlessly on linux is a big deal.
| Meanwhile, Apple has made sure to burn all the bridges they
| could with game developers and game compatibility in the last
| decade or so.
| triyambakam wrote:
| Well, I'm a Linux user of 20 years, but always used a work
| provided MacBook. However I just bought my own personal MacBook
| and it feels bittersweet. I'm actually really loving it but
| feeling guilty about it, as if I've sold out. I'm enjoying
| everything just working and it is making me reconsider my
| philosophy on software. I even bought a few paid macOS apps. It
| feels comfortable.
| giancarlostoro wrote:
| You can always keep a Linux desktop / server around. I have all
| three major OS' and will likely never buy another Windows
| device moving forward. Once my Surface Book 2 cannot update
| anymore I will retire Windows from my life outside of employers
| providing me with Windows laptops / workstations.
| tylerflick wrote:
| I don't think it's selling out. I think it's just using the
| best available tool(s) for the job. Inverse point, I have used
| Mac Mini's as dedicated servers and there is much lacking in
| the experience compared to a headless Linux box.
| triyambakam wrote:
| Yeah actually, one of my reasons was that the MacBook is
| physically a really nice machine. The battery life is so
| good, the screen, the trackpad... It feels great to dev on
| it.
| htk wrote:
| The pile of dark patterns in Windows 11 pisses me off a lot more
| than Recall. Recall is easy to disable, but the rest of crap in
| Windows 11 is a constant game of cat and mouse. No respect for
| the user/client at all.
| nelox wrote:
| He meant to say Unix ;)
| cbsks wrote:
| I find it interesting that if a random person had made a program
| the takes screenshots of their desktop periodically, does OCR,
| and locally trains an LLM on the output, it would have been a
| super cool project that nobody would have an issue with. It sucks
| that we are at the point where we can't trust large tech
| companies to do the right thing.
| bell-cot wrote:
| When do you feel that we _could_ trust large tech companies to
| do the right thing?
| unpopularopp wrote:
| If only could someone switch to Linux! But there is no Linux.
| There is Debian, Fedora, Manjaro, Gnome, KDE, Sway, apt, yum, dnf
| etc. Especially when something is broken and you want to fix it
| that's the biggest hurdle as a new Linux user. Searching for
| forums, "how do I do X on Linux?" Oh I mean not Linux but Ubuntu.
| But MATE or LXQT? etc. It's a bottomless pit.
|
| This fragmentation is biggest barrier against the wide adaptation
| of Linux. I mean Debian and Ubuntu and Arch and openSUSE and
| Gentoo and.
|
| I see Linux as an idea. Or more like an umbrella of ideas that
| several OSes share. Which sounds good on paper but not enough for
| end users and for the 99.99% doesn't make any difference. At all.
|
| The only thing I personally I recommend to friends who switch to
| Linux is to use an immutable distro because those are the most
| breakage resistant ones. Fedora Kinoite or Silverblue are nice.
| But then we will have Ubuntu Core Desktop soon as well. And other
| distros. So the wheel of fragmentation rolls forward.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| If you could only go to the supermarket to buy water. There's
| Great Value Spring Water and Great Value Purified Water. And
| Fiji water, and Dasani, etc. It's a bottomless pit. Having to
| choose between these similar products makes it impossible for
| me to buy water... said noone ever.
|
| The problem is approaching these decisions as if there were
| final and irreversible decisions from which one answer is right
| and the other one is wrong followed by eternal doom. That's not
| the situation at all. Most of these decisions are similar and
| you can change your mind at any time.
| nessguy wrote:
| Water isn't a great example, but decision paralysis at stores
| from too many options is a thing.
| okanat wrote:
| You make a false assumption that all Linux things are
| equivalent and provide a good baseline feature set. They are
| not equivalent, each one misses something that Windows
| provides out of the box to an extent.
|
| Choosing a Linux distro / DE / whatever is not going a
| supermarket and choosing a bottle of water. It is choosing a
| bottling factory next to a sewer or bottled distilled water.
| digging wrote:
| I feel like Mint + Cinnamon is such an easy switch from
| Windows, comparatively, and that Linux users should be more
| comfortable recommending it to newbies. For people who don't
| know what they're doing with Linux/unix at all, there's no
| point in even saying "you have all these distros, pick the one
| you like!" when they're mostly too advanced. It should be,
| "Pick Mint. If you like it, you can change later and start
| working on something more complex."
|
| Now, I am sure there will be not a few disagreements that Mint
| should be the canonical beginner's choice. Honestly, fine, if
| there's a distro even more dead-simple it could be that, but
| bike-shedding won't help. We don't need to find the best distro
| for each user, we just need to give them a safe and comfortable
| starting point.
| okanat wrote:
| Here is the thing. MS Windows has no alternative. There is no
| other OS that: - is primarily user friendly (no terminal use,
| good accessibility support, well known patterns, well made paid
| human translation) - has drivers working out of the box with
| every single hardware - has long term software support - has long
| term hardware support - has a healthy closed-source specialized
| software ecosystem - has good developer support - has not perfect
| but reasonably future proof API - good interoperability with
| majority of the other software
|
| Once you step out of programming or hobbyist use it is 90%
| Windows for the use cases one uses a full fledged computer. Yes
| you can replace many things with a tablet or a smartphone.
|
| You can't replace a PC with a tablet for accounting, customer
| management, CAD, printing, publishing, manufacturing, simulation,
| advanced reporting, large document processing, centrally
| controlled IT and many other things.
|
| The professional grade software you do those built on Windows,
| Office and Active Directory. They trust the backwards
| compatibility and wide range of API and integration Windows
| ecosystem provides.
|
| People don't use computers because they like them. They use them
| because they do work for their goals.
|
| Even for nonprofessional use case Windows still has the best
| hardware support. For example you cannot use old low DPI monitors
| with Macs anymore; the text is unreadable. Certain audio
| workstations doesn't work with ARM chips.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| > You can't replace a PC with a tablet for accounting, customer
| management, CAD, printing, publishing, manufacturing,
| simulation, advanced reporting, large document processing,
| centrally controlled IT and many other things
|
| For each one of those examples there's already a superior Linux
| based choice.
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