[HN Gopher] My BDFL guiding principles
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       My BDFL guiding principles
        
       Author : tambourine_man
       Score  : 66 points
       Date   : 2024-05-27 15:07 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | 082349872349872 wrote:
       | I'm impressed by the flag; hopefully other BDFL's will follow
       | suit: not necessarily in a vexillological vein, but maybe with
       | their amazonian bodyguard troupe, their secret volcano bunker, or
       | their equivalent of "Solomon" (Blofeld's Persian)?
       | Donde sobra corazon,       !Ay Curlita! !Ay Curlita!
        
         | xg15 wrote:
         | Python's flag would definitely be a coconut, surrounded by a
         | concerning amount of whitespace.
         | 
         | ("Would", as Guido van Rossum sadly already retired as BDFL)
        
           | 082349872349872 wrote:
           | Maybe GvR could do a re-enactment of the farcical aquatic
           | ceremony by which he became BDFL? (Steven Pemberton
           | presumably knows enough about Panto to do a decent scimitar-
           | lobbing moistened bint; the question which remains is whether
           | Lambert Meertens has either cross-dressing or sword-
           | distributing experience? Based on
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhRT0mNiA6o I'm willing to
           | consider it likely)
        
             | xg15 wrote:
             | > _Steven Pemberton presumably knows enough about Panto to
             | do a decent scimitar-lobbing moistened bint; the question
             | which remains is whether Lambert Meertens has either cross-
             | dressing or sword-distributing experience?_
             | 
             | Some sentences are beautiful in their own right and don't
             | need any context or explanations.
        
         | lelandfe wrote:
         | I liked that "curl" is in the border ornamentation
         | https://imgur.com/a/6vaimcj
        
       | PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
       | As another BDFL, I was disappointed to see that these were a set
       | of principles about what curl/the curl project should be, rather
       | than principles for how to be a BDFL. Obviously, they are related
       | - how you conceive of the project is quite intertwined with how
       | you intend to be-a-BDFL.
       | 
       | But the BDFL cannot by themselves satisfy most of the goals
       | listed in TFA.
       | 
       | If I had to sum up my own right now, without much thought:
       | 
       | 1. keep the project actually alive by ensuring there is clear
       | evidence to all of continuous, significant development.
       | 
       | 2. be respectful to all those currently involved, and to all who
       | wish to become involved.
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       | 3. always remain open to the possibility that I'm doing something
       | wrong, and eagerly seek out criticism that may reveal that to be
       | the case.
       | 
       | 4. notwithstanding #3, accept that I am the expert of experts in
       | most senses, and have accumulated a lot of domain and application
       | specific knowledge along the way; do not get hustled by
       | newcomers.
       | 
       | 5. notwithstanding #4, acknowledgement that newcomers may have
       | ideas that hold the key to improving usability, discoverability,
       | functionality and more. In general, strive to give their ideas
       | serious attention.
       | 
       | 6. Be nice. Be kind. Be respectful. Answer (most) questions asked
       | of me personally.
       | 
       | 7. When it is possible to financially compensate people for
       | significant participation, do so.
       | 
       | 8. Always acknowledge the contributions of others.
       | 
       | 9. Promote the idea of my own humanity and that of all those
       | involved, in order to encourage kind behavior and an
       | understanding of what is possible (or not).
       | 
       | 10. Always remember that it is other people who make my work
       | possible, not me.
        
         | peter_l_downs wrote:
         | For anyone else not familiar with Paul, he is a very effective
         | maintainer of a variety of audio related programs. These are
         | fantastic principles and (as a neutral observer) he lives up to
         | them. Heavy is the head that wears the crown!
        
       | chambers wrote:
       | A few too many principles mixing the BDFL & their project, I
       | think. It's ok for a BDFL to share the things they care for, but
       | I would prefer a harder framework for predicting BDFL behavior.
       | 
       | My short go-to-example is
       | https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/five-core-principles-... .
       | If one imagines a world where each principle is invalidated from
       | last to first, one can have a rough idea on how the actions the
       | country will take.
       | 
       | My long go-to-example is https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html. A
       | list of rules that they place upon themselves and not on others.
        
         | moomin wrote:
         | The SQLite example gives you a pretty good idea of how the
         | maintainers wish to be perceived, but I think it's fairly
         | obvious to most people that those that loudly proclaim their
         | adherence to the first ten rules exhibit a WIDE variety of
         | behaviour in practice.
        
       | anonfordays wrote:
       | After what happened to Nix, I've only gained more respect and
       | preference for projects that have BDFL.
        
         | adhamsalama wrote:
         | Only if the BDFL isn't okay with his software being used to
         | kill innocent civilians.
        
           | samatman wrote:
           | What is it that you think open source means? Vibes?
        
         | meowface wrote:
         | What happened to Nix?
        
           | recursivecaveat wrote:
           | Nixcon NA 2023 accepted, then later rescinded, sponsorship
           | from Anduril, which is a defense company. There was a lot of
           | community pushback on that, and it seems like the organizers
           | messed up and the venue wouldn't allow it anyway. Either way
           | they were a sponsor for 2024. Ever since there has been a lot
           | of infighting in the community. Here's a recent LWN article
           | and HN discussion about it:
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40199153
        
             | neonsunset wrote:
             | Also relevant reading: https://srid.ca/nixos-mod
             | 
             | How certain, ideologically and politically driven parts of
             | community conduct themselves against anyone they suspect of
             | wrongthink: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/delroths-muting-
             | in-the-moderat...
        
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