[HN Gopher] Nuclear material left in "Swap Shop" at UK Hacker ca...
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       Nuclear material left in "Swap Shop" at UK Hacker camp emfcamp
        
       Author : cardinal_black
       Score  : 87 points
       Date   : 2024-06-02 21:23 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | cardinal_black wrote:
       | https://chaos.social/@jonty/112546819875403045 - Americum 241
       | apparently
        
         | pyb wrote:
         | The same material is used in smoke detectors.
        
           | pdw wrote:
           | But these things have a lot more of it
        
             | pyb wrote:
             | Are you sure ? Actually the quantities reported are only a
             | bit more than a smoke alarm's worth.
             | https://tech.lgbt/@tryst@meow.social/112537465686977310
        
               | pdw wrote:
               | I was going by
               | https://meow.social/@tryst/112547072349850935
        
               | 317070 wrote:
               | Yes, these are like 10 smoke alarms each. 360k becquerel
               | each, and a smoke alarm is about 30k.
        
               | perihelions wrote:
               | That's a typo. 7 microCurie would be 260 kBq, not 360
               | kBq.
               | 
               | This whole thing's a farce; there's nothing remotely
               | interesting, or alarming, about a sealed alpha source
               | this small. There's countless millions of residential
               | smoke detectors of exactly this size, isotope, and basic
               | design. (The multiple others commenters are also speaking
               | correctly, that _modern_ smoke detectors are about 1
               | /10th this size. The older 20th-century models are a bit
               | larger).
        
           | thsksbd wrote:
           | Ya and it's insane. My college for a project bought dozens of
           | fire detectors from the 70s to take the Am out (they had more
           | than todays) for a project.
           | 
           | Of course, he had to take the necessary license before he
           | started that project.
        
             | jazzyjackson wrote:
             | > (they had more than todays)
             | 
             | Or at least they used to ;)
        
       | Arcuru wrote:
       | It looks like it was confirmed that they've all been accounted
       | for:
       | https://social.emfcamp.org/@info/statuses/01HZD9RNT3VFHCF5QJ...
        
       | dlgeek wrote:
       | Best toot about this:
       | 
       | https://meow.social/@AtomicMaya@tech.lgbt/112536890144120140
       | 
       | ''' OH: "we had a radioactive source dropped at the swap drop
       | 
       | a furry wearing a collar with a shirt showing a furry with the
       | radiation symbol came to dispose of it"
       | 
       | most #emfcamp sentence ever '''
        
         | semi-extrinsic wrote:
         | The furry being referred to is the OP in the link for this
         | post, says they work in civilian nuclear.
        
         | HPsquared wrote:
         | That is a really confusing sentence to parse.
        
       | slicktux wrote:
       | Just reading the comments I found out about this:
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez_cobalt-60...
        
         | Xunjin wrote:
         | Brazil also had an incident like this one
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident
        
           | semi-extrinsic wrote:
           | Of note is that the (horrible) Goiania incident had a source
           | with around 74 tera-Bq, the source in the original post here
           | is something like 360 kilo-Bq.
           | 
           | So try to visualize the difference between a 360 kilobyte
           | file and a 74 terabyte file. Or the cost difference between a
           | cheap pack of chewing gum and an F-35 fighter aircraft.
        
             | HPsquared wrote:
             | A factor of 200 million.
        
         | retrac wrote:
         | It was not the worst for fatalities, but the one that disturbs
         | me most I think, was the one in the 1980s in Ukraine where an
         | intense radiation source that was lost, worked its way into
         | gravel, that was used for concrete for an apartment building.
         | It was in a panel in a bedroom. A young family died of
         | leukemia. Another family moved in. The son of the man who moved
         | in, soon died of leukemia. He knew about the previous
         | residents, and started looking into it, and eventually they
         | brought in a radiation specialist and a geiger counter.
         | 
         | The dose rate was about 0.2 R per hour. Enough to almost
         | certainly be fatal if you slept next to it regularly for even
         | just a few months. Yet low enough that it likely wouldn't cause
         | any acute sickness to anyone simply passing through the room
         | periodically. Particularly insidious. And so it was in the wall
         | for 9 years.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_radiological_accide...
        
           | tshaddox wrote:
           | The disturbing thing about the Juarez contamination is that
           | one old radiotherapy machine was able to meaningfully
           | contaminate 6,000 _tons_ of rebar.
        
       | perihelions wrote:
       | Very editorialized HN title. "Radioisotope source" would be
       | accurate and non-clickbaity (in place of "nuclear material").
        
         | MarkMarine wrote:
         | I think it's a fair title considering we talk about the
         | "Nuclear Boy Scout" with the same title, and he used the same
         | source collected from many smoke detectors to perform his
         | experiments and the end result was his shed was designated a
         | superfund site.
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn
        
           | nanomonkey wrote:
           | The boy scout built a breeder reactor, which is quite a
           | different beast as it produces more fissile material over
           | time.
        
           | perihelions wrote:
           | That's not the same thing though. Those experiments weren't a
           | simple alpha-emitter source; they were a neutron source that
           | finely combined an alpha source with a low-Z element
           | (aluminum? [0]), which was deliberately combined with
           | fissionable nuclear material, thorium, to test nuclear
           | fission reactions (on a very small scale). It's _technically
           | accurate_ to describe that one as a nuclear experiment.
           | 
           | [0] https://cen.acs.org/articles/82/i32/PITFALLS-SELF-GUIDED-
           | SCI...
        
       | amluto wrote:
       | I don't think I've ever encountered one of these particular
       | things objects, but I observe two things:
       | 
       | 1. There's no radiation symbol or mention of any radiation source
       | in the picture.
       | 
       | 2. From looking on Wikipedia, this type of device looks like it's
       | meant to _measure_ radiation, and there's no mention of any
       | reason that it would contain a radioactive source. Household
       | smoke detectors contain ionization chambers _and_ a radiation
       | source, but they seem to be separate devices.
       | 
       | Is there any reason to believe that this thing contains a
       | radioactive source?
        
         | Doxin wrote:
         | I mean the guy who went and collected them works in the nuclear
         | industry, so I'd imagine he knows what he is on about.
        
         | throwup238 wrote:
         | This looks like it measures smoke density by measuring
         | radiation. The americium is bound up in a gold matrix called
         | "Americium alpha foil" and the sensor essentially measures how
         | many alpha particles make it through the smoke.
         | 
         | According to some random Nuclear Regulatory Commission
         | documents, a specific EC 23095-1 with Serial no. 830101 was
         | used as the calibration standard for testing other MICs:
         | https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0037/ML003770968.pdf
        
       | xyst wrote:
       | So person drops off some device that measures radiation at a swap
       | meet.
       | 
       | ?Somehow person figures out device is radioactive?
       | 
       | Person throws radioactive device in back of truck. Then will
       | dispose of properly at civilian nuclear facility.
       | 
       | I guess the worry here is that the other person is unqualified to
       | handle and dispose of the device and cause bodily injury to self?
        
       | 42lux wrote:
       | An enticing story, but in the end, it's no better than finding an
       | old smoke detector at a yard sale.
        
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