[HN Gopher] Google's AI is that stupid, feeds people answers fro...
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Google's AI is that stupid, feeds people answers from The Onion
Author : c420
Score : 38 points
Date : 2024-05-27 18:12 UTC (4 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.avclub.com)
| jjgreen wrote:
| 'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Search-Engine Where This
| Regularly Happens
| theturtletalks wrote:
| Is it even in their best interest to make it work? I'm sure the
| normal person would start to ignore the AI answer and scroll
| down to see the first page of ads and then find the results.
| CleanRoomClub wrote:
| I think you're wrong. The normal person would almost
| certainly take the quick summary answer so long as it doesn't
| sound _too_ absurd.
|
| Most people use google to answer a question. If that question
| is answered immediately at the top of the page, mission
| accomplished
| ben_jones wrote:
| Is there a way to turn it off other than an obscure query
| parameter in the URL?
|
| An honest release of this feature would have a "turn it off"
| button right next to it and I'm not seeing one.
| more_corn wrote:
| We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!
| fooblaster wrote:
| conveniently the same problems are present in gpt4, but
| conveniently ignored as that product is from a revolutionary
| startup
| prepend wrote:
| Gpt4 doesn't show me these summaries and answers even though
| I never asked and just searched.
|
| This is just another example of google sucking and being kind
| of stupid now.
| Spivak wrote:
| Ask an AI to answer a question based on the provided search
| context when the top result is The Onion and you get...
| information from The Onion.
|
| This really is "you can't win when you're a big platform and have
| a billion QA testers looking for something to spark Twitter
| outrage." You can generate your own rage bait on your own pretty
| easily if you craft a search where a satirical article is the
| first result.
| sandspar wrote:
| Why is 2024 Google so widely despised that there's such an
| appetite for seeing it humiliated?
| pjmlp wrote:
| Because we remember how Google was when Yahoo, Altavista, Ask
| Jeeves! ruled.
| gundmc wrote:
| But do you remember how the Internet was when Yahoo,
| Altavista, and Ask Jeeves! ruled? There's no going back to
| that, no matter how good your search algorithm is.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Compared with Google in 2024, I could actually find what
| I was looking for.
| nrb wrote:
| Because now there is a galaxy-sized gulf between what users
| want and what Google wants.
|
| Google's stated mission was "to organize the world's
| information and make it universally accessible and useful"
| but their actions over the last few years have served only to
| make search _less_ accessible and useful.
| beryilma wrote:
| "Don't be evil" was it? We came a long way from that...
| prepend wrote:
| I don't want to humiliate google, I just want them to fix
| their stuff.
|
| I'm annoyed with them because they have poor, ad-infested
| search results and kill many products I liked (code, reader,
| froogle/shopping, blogger static sites, etc etc).
| lupire wrote:
| How hard is it for Google to figure out that The Onion is a
| satire site? They've had over 20 years to figure it out.
|
| The Onion aite also says "The Onion is not intended for readers
| under 18 years of age." so Google shouldn't be showing it when
| Safe Search is enabled.
| mindcandy wrote:
| Along with legit news and problems, there has been a ton of
| outrage this past year that boils down to
|
| User: Hey, AI. Act naughty.
|
| AI: Hee hee heeeee... I am so naughty!
|
| User on Twitter: Look! Look! The AI is naughty!
| aprilthird2021 wrote:
| Generative AIs are great at generating new, unique groups of
| words and images, etc. that are pleasing to humans (this is what
| they are trained to do after all).
|
| They're not oracles or databases or encyclopedias. But they're
| marketed to us as the latter, so people naturally get upset when
| they have flaws all those other sources of info don't.
| Rodeoclash wrote:
| Agreed. I would extend this and say that we are so enamored by
| the "humanness" that they exhibit that we're collectively
| losing our minds over them.
|
| I think this stems from the part of our brain that lights up
| when an animal (or in this case a machine) exhibits humanlike
| behaviour. Crows counting out loud, parrots that understand the
| concept of 0 and chimpanzees that are using stone age tools all
| give us the same reaction. LLMs have dialled this response up
| to 11.
| croes wrote:
| BS in, BS out.
| squarefoot wrote:
| It seems the AI confuses literal and semantic searches, that is,
| if I search for "what is America's finest news source?" it should
| be clear that I'm not looking for a page containing that phrase
| but rather one that satisfies its meaning not necessarily
| respecting the phrase word for word. However, Google is a
| advertising machine, so I wouldn't be that surprised if a search
| for "what is the best pizza in the world" didn't return results
| based on user reviews and opinions but rather a pointer to
| someone that advertise themselves as the best pizza in the world.
| pimlottc wrote:
| It's more than just the literal text on theonion.com; that
| tagline has been widely quoted on many reputable sites when
| describing The Onion [0]. So I'm sure to Google that seems like
| a really strong signal that there's a strong consensus that
| they really are the finest news source out there.
|
| 0:
| https://www.google.com/search?q=%22America%27s+finest+news+s...
| more_corn wrote:
| And in every context onion is known to be a source of purely
| satirical content. This isn't hard.
| toast0 wrote:
| The AV club isn't purely satirical content and was
| integrated into the Onion for a long time (I'm not sure how
| separate it is now, but it has its own domain anyway)
| viraptor wrote:
| > it should be clear that I'm not looking for a page containing
| that phrase but rather one that satisfies its meaning
|
| Why? If you hear "America's finest news source" a few times and
| go to google to check what people mean, you really want it to
| tell you about the onion. Or at least a Wikipedia-style
| disambiguation page.
| sdwr wrote:
| There's a big difference between returning a list of results vs
| a paragraph of information declaring an answer.
|
| An incorrect or tenuously related result coming back as #5, or
| even #1, is less "wrong" than "the answer" being wrong.
| blackeyeblitzar wrote:
| Isn't this criticism a bit early? This is all fixable, or at
| least it can be improved upon.
| yifanl wrote:
| Anything can be anything else tomorrow, which is why we must
| criticize what's in front of us today.
| rchaud wrote:
| Apple Maps' 2011 launch fiasco probably handed Google Maps a
| 10-year lead, even if they fixed the bugs.
|
| First impressions are important. Nobody remembers that Windows
| Vista after Service Pack 2 was more or less indistinguishable
| from Windows 7.
| mbfg wrote:
| I'd say this might be the best evidence so far that google's AI
| has passed the Turing test, and is indistinguishable from humans.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| [dupe]
|
| More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40461580
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40448074
| chucke1992 wrote:
| I still don't think these search results are what users want to
| use at all (even if they are correct). Google Search trained
| users to search for far too long. Now it returns some crap even
| in the search, but that's a separate matter.
|
| I think the future is search being integrated into everything.
| You are watching a tiktok video - "what is that song?", "what is
| that flower?", "where to buy the same bag?".
| vrinsd wrote:
| Those who don't study history are bound to repeat it:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)
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