[HN Gopher] Apple and OpenAI have signed a deal to partner on AI
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Apple and OpenAI have signed a deal to partner on AI
Author : belter
Score : 42 points
Date : 2024-05-31 21:09 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
| mrbishalsaha wrote:
| Bad news for google. Sundar is dying inside
| throwup238 wrote:
| _> Another is a change to OpenAI 's structure as a corporation.
| OpenAI has an unusual structure, with a for-profit corporation
| beholden to a nonprofit organization. The Information claims that
| Altman and his allies are seeking to convert it into either a
| traditional for-profit corporation or a benefit corporation known
| as a B-Corp. B-Corps allow corporations to have additional goals
| beyond shareholder interest, protecting them from certain kinds
| of shareholder lawsuits if they act for reasons beyond profits._
|
| And the penny drops!
| milkshakes wrote:
| this... sounds like a good thing?
| candiddevmike wrote:
| Stock didn't really move on this, but IMO this is a bearish
| signal for Apple--they're sitting on a ton of cash and can't
| catch up to OpenAI? Not even via acquisition? How far behind are
| their internal efforts?
| carabiner wrote:
| It's priced in.
| ghayes wrote:
| To be fair, launching their own ChatGPT wouldn't be that much
| more interesting than leveraging OpenAI. What would be amazing
| is if they get a high-quality GPT model running locally on the
| device and integrate that with their services.
| Wytwwww wrote:
| > high-quality GPT model running locally on the device and
| integrate that with their services.
|
| Unfortunately very few Macs would be able to run anything
| like that since 8GB is still the base config for consumer
| models and I wouldn't be too surprised if 80-90% of all Macs
| sold in the last couple of years only have 16 GB or less.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| The good thing is if they choose a model that runs on a 8GB
| macbook it can run just as well on an iphone
| Wytwwww wrote:
| I think the difference between 6GB and 8GB might be more
| significant than it seems when you subtract the OS and
| any other apps that are running.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| 15 Pro is 8GB
| segasaturn wrote:
| Why exactly does Apple need to make their own AI? I would
| prefer if they focused their efforts on what they're already
| good at - making hardware and operating systems to run on top
| of it.
| mindwok wrote:
| Apple has never been about moving fast in response to hype.
| Think about 3G, VR, foldable screens (apparently coming to
| iPads in a few years). They do things in their own time and
| somehow it works.
| sk11001 wrote:
| > but IMO this is a bearish signal for Apple--they're sitting
| on a ton of cash and can't catch up to OpenAI?
|
| Nobody has caught up to OpenAI, it's absurd to expect Apple to
| have done it simply because they have the cash.
| turnsout wrote:
| Especially when they can't use that cash to buy Nvidia cards,
| due to an epic grudge
| xnx wrote:
| Google seems caught up, or very close:
| https://chat.lmsys.org/?leaderboard
| pupppet wrote:
| Siri was released in 2011. What AI advances have they made
| since then despite showing early interest and having endless
| resources? They blew it.
| next_xibalba wrote:
| Does this mean Siri will catch up to Google Assistant? Or at
| least be somewhat useful?
| layer8 wrote:
| From https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/30/ai-siri-features-
| ios-18...:
|
| "Apple has been working on a deal with OpenAI to integrate
| OpenAI's ChatGPT technology into iOS 18, [...] but Siri
| functionality likely relies on Apple's own LLM work."
| ninjha01 wrote:
| Ben Thompson of Stratechery raised a good question - why isn't
| Apple partnering with Microsoft instead of OpenAI? Microsoft has
| the weights, can provide the requisite infra, is in the process
| of derisking the OpenAI collaboration via defacto aquihires...
|
| OpenAI is losing people, has a CEO with a mixed reputation,
| irritates a famous actress who beat Disney in court...
| layer8 wrote:
| Apple likely plans to use their own infrastructure [0], and why
| should they add a major competitor as a middleman?
|
| [0] https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-power-ai-servers-
| wi...
| ninjha01 wrote:
| I can't imagine apple has chip production scaled to the point
| it could support all the inference queries coming from all
| the iPhones
| consumer451 wrote:
| Maybe branding/brand recognition? Outside of tech circles, it's
| likely that very few people know anything bad about Altman,
| compared to the hundreds of millions who know about "ChatGPT."
| ninjha01 wrote:
| The brand recognition is surely flowing from the iPhone to
| ChatGPT.
|
| They'll have to rebrand siri though
| gwern wrote:
| You're looking at it the wrong way: Altman really wants this
| deal. For a long time, accelerated by the OA coup, he has been
| searching for ways out of the MS trap, where OA becomes an
| appendix to MS, dependent on MS infrastructure completely.
| ('Above you, below you, around you...') Apple is one of the few
| viable alternatives to play off against MS. (This is the same
| as why Anthropic gets investment from Google & Amazon, as their
| anti-OA.) The mere fact of any Apple deal at all is a lot of
| leverage against Nadella. Think of it as like North Korea
| playing off China and Russia against each other; it is bad to
| have only 1 patron, but it is good to have 2.
|
| EDIT: ah, there we go: https://www.businessinsider.com/satya-
| nadella-sam-altman-ope... Mission. Accomplished.
| ninjha01 wrote:
| I understand the motivation from the OAI side. what does
| apple gain though?
|
| The purported google deal made a lot more sense to me. OAI is
| terrified of google, and Apple could mitigate Pixel
| differentiating against iPhone. Google would get a bunch of
| training data as well.
| __loam wrote:
| Hope we can turn this off
| talldayo wrote:
| Hahahahaha... ahh. Optimism.
| ExMachina73 wrote:
| You have to wonder if Giannandrea is what's been holding Siri
| back all these years. What can you point to that he's
| significantly improved at Apple since coming from Google in 2018?
| And now he's luke-warm on LLMs? Seems like someone we should be
| seeing present Apple's AI strategy at this year's WWDC keynote,
| no?
| layer8 wrote:
| He's lukewarm on chatbots, not necessarily on LLMs.
| gumby wrote:
| > You have to wonder if Giannandrea is what's been holding Siri
| back all these years.
|
| I think it's more that Siri wasn't central to Apple (though
| consider homepod and watch, both of which pretty much need to
| be talked to).
|
| But he's the _reason_ Google had a corporate push on AI at all;
| he bought Deep Mind etc. I really don 't think he's been
| sitting on his hands.
| retskrad wrote:
| Apple, in 2024, is still unable to implement a functioning
| autocorrect, which is a primitive version of LLM's, in the iOS
| keyboard. Why anyone has any faith in Apple in the new age of
| LLM's is beyond me.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| As previously discussed:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40328927
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40325876
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40322104
| tracerbulletx wrote:
| I think this is more strategic than about whether or not apple
| could make an AI if they wanted to. OpenAI plays MS off Apple,
| Apple plays Google off OpenAI. Apple probably gets very favorable
| terms from OpenAI due to the market they're opening up to them.
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