[HN Gopher] Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior
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       Toxoplasma Gondii significantly alters wolf behavior
        
       Author : anigbrowl
       Score  : 62 points
       Date   : 2024-05-29 20:34 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | Imnimo wrote:
       | This is legitimately super interesting, but I can't help
       | imagining a wave of "alpha male bootcamps" where you pay
       | thousands of dollars to handle cat feces for a weekend in the
       | hopes of being infected.
        
         | chasil wrote:
         | You can be infected by undercooked pork.
         | 
         | If you own a cat, the litter box will be the primary vector.
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasma_gondii#Preventing...
        
         | nativeit wrote:
         | We're calling it "Litter Blox Tactical Training - Bury Your
         | Weakness & Scat", memberships start at just $1999.99/year!
        
       | infecto wrote:
       | Was there not research in the past few years that took a look at
       | motorcycle deaths and there was some correlation between the
       | individuals that did not wear helmets and those that were also
       | infected with toxoplasmosis?
        
         | Terr_ wrote:
         | It seems there are two different Toxoplasmosis/Accident
         | narratives being studied out there, (1) that infection causes
         | risky behavior and (2) that infection harms reaction-times.
         | 
         | I suppose both could be true, but disentangling the effects
         | means different kinds of work.
        
         | stevenwoo wrote:
         | I want to believe it because it makes a great science story and
         | it makes good reading but who knows? This meta analysis only
         | shows there is some correlation with behavior changes (only
         | schizophrenia seems to consistently have some correlation) and
         | discusses the difficulties in doing studies in pretty easy to
         | understand way IMHO,
         | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8548174/ The very
         | high 30 percent infection rate among the world population is
         | kind of like like herpes, which at first thought would seem to
         | confound things, though at a glance at a few, the studies were
         | careful to separate infected versus non-infected.
        
         | eitland wrote:
         | I remember reading about it, probably in a farming related book
         | from the nineties.
        
       | shagie wrote:
       | From a bit ago... "but why does it infect humans?"
       | https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160209090622.h...
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       | Toxoplasmosis: Morbid attraction to leopards in parasitized
       | chimpanzees
       | 
       | > Researchers have shown that chimpanzees infected with
       | toxoplasmosis are attracted by the urine of their natural
       | predators, leopards, but not by urine from other large felines.
       | The study suggests that parasite manipulation by Toxoplasma
       | gondii is specific to each host. It fuels an ongoing debate on
       | the origin of behavioral modifications observed in humans
       | infected with toxoplasmosis: they probably go back to a time when
       | our ancestors were still preyed upon by large felines.
        
       | ineedaj0b wrote:
       | Is there a cheap test for this? I don't wanna run out to my Dr.
       | and seem like a complete nut but I do worry I got this. I am an
       | absolute idiot
        
         | lkbm wrote:
         | Yes. I don't know exactly how cheap, but it's a big risk for
         | pregnant women (not to have it, but to get infected while
         | pregnant), so they have tests available, and it was affordable
         | enough that my fiancee did it as part of her a prenatal
         | screening.
        
         | dvh wrote:
         | Are you attracted to cougars in your area?
        
         | retrac wrote:
         | There are antibody tests to show if you've ever had it, and
         | approximately how intense/active the infection is. Mild latent
         | and recent past infection is hard to distinguish apart from an
         | antibody test alone. Decreasing antibody concentration over
         | time = fighting it off successfully, or past infection fading
         | away (probably). Antibody tests like that aren't terribly
         | expensive. (Well under $100 here in Canada if uninsured.)
         | 
         | Direct testing for the parasite's DNA in the cerebral-spinal
         | fluid (yeah, a spinal tap sorry) is sensitive, too. Attempting
         | to detect it elsewhere (blood, etc.) works but isn't as
         | reliable. This is more expensive but sometimes used when
         | unsure. Otherwise, in combination with that, it's diagnosed
         | symptomatically. It shows up on a brain scan if the lesions get
         | big enough, not to be alarmist.
        
           | BitwiseFool wrote:
           | No need to test, just give me treatment.
        
       | ncgl wrote:
       | I love stuff like this, but I can't help but wonder much of this
       | is simply editorialization on top of natural selection.
       | 
       | Do infected wolves really take more risks? Or are we just
       | connecting two dots with a thin bro science understanding of
       | evolution? It seems impossible to know when you're looking for a
       | broad narrative that fits how genes are spread
        
       | thunkle wrote:
       | Effects of Toxoplasma on Human Behavior
       | 
       | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2526142/
       | 
       | >> the men were more likely to disregard rules and were more
       | expedient, suspicious, jealous, and dogmatic. The personality of
       | infected women, by contrast, showed higher warmth and higher
       | superego strength (factors A and G on Cattell's 16PF), suggesting
       | that they were more warm hearted, outgoing, conscientious,
       | persistent, and moralistic. Both men and women had significantly
       | higher apprehension (factor O) compared with the uninfected
       | controls.
        
       | awaythrow999 wrote:
       | I remember an article in the Economist between 2000-2010 claiming
       | this was the cause of French drivers acting more reckless and
       | aggressive in traffic compared to other countries. Not a
       | subscriber anymore so sadly can't find the link in their archive.
        
       | etiam wrote:
       | Looks like enough people are coming sufficiently fresh to this
       | topic to benefit:
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       | Professor Robert Sapolsky at Stanford had Toxoplasma and it's
       | manipulation behaviors as a research interest for a period. He's
       | a successful popular science writer and I think many people
       | appreciate his informal lecture style as entertaining.
       | 
       | I don't remember which are the best presentations he's given on
       | _T. gondii_ but here 's one that appears to be high-ranking on
       | search at least
       | 
       | https://www.edge.org/conversation/robert_sapolsky-toxo
        
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