[HN Gopher] First Bioprocessor Powered by Human Brain Organoids
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       First Bioprocessor Powered by Human Brain Organoids
        
       Author : Hadi7546
       Score  : 30 points
       Date   : 2024-05-29 05:14 UTC (17 hours ago)
        
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       | zonkerdonker wrote:
       | Anyone ineterested in more wetware projects should check out the
       | series from The Thought Emporium on youtube:
       | https://youtu.be/bEXefdbQDjw
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       | They are attempting to train a (literal) neural network to play
       | DOOM. And yes, it os as fascinating and horrifying as it sounds.
       | 
       | It's hard not to extrapolate 50 years down the line with this
       | tech. Stuff gets complicated quick. How many human neurons do you
       | have to use before you get an actual human consiousness?
        
         | simonh wrote:
         | Do you have to use human neurons?
        
           | zonkerdonker wrote:
           | No, in the video they are using rat neurons (they're the
           | cheapest)
        
         | ben_w wrote:
         | > It's hard not to extrapolate 50 years down the line with this
         | tech. Stuff gets complicated quick.
         | 
         | Indeed, though looking at the rate of change in various fields,
         | I feel everything goes weird some time around 2032 or so:
         | https://benwheatley.github.io/blog/2024/03/23-17.24.34.html
         | 
         | > How many human neurons do you have to use before you get an
         | actual human consiousness?
         | 
         | How many grains of sand makes a heap.
         | 
         | (I don't know the relative importance of organic neurons as
         | hardware vs. whatever specific connectivity architecture they
         | happen to have in us, so the same _might_ apply to
         | perceptrons).
        
       | ljlolel wrote:
       | I wrote a sci-fi novella based on this.
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       | Scientists develop bioprocessor organoids, then develop cDNA that
       | lives in the germ line that develops this organoid with pre-
       | programmed in weights of all human knowledge.
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       | This solves the alignment problem because now every human has an
       | efficient NN biologically embodied inside them (and for free to
       | all progeny).
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       | The AI is just a new multimodal neuron mini-brain with just a few
       | billion weights holding all knowledge whispering conclusions into
       | your ear.
       | 
       | This survives all civilization-ending catastrophes.
       | 
       | My friend added, then scientists discovered that this mini brain
       | and axonal connection already exists in the gut and develops a
       | way to reactivate it. Lol
        
         | beambot wrote:
         | Published? Title?
        
         | ben_w wrote:
         | > This solves the alignment problem because now every human has
         | an efficient NN biologically embodied inside them (and for free
         | to all progeny).
         | 
         | That's fine in fiction, but IRL? Well, if I gave everyone an
         | organoid that did this _but also_ it produced cocaine by
         | accident, you can see how that 's not sufficient.
         | 
         | It's also a reverse-lobotomy (lobo-plasty?), and it's not
         | reasonable to wonder if the change of personality as a result
         | of an extra blob of mind can be just as severe as the change
         | from a removal of some part of your mind.
         | 
         | > My friend added, then scientists discovered that this mini
         | brain and axonal connection already exists in the gut and
         | develops a way to reactivate it. Lol
         | 
         | I like this twist. Almost "the aliens were in us all along".
        
           | jprete wrote:
           | The intestinal tract's neural network could be an entirely
           | separate consciousness with its own thoughts and personality
           | spending ninety years of life thinking about food.
        
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