[HN Gopher] Managing my motivation as a solo dev
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       Managing my motivation as a solo dev
        
       Author : marcusbuffett
       Score  : 237 points
       Date   : 2024-06-05 16:01 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | satvikpendem wrote:
       | Great article and tips. I've heard all of these before separately
       | of course but having them all in one article makes it nice. As I
       | was reading each one, I thought, these all sound like solutions
       | (or at least helpful tips) I've heard for people who have ADHD,
       | and lo and behold, I see the last section.
        
         | mey wrote:
         | I wish the tip at the end was, seek treatment for ADD/ADHD, or
         | any other issues that impact your quality of life. It isn't a
         | failure to do so and can make things better in the long run.
        
       | tnolet wrote:
       | Sounds very familiar. Was a solo dev for at least 2 years before
       | being able to form a team around my product. One nit, one
       | confirm:
       | 
       | - I don't agree with the guiltiness on zero days. There is just
       | no way to stay sane if you don't truly enjoy zero days. You will
       | burn your candle.
       | 
       | - I 1000% agree that any form of customer validation makes your
       | day. Could be a Stripe ping, a mention on Twitter or here. Set up
       | services like https://f5bot.com/. Google alerts is useless.
       | 
       | My totally failed / crickets initial launch here on HN is
       | findable via submissions in my bio, anno 2018. Three upvotes.
        
         | dewey wrote:
         | Another great service for mentions is https://syften.com/, also
         | supports Twitter but is paid.
        
           | marcusbuffett wrote:
           | This is the one I use, should have mentioned in the article
        
           | tnolet wrote:
           | Yeah. We use that too now but still have my F5 account going
        
         | marcusbuffett wrote:
         | Yeah there's some nuance to the zero days thing. If it's a day
         | I've already set aside that's fine, but I've found myself
         | unable to decide in the moment "not feeling it today, this will
         | be a zero day", and be okay with that emotionally. Unless I've
         | shipped a massive feature recently or something, then it's
         | okay. Motivation is a mess, is what I'm getting at :)
         | 
         | Haha I share in your frustration with the crickets launch,
         | anything I post here that I actually care about people seeing,
         | gets shuttled off to the shadow realm, then stuff like this
         | that's just musing tends to hit the front page.
        
           | alex_suzuki wrote:
           | For what it's worth, I feel the exact same way about zero
           | days. Intellectually I know I deserve them, but something
           | inside me just refuses to stop thinking "I need to work now"
           | until I've had some kind of "minimum viable productivity" to
           | show. But interestingly as soon as I do, I can absolutely
           | disconnect.
        
           | anyfoo wrote:
           | Yeah, I know that feeling well. The day after completing a
           | massive thing, I'm super happy to have a zero day, and just
           | enjoy the feeling of having accomplished something big. Other
           | days, not so much.
        
         | POiNTx wrote:
         | Customer validation is also super easy to get.
         | 
         | The easiest way I've found is to include a simple Google Form
         | in the product. It's super rewarding to get feedback from
         | users. Ask simple questions like: "What's your favorite thing
         | about X", "What's your least favorite thing about X", "How did
         | you learn about X" and "Anything else you wanted to let me
         | know?". And make all the questions optional so there's a
         | minimal amount of friction.
        
       | Zambyte wrote:
       | I think these tips are really helpful for me working on a team
       | but remotely also.
        
       | pizzalife wrote:
       | This reminds me of when me and some friends were selling "IRC
       | bouncers" aka IRC VPNs around 2005. Whenever we got a new
       | customer ($1 SMS payment) there would be an automatic
       | announcement in our internal IRC channel.
       | 
       | Even though it wasn't a lot of money, it was a very rewarding
       | feeling.
        
       | thesurlydev wrote:
       | Thanks for sharing. I especially liked the leaving tasks 90%
       | done. This is motivation for someone who has 1000 unfinished side
       | projects to finish one tomorrow :)
        
         | alex_suzuki wrote:
         | I found that one interesting too. I do something similar but
         | different: I keep a bunch of "warmup tasks" around, basically
         | easy, low-risk (usually coding) tasks that are 90% likely to be
         | quick motivational boosts to get started in the morning. NGL
         | this has occasionally backfired and something simple turned out
         | to be not so simple at all :-)
        
           | lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
           | > NGL this has occasionally backfired and something simple
           | turned out to be not so simple at all :-)
           | 
           | In my case it often backfires in the form of a sudden
           | decision, right or wrong, that yesterday-me made a bunch of
           | bad decisions about something so they all need to be
           | revisited. Before I know it, the thing that was 90% complete
           | is now 60% complete.
        
         | JoshTriplett wrote:
         | > I try to leave a task 90% finished at the end of a working
         | session. It feels slightly worse than closing out the work, but
         | it makes starting the next day 10x easier.
         | 
         | Yeah, this one works incredibly well for me as well, and wasn't
         | at all obvious until I saw it for the first time a few years
         | ago.
        
       | Xeamek wrote:
       | The 'leave things undone' tip sounds really good, definitely will
       | try.
        
         | SoftTalker wrote:
         | I never liked it because I like to go home without any nagging
         | problems, and intentionally not think about work until the next
         | day. It's not always possible, but I try to wrap up loose ends
         | to the extent possible by the end of each day.
        
           | ed wrote:
           | Personally I try to finish a feature, but leave QA for the
           | morning. This way my first task is "copy and paste this
           | command into terminal" or "use X feature in the app." Because
           | there's always something that needs tweaking before it's
           | really done, this naturally pulls me into flow the next day.
           | It's a great trick!
        
           | VBprogrammer wrote:
           | Leaving yourself a clear idea of what is next to do would be
           | similarly effective IMHO. Finish the task you are on then
           | open up the next task, maybe open up the right file in your
           | editor then log off for the evening.
        
             | SoftTalker wrote:
             | Yes, I just meant I like to leave work feeling like I've
             | reached a "natural" stopping point. Something finished, or
             | at least the path to finishing is clear.
             | 
             | What I dislike is when I'm stumped, puzzling over a bug or
             | the correct implementation for a complicated feature. It's
             | not always possible to resolve these situations by the end
             | of the work day and they tend to nag at me through the
             | evening. I don't like that and try to avoid it, rather than
             | deliberately create this feeling ("leave things undone") as
             | some sort of trick for motivation.
        
             | bfuller wrote:
             | One of my professors would always leave his pc set to the
             | last move of klondike so he would return to work every day
             | with a "win"
        
       | ezekg wrote:
       | > Leave tasks unfinished
       | 
       | I also do this. I learned that if I leave a failing test for
       | myself in the morning, I'll think about it on and off and jump
       | right in next session without wasting time on HN or YT for an
       | hour or 2 in the mornings. Sometimes this ends up causing me to
       | work a little bit late, trying to make sure I actually have a
       | failing test written for the problem (sometimes I have an issue
       | without an accompanying test yet), but it's worth the extra
       | effort/time. A failing test gives me something 100% actionable to
       | jump into in the morning, as opposed to leaving e.g. a feature
       | half written which can have an ambiguous starting point in terms
       | of jumping back into it. I can't recommend this enough.
        
         | marcusbuffett wrote:
         | I love this, I'm going to start doing this. It'll help me
         | actually start writing tests too lol
        
         | tnolet wrote:
         | I was super in the other camp. Could not sleep if something
         | wasn't finished. Especially for coding. For marketing I found a
         | (good) blog post can take a couple of days.
        
           | ezekg wrote:
           | I ebb and flow. Sometimes the failed test consumes me and I
           | end up staying up late after the family goes to bed to solve
           | it. :)
           | 
           | It kind of flows into the author's other point, "if I've got
           | it, use it."
        
           | unshavedyak wrote:
           | I'm similar, but for me it's i can't sleep if i don't
           | _understand_ the issue. Once i understand it enough that i
           | 've either fixed it in my head, or i'm confident i can fix it
           | with the available knowledge, then it doesn't bother me.
           | 
           | "Understand it in my head" is often a good stopping point
           | too. Because if i actually go and fix it, i may find out i
           | was wrong and spend even more time re-analyzing the issue to
           | reach a new understanding.
        
             | kahmeal wrote:
             | This entire thread is an epiphany for me and I can vouch
             | your bit as something I share as well.
        
             | TeMPOraL wrote:
             | I used to get into loops with that - I thought I understood
             | something, then I'd try to implement it and hit a corner
             | case, or even a caveat would come to my mind, and suddenly
             | my understanding is crashing. I developed anxiety around
             | this, because thinking and rethinking would mean I could
             | spend days without anything to show for it (other than a
             | thousand lines of semi-coherent ramblings in an Org Mode
             | file). I started to lean towards taking things simple and
             | direct, solving them more by feel than explicit analysis,
             | in order to create a bedrock of something I could then
             | iteratively improve or rewrite, _without having to keep the
             | entire problem in my head at all times_.
        
         | dugmartin wrote:
         | I've posted about this here before but the thing I do it type
         | out a single easy thing I need to do directly in the code so it
         | breaks the syntax. Then the next day I can read the note,
         | delete or comment it out to fix the syntax and then implement
         | the thing. It is a good dopamine boost right out of the gate.
        
           | chainingsolid wrote:
           | I use this same trick, to ensure I resume right where I left
           | off. Works great! Also helps me jump right back in, don't
           | have to go looking for a problem/rabbit hole.
        
         | rnoorda wrote:
         | I once heard this advice given as "park facing downhill." I
         | find it difficult to not finish up before I stop working, but
         | it helps me get started in the morning to jump into a nearly-
         | complete task.
        
         | djcannabiz wrote:
         | Ive heard a similar idea, from Hemingway. "Learned never to
         | empty the well of my writing, but always to stop when there was
         | still something there in the deep part of the well, and let it
         | refill at night from the springs that fed it. I always worked
         | until I had something done, and I always stopped when I knew
         | what was going to happen next. That way I could be sure of
         | going on the next day." -- Ernest Hemmingway"
         | 
         | I really agree, and I also thinks it can be helpful to do
         | something similar when taking breaks (have lunch/take a walk
         | while leaving a failing test).
        
       | maddynator wrote:
       | Does anyone knows if there are any instructions on how do you
       | configure the money bot?
        
         | marcusbuffett wrote:
         | Basically just setup a discord webhook, and most languages will
         | have a discord client you can use. Just when you get a
         | subscription webhook event from stripe/apple/google, send a
         | notification to that webhook
        
       | oglop wrote:
       | Step one; log on
       | 
       | Step two; feel sad
       | 
       | Step three; hate your life choices
       | 
       | Step 4 repeat
        
       | hamasho wrote:
       | Thanks for the tip! I'll try leaving a task unfinished to start
       | the next day with a small win. As a remote dev, I struggle to be
       | productive all day. My company trusts me and gives me lots of
       | flexibility, which sometimes allows me to procrastinate for days,
       | leading to self-blaming and anxiety. I know starting the day in a
       | good mood makes the rest of the day easier. Kicking off with a
       | small victory definitely helps my productivity!
        
       | ravenstine wrote:
       | While I'm not exactly sure what "solo dev" means for the author
       | in terms of intent, I believe that the need to manage motivation
       | is usually a sign that what one is doing is at least somewhat
       | off-course from the ideal of the individual. In simpler terms, if
       | you are struggling to be motivated for something, you can
       | certainly try to change _yourself_ , but it can be at least as
       | reasonable to change that _something_.
       | 
       | I learned this about myself a few years ago when I quit my job to
       | build a compact piece of wearable hardware that measures
       | metabolism through breath in real time. Even though I was burning
       | through my savings, I spent close to a year working on this thing
       | day in and day out. I had so many different "responsibilities" on
       | my project and so many things to learn that motivation was never
       | an issue, and I did finish a working device in the end. This is
       | coming from someone who has dealt with motivational issues many
       | times. That also wasn't the first time I quit my job to work on a
       | project, though previous projects often ended early when I lost
       | the motivation. At first, I thought this was a sign of a problem
       | with myself, but in retrospect I think it's good that I lost
       | motivation. Those ideas weren't that great and I wasn't as
       | engaged in them, and it's likely I just would have wasted more
       | time and money on them had I not acknowledged the writing on the
       | wall.
       | 
       | In fairness, this outlook is easy to have when you aren't doing
       | something for income. To some extent, we do have to manage
       | motivation for day jobs. I can't honestly say that I'd be coding
       | enterprise applications if I wasn't getting paid handsomely to do
       | that. Even though I am paid, part of motivation is having a
       | mission that's important to you, and it's easy to lose sight of
       | your mission if you've been paid a regular salary for quite some
       | time.
       | 
       | The author's "leave tasks unfinished" strategy plays into this
       | principle at a very small level, but I think recognizing a
       | greater ambition and keeping it in your consciousness can be
       | important as well. A lot of people find the motivation to work
       | harder and longer when they have kids, for instance. Since I
       | don't have kids, I've found that regularly coming back to
       | investing and retirement planning has been a good motivator for
       | my day job because I get enjoyment out of making my money work
       | for me; I loosely visualize what I want my life to be like in 20
       | years from now and strategize how to get there based on my
       | current trajectory. I don't think about it most days, but
       | revisiting this every few weeks reminds me why my day job is
       | important. For others, perhaps owning a house and converting the
       | garage to an art studio would be a goal to motivate one through
       | their day job.
       | 
       | In short, I think motivation is more a form of measure than a
       | virtue in and of itself. It can tell you whether you've lost
       | sight of ambition or if what you're doing just isn't that great.
       | "Hacks" will only get you so far.
       | 
       | That said, a "hack" that works for me is to just keep reminding
       | myself to "keep up the pace." Even if I barely accomplish
       | anything in a day, as long as I accomplish a minuscule thing on a
       | daily basis, my frequency of accomplishment stays roughly the
       | same. Going too long not really getting anything done is when
       | motivating yourself to jump back in the game gets very difficult.
        
         | marcusbuffett wrote:
         | Yeah I think there's definitely something to this. I've had
         | periods of time working at companies that I wasn't aligned
         | with, where motivation was virtually unreachable.
         | 
         | That said even if you're working on something you love, there
         | will be weeks where the work just isn't fun, and that's where
         | this stuff comes in. I love the project I work on now, a chess
         | improvement site, but sometimes I need to take a week to move
         | cloud providers, or deal with App Store review, or work on
         | marketing. Can't always be fun even if the overall project is
         | directionally aligned.
        
       | imvetri wrote:
       | I pick weights over my head. It strenghthens the inner voice
       | stronger, and it tells me, this gives me stronger mind voice,
       | calm pace. slow and steady
        
       | marginalia_nu wrote:
       | IMO one shouldn't rely on motivation to do things.
       | 
       | You don't need to be motivated to do things. You can do things
       | even though they suck. There'll be good days when motivation is
       | there to cheer you on, but that fucker is the ultimate fair
       | weather friend, so there will also be days when it's a slog and
       | motivation isn't even picking up your calls.
       | 
       | It's a complete misconception of human psychology that motivation
       | precedes action. It's the other way around. Act first, become
       | motivated later. That day you wake up full of motivation and fly
       | out of bed and there's eye of the tiger and you're running up and
       | down stairs airboxing in sweatpants, that day isn't ever coming.
       | 
       | I think the notion that one needs motivation to do things comes
       | from the educational space, where there's a lot of talk about
       | motivating students to do this or that, and somehow this has been
       | internalized into a notion that this is how we also operate
       | ourselves, that we somehow need to bribe or intice ourselves to
       | do the things we want to be doing, which when you think about it,
       | doesn't really make sense.
        
         | thefaux wrote:
         | "Inspiration is for amateurs. The rest of us just show up and
         | get to work. If you wait around for the clouds to part and a
         | bolt of lightening to strike you in the brain, you are not
         | going to make an awful lot of work. All the best ideas come out
         | of the process; they come out of the work itself." -- Chuck
         | Close
         | 
         | Close is a complicated person but the quote holds up.
        
           | CuriouslyC wrote:
           | Showing up and getting to work is a great mantra for people
           | who already have traction. For people that aren't, that's a
           | recipe for burnout, as you need space and time to keep
           | pushing in the face of uncertain returns.
        
         | divan wrote:
         | > It's a complete misconception of human psychology that
         | motivation precedes action.
         | 
         | It's not a misconception, it's the definition of motivation.
         | 
         | The misconception is using the word "motivation" only for
         | intrinsic motivation. If you have a gun pointed at your head,
         | you'll be quite motivated to do whatever the person holding the
         | gun tells you. External motivation can be extremely powerful,
         | it just doesn't last long.
         | 
         | > Act first, become motivated later.
         | 
         | You're right. You need some external motivation to start
         | "acting first". There are four types of external motivation
         | (from more external to more internal) - fully external,
         | introjected, identified, internal. Rewards and punishments are
         | the first (external), rewards/punishments "in your head" (aka
         | image of your parents telling you to do homework or you don't
         | get TV time) are the second (introjected), part of your
         | identity ("I'm Muslim, thus have to wear hijab") - third
         | (identified), and "I truly believe I have to do something" is
         | fourth (internal). Internal type of external motivation differs
         | from intrinsic motivation (which is defined as "acting because
         | I enjoy the process", and you can truly believe you have to do
         | something but not enjoy it).
         | 
         | Discipline and self-discipline are somewhere between
         | introjected and internal types, but it's essentially a codename
         | for external motivation nevertheless.
         | 
         | In many cases you really want to instill intrinsic motivation
         | in kids/athletes/employees/etc. But you need to "act first" and
         | repetitively link it to the positive emotions - and that's
         | where external motivation (and discipline) can be used
         | strategically to create intrinsic one. Unfortunately a lot of
         | people/fields/disciplines get stuck in the external reward
         | systems and don't use it strategically.
        
           | marginalia_nu wrote:
           | This is all fine modelling, but doesn't have much bearing on
           | the experience of being human. It's a description, and
           | describing something (regardless of which words you use) does
           | not change its nature.
           | 
           | Motivation, in the sense of "I feel a desire to perform an
           | act I deem to align with what I want to do although it will
           | bring me immediate-term discomfort", that type of motivation,
           | whatever you call it, does not precede prior success in that
           | activity; that type of motivation, whatever you call it, will
           | go away in the face of hardships and struggles; that type of
           | motivation, whatever you call it, is not necessary to perform
           | the task at hand.
        
             | jasode wrote:
             | _> , that type of motivation, whatever you call it, does
             | not precede prior success in that activity; that type of
             | motivation, whatever you call it, will go away in the face
             | of hardships and struggles; that type of motivation,
             | whatever you call it, is not necessary to perform the task
             | at hand._
             | 
             | I didn't downvote but I wanted to comment that your
             | explanation doesn't work for a lot of "unmotivated" people.
             | _It just moves the difficulty /mystery to a different set
             | of words in an attempt to describe it._
             | 
             | E.g. _" How do I get that intitial
             | urge?/trigger?/spark?/agitation? ... to start the activity
             | that creates post-activity motivation?"_
             | 
             | Which of course, the answer always ultimately ends up with
             | a variation of ... _" You Just Need To Start"_. Ah yes,
             | "just start".
             | 
             | And thus, we circle back to the same Mt Everest of
             | difficulty for a lot of unmotivated people. They're still
             | stuck and can't get started.
             | 
             | I think the issue is that there are well-meaning people who
             | honestly think they're "not motivated" and then "just force
             | themselves to get started on acting anyway". Now, being in
             | the groove of acting can then become the self-reinforcing
             | "motivation". They then think this personal experience of
             | cause-&-effect of acting-precedes-motivation in their mind
             | can be transferred to other people. But it does not work on
             | a lot of unmotivated people. So, those who are still
             | struggling look for any mental hacks that might work better
             | than _" just get started instead of waiting for
             | motivation"_.
        
             | divan wrote:
             | > "I feel a desire to perform an act I deem to align with
             | what I want to do although it will bring me immediate-term
             | discomfort"
             | 
             | It's an _internal type_ of "extrinsic motivation", right.
             | 
             | > will go away in the face of hardships and struggles
             | 
             | Yes, and this is true for all types of extrinsic
             | motivation.
             | 
             | > doesn't precede the success
             | 
             | Well, that's where things get interesting. There are three
             | main factors that influence motivation - autonomy,
             | competence and relatedness.
             | 
             | Autonomy - perception of your actions being connected to
             | your own values/beliefs/desires. Competence - perception of
             | your actions being connected to the growth or achievement.
             | Relatedness - perception of your actions bringing closer to
             | the people you care about.
             | 
             | Those 4 types of extrinsic motivation go mostly on the
             | scale of decreasing autonomy. And it's important to say
             | that all types of motivation have slightly different
             | natures and can work simultaneously, just one of those will
             | dominate.
             | 
             | So you are probably right saying that the internal type of
             | extrinsic motivation doesn't require prior success. But,
             | once you start doing it, the perception of success
             | (whatever that means in a given context) will greatly
             | contribute to shifting your dominant motivation either
             | closer to the intrinsic motivation (i.e. you'll start
             | enjoying) or towards amotivation (opposite extreme side).
             | 
             | Perception of success is mostly a "competence" part. That's
             | how the coach might choose the right level of challenge for
             | the athlete, to keep their motivation growing (or at least
             | not falling). And if you really want to build intrinsic
             | motivation, you absolutely need it.
             | 
             | And yes, not every task require intrinsic motivation. But
             | it would be also true to say, that every task will benefit
             | greatly if people performing it are intrinsically
             | motivated. There are two main reasons: efficiency and...
             | people happiness.
             | 
             | An intrinsically motivated person will require less
             | pressure/incentives, will keep doing the task amid
             | hardships. Which directly translates into economic value.
             | It also directly linked to the feeling of wellbeing and
             | vitality (aka happiness). It might not be very important
             | for whoever needs task to be done, but a society where
             | autonomy is inhibited and extrinsic motivation is
             | dominating is _very_ different from society with high level
             | of autonomy. It 's like, people are just happier.
        
             | ipsento606 wrote:
             | > that type of motivation, whatever you call it, is not
             | necessary to perform the task at hand.
             | 
             | and on what basis have you determined that the article is
             | about "that type" of motivation, as opposed to the other
             | type which you acknowledge is necessary to actually do
             | anything?
        
         | loa_in_ wrote:
         | It's more of a failing of modern world to not cultivate this
         | kind of motivation than a misconception.
        
           | marginalia_nu wrote:
           | If you can't do anything without feeling stoked to do it,
           | there's just so much stuff you're never going to be able to
           | do. Doing things that are uncomfortable and unappealing is
           | such an important life skill.
        
         | m3kw9 wrote:
         | I believe a task without motivation is pointless. If you are
         | not motivated but is doing it anyway, it already has innate
         | motivation, you just may not admit it is.
         | 
         | Not motivated to pay your bills? You do it anyways because not
         | getting services cut off is actually the motivation, or that "I
         | always pay up" is motivating you
        
         | nuancebydefault wrote:
         | I find that sometimes there is just no motivation, there's even
         | a big reluctance. It's very weird how or why this happens now
         | and then. Maybe it is a natural protection mechanism kicking
         | in, or maybe it is just a chemical imbalance of hormones
         | involved in the reward system.
         | 
         | 'Just do it' (tm) does not work in those cases.
         | 
         | After a while i just google 'how to get out of a rut' and that
         | works after some undefined amount of wasted time.
         | 
         | Another trick to fall back onto, is changing jobs.
        
         | nottommo wrote:
         | I don't really understand this line of thinking, but maybe we
         | have different definitions of motivation. If you are not using
         | motivation to do things what is the reason you to do things?
         | 
         | For me anything I do is because I am motivated to do it.
        
           | marginalia_nu wrote:
           | Isn't it possible, even common, to seek an outcome, but not
           | feel inclined to do the thing that takes you toward that
           | outcome? I don't think there's anyone who doesn't want a fit
           | body, yet to borrow a phrase, "nobody wants to lift no heavy-
           | ass weights"
        
       | artemavv wrote:
       | Has anyone tried FocusMate or similar services? I have not used
       | it myself but I think it may be useful to overcome
       | procrastination. However, I doubt that having a random
       | collaborators (a new one for each session) could do much for my
       | motivation. I would prefer to keep collaborating with the same
       | person for a longer period - a week or a month, to get better
       | accountability
        
         | hu3 wrote:
         | I haven't yet but I'm contemplating streaming work on Twitch /
         | Youtube.
        
       | gs17 wrote:
       | > For example, the Money Bots, which pop up every time someone
       | subscribes.
       | 
       | Imagine not getting that message for a long time. Some people
       | might say "that's encouragement to work harder so we get
       | subscribers!", others "no one likes it, I should give up". It
       | feels like this is much more powerful if you're already
       | motivated.
        
         | residentraspber wrote:
         | I completely agree! The company I'm currently working on is
         | pretty cyclical such that we get a bunch of new activity
         | towards the middle of each month and nothing at the beginning
         | or end. This leads to our notifications to go wild sometimes
         | making us super happy then trailing off and making us worry
         | other times.
        
       | LZ_Khan wrote:
       | This is awesome, thank you. I feel like some of these tips could
       | be substantial research areas in psychology in the future (like
       | first go from nothing -> work rather than reddit -> work)
        
       | mpalmer wrote:
       | In my experience it's always challenging for people who struggle
       | with focus and motivation to have conversations about it with
       | people who don't have those issues, even when everyone involved
       | means well.
       | 
       | Unless someone has experienced both dynamics, it's _very_ hard
       | for each to put themselves in the shoes of the other, because we
       | 're talking about brain chemistry.
       | 
       | No one with severe ADHD symptoms really knows what it's like to
       | have a calm mind for an entire day, let alone most days (and what
       | that means for one's career and social life). They can reason
       | that such a thing is possible, but that's different from really
       | grasping the experience.
       | 
       | Same for the other way around - you can reason that ADHD is a
       | real and often debilitating condition because you see its
       | effects, but you still might have trouble believing they're not
       | also just a little lazy.
        
       | mpalmer wrote:
       | Very good post. A lot of it rings true with my own experience and
       | it seems like you've found a lot of good ways to work with what
       | you've got, instead of around or through it.
       | 
       | I also like "addressing the pain" - a bit too much. I seek out
       | pain just to build tools that address it, because that's almost
       | always more fun than the task itself.
       | 
       | If someone paid me just to build things that improve people's
       | personal workflows I'd take the job in a second.
        
         | kahmeal wrote:
         | Sounds like a great personality type for a platform engineer..
        
           | mpalmer wrote:
           | Yeah I agree, something like that. Honestly though I think
           | it's more than that, I like building "toys" that are fun to
           | use (and help with productive work). I don't think anyone's
           | hiring toymakers, I might need to go solo myself if I'm
           | determined.
           | 
           | And of course my deep fear is I'd find that perfect job and
           | nothing about my habits would change.
        
       | franczesko wrote:
       | 'Some days when I'm not getting anything done, I've got this
       | lingering guilt that I'm having a "zero day"'
       | 
       | I had this and after many years of treating myself that way, I
       | treat myself kindly. It's a toxic approach and the easiest way to
       | burnout. It's OK not to do anything.
        
       | SeriousM wrote:
       | > Do nothing > I get sucked into high-tech Skinner Boxes all the
       | time. Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc. The best way I've found to
       | get out of this is to do it in two steps. First I go from Reddit
       | to doing nothing, then I get to work. > Going straight from
       | Reddit to focused work is very hard, but doing nothing is much
       | easier, and eventually your brain calms down and it doesn't feel
       | nearly as hard to start writing some code. > I really mean doing
       | nothing; I'll just sit in front of my screen for a few minutes
       | and as if by magic, the consumption-fueled dopamine-overload fog
       | will lift, and I can get excited about creation and problem-
       | solving again.
       | 
       | Exactly that. I guess the hardest part is to close the browser
       | tab of YT/HN/...
        
       | oars wrote:
       | Useful tips, thanks for sharing.
        
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