[HN Gopher] Microsoft's AI chatbot will 'recall' everything you ...
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Microsoft's AI chatbot will 'recall' everything you do on its new
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Author : isaacfrond
Score : 89 points
Date : 2024-05-21 07:53 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| dustedcodes wrote:
| When you think Microsoft can't be any more hostile to its users
| they always surprise you with another trick up their sleeve.
|
| There are not many companies which I've grown to immensely
| dislike over the years like Microsoft. I started my career as a
| .NET developer and huge fan of their products, buying into all
| their crap from all the way from Silverlight to Windows Phone,
| WPF and even owned a Surface Pro 3 tablet/laptop but today there
| is really rarely a company that makes me reck as much as
| Microsoft with their product announcements. My opinion of this
| company couldn't be any lower and I hugely judge any developer
| working in Windows. I know I shouldn't but I can't help myself
| that unless they are a game developer there is objectively
| speaking absolutely no reason for a developer to work on a
| Surface device or Windows.
| capl wrote:
| Same here. Once worked with a guy who was a huge Microsoft fan,
| calling Macs and Linux-based workstations "nothing but toys".
| Naturally I couldn't help but laugh when he couldn't work for
| 20 minutes due to a forced windows update and then a blue
| screen after booting up again.
|
| The Candy crush and other crappy apps/games in combination to
| being a full fledged spyware OS with adware on top is already
| enough to make me run away screaming.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Macs are too damm expensive, don't really offer dollar per
| CPU/GPU/GB, and I am tired that there is always something that
| doesn't work with Pinguin OSes since 1995, even though I also
| admin UNIX boxes as part of the many hats I wear.
|
| Android and Chrome OS aren't really a replacement for desktop
| OSes, and Google is even worse in spying users anyway.
| SilverBirch wrote:
| After I've consented... right.... right guys!?
|
| I really worry that the financial incentives for this are all
| wrong. MSFT has a massive incentive to obstinately push AI
| interference into every element of their products. They _must_
| show traction to justify the continued exuberance around AI in
| the stock market. But a tool like this just has so much scope to
| make the user experience worse. I know what I want to do on my
| computer, do I need some AI clippy to ask if I need help.
|
| Windows has been on a strong downward trajectory for a while now
| - and that's been a conscious decision. In the last week I can
| remember my computer - unprompted - telling me the pollen count,
| a football score, 10 teas to sip for international tea day. That
| the FTSE Auto Index is down 3.24% (just go that now). None of
| that information is useful to me, I feel a strong sense of hatred
| towards windows now and I will be dumping this computer as soon
| as possible.
|
| But that's me, the user, I'm not who Satya Nadella cares about,
| Satya cares about saying "300% annual growth rate of AI usage" so
| that their numbers go up and to the right and I think it's going
| to drive me away from MSFT products completely.
| kotaKat wrote:
| Microsoft doesn't care about user consent. You can say "yes" or
| "not now".
|
| "No" is not a vocabulary word in Microsoft anymore.
| Rinzler89 wrote:
| The EU cares about user consent. So just like with Teams and
| Edge defaults, we're likely to see similar pushbacks on EU
| versions of windows.
|
| It's how I still don't have copilot on my Windows install
| despite the update bringing it to windows came to the US
| months ago. Or how certain employee tracking features in
| Azure/Office 365 are not available in EU.
| RegW wrote:
| Where "not now" could be a euphemism for "I don't want to,
| but there always a hope that they will change their minds
| later and won't force me", or perhaps it means "I want to
| wait until everyone else has caved, and my laptop no longer
| functional".
|
| I only continue to use Windows for work because it is
| mandated. All new work laptops come with at least one day of
| entertainment called "setting up". Where the myriad options
| are explored for the possibility of duplicity, breaking data
| collection and plain old contrarianism.
| justinclift wrote:
| Probably wouldn't fly for a work laptop, but I've been
| setting up Windows VMs recently using the "AtlasOS" thing
| and it seems to strip out all of the MS crap properly:
|
| https://atlasos.net
|
| Not a long term user of those VMs though, so I have no clue
| how they behaviour over a period of months (etc).
| atoav wrote:
| I am not a Microsoft-hater per se, but the amount of times I
| had to repeatedly tell them _No_ on a question they had asked
| me before is staggering.
|
| E.g. I _know_ I don 't want to use Edge, yet it feels like one
| of those nightmares where you fight a thing that won't die. It
| keeps coming back and this is just one of those things.
|
| Since I now played Fallout 4 without crashes on my Ubuntu
| system, I can't help but wonder if my future will be completely
| Windows-free at some point.
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| Microsoft's AI chatbot will recall everything you do.
|
| Except if it's a pattern that doesn't match what's perceived
| to be in the incredibly short term interests of Microsoft's
| shareholders.
| robbomacrae wrote:
| Gmail pushes chrome as a default browser repeatedly too. No
| way to turn that off. The system knows you don't want it
| (having already said no 15 times) its just hoping the 16th
| time you will accidentally click yes. I suspect as search
| evolves AI will no doubt be better at sneaking in less
| accurate but more lucrative results.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| At least Chrome doesn't come with unwanted shopping bars
| that bug you about coupons.
| weberer wrote:
| >No way to turn that off
|
| At least you can hide those with a uBlock filter. You
| can't do shit if its baked into your operating system.
| (Aside from deleting the whole thing and installing an OS
| that respects your freedoms)
| Pesthuf wrote:
| Yes/No became Yes / Please ask me later, and thank you very
| much (in a semi-hidden button in a totally unexpected
| position that doesn't even look clickable)
|
| And a few months later, it'll toggle to "yes" automatically,
| due to a "bug".
| flohofwoe wrote:
| > repeatedly tell them No on a question
|
| And you can't even tell it "No", it's typically "Maybe later"
| or "Not now". When will "modern UX experts" understand that
| "No means No".
| saurik wrote:
| We need to start shaming the actual UX experts and
| engineers who build these systems, rather than letting them
| hide behind the ranks of the giant evil megacorps they
| empower.
| badsectoracula wrote:
| You should also shame the developers who implement what
| said UX experts design, the managers who force the
| developers to implement said designs, the product owners
| who ask the UX designers to come up with ideas that end
| up with those designs, the finance gremlins who create
| these incentives for the owners of these ideas, etc and
| at the end of this recursive floodfill blame algorithm
| you'll probably end up covering most of the giant evil
| megacorp in question.
|
| Honestly i don't think you can put blame on any single
| individual - including the CEO - and have things change,
| this isn't a single player (or even single corporation,
| considering Microsoft isn't the only one doing these
| shady things) game.
| flohofwoe wrote:
| > Honestly i don't think you can put blame on any single
| individual...
|
| IMHO this is actually the biggest problem with modern
| application development, no accountability at all and
| everybody hiding behind somebody else instead of
| admitting failure, so all one can hope for is a poor
| compromise that's the average of many opinions (each
| single one of them even probably good, but not when mixed
| with random other opinions).
|
| Funny enough, it's the same problem, everybody weaseling
| around a clear "No" ;)
| exe34 wrote:
| that's the whole point of the ceo, to have somebody to
| blame.
| soco wrote:
| Yes we can, and that's the only way things can change. I
| don't care whether that single individual was only a cog,
| because it was an essential cog to bring garbage over our
| heads. A cog with a name. Have you watched "Zone of
| interest"? It applies everywhere, unfortunately: regular
| people don't care that much about the evil they do.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Okay, imagine your computer downloads an update to, say,
| official MS Weather app. You launch it, and suddenly,
| there it is, a goatse, right on the main screen, as
| backdrop to the current weather. A quick search on-line
| tells you that you were not hacked, but this is, in fact,
| an official UI change from the last update.
|
| Who do you think should be shamed for this? The
| developers who put it there? The UI experts who said
| where to put it? The UX experts that came up with this
| particular image as a way to maximize engagement? The
| product owners who told the team to add some extremely
| gross visual shock image to the app to boost engagement,
| and who approved that particular choice? The QA team that
| let it through? I'd say: yes, _all of them_.
|
| You definitely can't put blame on a single individual
| here. There's lot of blame to be put on many individuals
| across the organizational structure. I picked an extreme
| hypothetical example to work like a contrast agent, to
| make it easier to see that there are parts of the org
| that are directly involved with some wrongdoing (vs.
| indirectly involved by e.g. setting incentives), and it's
| not absurd to want to put blame on all of them.
| saurik wrote:
| I did say "and engineers who build these systems"; and if
| you want to also blame managers, I'm all for that! I
| don't think your point about product owners merely asking
| for ideas (unless they asked for evil ideas) makes as
| much sense, though, and I don't even know who these
| "finance gremlins" are really supposed to be, but I am
| more than willing to believe some blame might fall on
| them as well.
|
| Regardless, though: at the end of the day blame must fall
| on an actual people, as it is people who make decisions
| and it is people who take actions and it is only people
| who can stop any of it. It is utterly ridiculous that
| even if we were to create a law that said it was
| _illegal_ to create a dialog box that said "maybe
| later", somehow we would merely fine Microsoft and hope
| that disincentivizes the behavior while all the people
| who push on the law and continually test its boundaries
| in new products don't really have to worry about it
| themselves.
|
| FWIW, I actually will say I am more than a bit
| sympathetic to the argument that we should just blame
| everyone vaguely involved to the point where if we meet
| someone who works for these companies we should look at
| them with some side eye... but, the reality is that some
| people at whatever company we are talking about (here:
| Microsoft) are obviously more to blame for whatever evil
| decision we are dealing with than others, and so your
| attempt to pitch a tent so big that anyone not just
| merely vaguely involved with a decision but somehow in
| the entire industry should somehow be deserving of equal
| shame--and so we should oh-so-conveniently just not blame
| anyone at all--feels like a disingenuous attempt at
| distraction.
| endgame wrote:
| It was bad enough during the Win10 upgrade cycle that these
| sorts of memes were going around a lot:
| https://img.devrant.com/devrant/rant/r_13598_vFV77.jpg
|
| It has since become even worse. Forcing users onto cloud
| accounts, installing Zynga-tier crapware as part of routine
| updates and generally morphing into an advertising platform
| with a vestigial program loader attached.
| jakubmazanec wrote:
| You think UX experts decide these things? Everybody with a
| brain knows that these are awful anti-patterns - they are
| in the final product because it is intentional.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Unfortunely only when management stops having engagement
| KPIs mapped to their employees career path.
| k8sToGo wrote:
| Like you, I also wonder the same. Main reason for me to use
| Windows was the (almost) it just works. But it is starting to
| become annoying enough that the tinkering on Linux is the
| lesser problem of the two.
| jk563 wrote:
| For what it's worth; since the Steam Deck came out the vast
| majority of my gaming library has become playable on my Linux
| desktop. The Windows partition was removed shortly after I
| got a Deck and realised Valve have done such an incredible
| job with Proton to make games playable on Linux. With my
| library of games, at least, I've not had any major issues
| that linger in the memory.
| pjmlp wrote:
| And for some folks like myself that actually like Windows,
| and were even into the WinRT (the COM evolution not marketing
| term) bandwagon, the kind of decisions that leaves me shaking
| my head how management keeps torpedoing engineering.
| justinclift wrote:
| > I can't help but wonder if my future will be completely
| Windows-free at some point.
|
| Probably yes. :)
| qwery wrote:
| This is what free software is all about (to me).
|
| > E.g. I _know_ I don 't want to use Edge
|
| They know too. The fact that they "ask"[0] you what you want
| (sometimes) and won't accept your answer is disrespectful, to
| say the least. They know what you want and they are
| constantly and actively working against you, to manipulate or
| con you into changing your answer. And that's when they don't
| just force something upon you outright.
|
| Of course, they never intended to accept your choice. The
| software is acting on behalf of the vendor, not the user.
| Other software that does this is often called malware.
|
| [0] Calling what Microsoft does "asking" is being extremely
| generous...
| quaintdev wrote:
| Maybe just all this AI stuff pushes users towards Linux and we
| all can finally have "The year of Linux"
| lynx23 wrote:
| Are you talking about the same year when Linux will finally
| suceeed on the Desktop? :-)
| cjk2 wrote:
| Been waiting for 25 years now. Next year will be the one.
| hparadiz wrote:
| I just hit 4 years of using Linux as my daily driver and
| gaming on it. If you want to switch you can.
| cjk2 wrote:
| I don't want it. I rather like my Mac :)
| justinclift wrote:
| Well, it'll never be the Year of Linux for you then, and
| that's ok. :)
| Buttons840 wrote:
| On an optimistic note, I think Linux will keep pace with
| LLM integration, because LLMs have a high coolness-to-code-
| required-ratio. Linux UI has always been half text-based
| terminals anyway. Also, if we get an open LLM that users
| can run on their own computers, it's just over, there's not
| much room for Windows to improve over that, and the
| incentive are very strong for Windows to be worse.
| chx wrote:
| > After I've consented
|
| Well LLMs have already stolen everything you ever wrote or
| posted online.
|
| We told y'all to advocate for a very strict regulation of these
| things.
|
| But no.
|
| Instead: It's amazing. It's world changing.
|
| Yes. It's going to change the world. _For much worse_. If you
| thought Citizens United damaged democracy just _wait_.
| Elections will be won by those with the most compute aka the
| most money _everywhere_.
|
| People will _die_ of this bullshit. I can 't foretell how but
| they will. I mean, I haven't foreseen AI generated mushroom
| books but I am absolute certain this technology is deadly. Just
| wait.
|
| Everything AI generated should come with an unskippable,
| extremely obvious huge warning of being AI generated and free
| of facts. If the AI companies won't add these then we should
| force them by regulation. But no. Hype instead.
| Aeolun wrote:
| > Well LLMs have already stolen everything you ever wrote or
| posted online.
|
| I kind of expected that _someone_ will steal something I
| write or post online, so this doesn't particularly bother me.
| lynx23 wrote:
| How can anything you put online be "stolen" anyways? Its a 30
| year old truth that you shouldn't put anything online you
| dont want anyone else to use... Long before LLMs were a
| reality. Why the fuzz now?
| 123yawaworht456 wrote:
| there are reddit and twitter for y'all to peddle snarky
| holier-than-thou soapboxing about le current thing
| krisoft wrote:
| > We told y'all to advocate for a very strict regulation of
| these things.
|
| > But no.
|
| Simply legislation doesn't work that fast. Building up
| consensus about what needs legislation and how it needs
| legislation takes time.
|
| > Instead: It's amazing. It's world changing.
|
| People don't all think with a single mind. The people who
| find it amazing are not necessarily the same who complains
| about it.
| cynicalsecurity wrote:
| Switch to Linux. It's long time overdue.
| wslh wrote:
| > After I've consented... right.... right guys!?
|
| My two cents: no, the refusing option will be deep in the UI
| and surely you will need to use a combination of CTRL, ALTs,
| etc to make it visible before you check it out.
|
| Many times it is more difficult to (securely, optimally, etc)
| configure a Microsoft Windows desktop than a Microsoft Server
| with Active Directory, and MS Exchange.
| benterix wrote:
| > But that's me, the user, I'm not who Satya Nadella cares
| about, Satya cares about saying "300% annual growth rate of AI
| usage" so that their numbers go up and to the right and I think
| it's going to drive me away from MSFT products completely.
|
| You might be surprised. Satya reads Hacker News and there is an
| internal Microsoft initiative to promote Microsoft tech
| here[0]:
|
| > In fact this morning I was reading a news article in Hacker
| News, which is a community where we have been working hard to
| make sure that Azure is growing in popularity and I was
| pleasantly surprised to see that we have made a lot of
| progress. In some sense that at least basically said that we're
| neck to neck with Amazon when it comes to even elite developers
| as represented in that community.
|
| https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/investor/events/fy-2019/earn...
| hparadiz wrote:
| I only want this if the entire model is running on my device.
| Otherwise it's a massive security risk.
| logrot wrote:
| Microsoft cloud is totally secure and your data will only be
| shared with trusted partners. If you have nothing to hide then
| you have nothing to worry.
|
| Now please log in with your Microsoft account.
| sureIy wrote:
| Don't forget to verify your identity or else you won't be
| able to access some websites (and be fully tracked so we know
| when to come get you)
| cjk2 wrote:
| Trusted partners being whoever managed to extract their MSA
| key from a memory dump from a wide open onedrive by one of
| their engineers.
| gdiamos wrote:
| That's not exactly the same thing as the LLM photographic memory
| that we launched at Lamini a month ago -
| https://www.lamini.ai/blog/lamini-llm-photographic-memory-ev...
|
| We focused on LLMs that can reason while still remembering key
| facts exactly.
|
| But I like that the concept is catching on in the AI community.
| Go Satya.
|
| LLMs are powerful, but unlike humans, their weights are fixed
| during inference and cannot be used for working memory.
|
| Computer memories are abundant and perfect. It's not unreasonable
| to store your entire life in all modalities in a personal
| computer of the near future.
|
| AIs with that ability should exceed human performance on
| knowledge tasks.
| chx wrote:
| > We focused on LLMs that can reason while still remembering
| key facts exactly.
|
| It can NOT reason and exact facts are simply not a property of
| LLMs.
| gdiamos wrote:
| Agree that the current generation cannot do this. We have
| some better ones...
| mawadev wrote:
| Meanwhile I have a hard time connecting bluetooth devices in 2024
| and fight with clunky settings windows just to find a relevant
| piece of information. I should calculate the raw seconds of
| lifetime I lose in a day waiting for the search to finish its
| webrequests before showing me local results of my search term as
| well.
| tifik wrote:
| > search to finish its webrequests
|
| Now imagine it happening for literally every interaction.
| Opened a context menu? Oh give me a second to check the LLM
| server for useful actions I can offer you. Want to close a
| window? One sec just wanna analyze the content first to see if
| you reealy want to close it.
|
| I am so happy that most gaming is now possible on Linux and I
| dont have to use Windows at all.
| skydhash wrote:
| I left Windows for Linux around when Win 10 came out. What
| prompted was the whole shenanigans to remove features I
| didn't want and frustration with the settings (I like to
| change stuff every once in a while). I throw myself in the
| world of Arch, i3wm, and ricing. I'm using macOS now, but
| it's quite nice to know there's an haven out there once the
| abuse is too much.
| Abecid wrote:
| people acting like they already don't
| atemerev wrote:
| Well, I don't use Windows 11 for this reason, and I only use
| Windows 10 as a games launcher, so there's that.
| discordance wrote:
| FUD?
|
| The details so far suggest Recall will run locally, offline.
|
| The demo vid showed that you can select apps not be indexed in
| Recall... so, not "everything"
| t-writescode wrote:
| Where do you see that the details suggest it will run locally,
| "offline"?
|
| From the article: > Microsoft promises to protect users'
| privacy by giving them the option to filter out what they don't
| want tracked.
|
| This line here suggests that you can opt out of specific
| tracking, but says __nothing__ about where the model will be
| stored, trained, etc.
| maven29 wrote:
| >As you might imagine, all this snapshot recording comes at a
| hardware penalty. To use Recall, users will need to purchase
| one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's
| Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural
| processing unit (NPU). There are also minimum storage
| requirements for running Recall, with a minimum of 256GB of
| hard drive space and 50GB of available space. The default
| allocation for Recall on a 256GB device is 25GB, which can
| store approximately three months of snapshots. Users can adjust
| the allocation in their PC settings, with old snapshots being
| deleted once the allocated storage is full.
|
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/microsofts-new-recal...
| lozenge wrote:
| It doesn't say it's all local . Maybe the NPU is deciding
| which screenshots to keep, what regions to OCR or use image
| recognition.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| Will it really fully run on that NPU or will it offload some
| tasks to the cloud?
| exitb wrote:
| I can't wait until a computer will first "I'm afraid I can't do
| that, Dave" us when trying to download a Gameboy rom or write a
| Star Wars fanfic.
| kuerbel wrote:
| then boot up linux and light a candle for linus torvalds
| Tr03P wrote:
| I'm afraid I can't download the image, Kuerbel.
| Phelinofist wrote:
| Netboot to the rescue
| cy6erlion wrote:
| lights a candle for torvalds and burns incense for stallman
| sureIy wrote:
| ChatGPT already says exactly that. Welcome to the future.
| makeitdouble wrote:
| That line feels more and more unrealistic to me as we're
| approaching a world where AI is shoved everywhere.
|
| We'll probably never get such an emphatic apology, instead:
|
| - there will be no response (same way mirroring a Disney movie
| in the Vision Pro is just a dark rectangle)
|
| - it will tell us to just see with the administrator (the
| closest we have to "go fuck yourself", as we'll be the
| administrator)
|
| - it will throw us a link to a help page with platitudes about
| how we're mostly free to do whatever we want, and ask us if the
| page was helpful to solve our problem.
|
| - we'll be asked to repeat the request indefinitely with no
| response on the result.
| hiddencost wrote:
| I'm excited to hear about their plans for GDPR and DMA
| compliance.
|
| Europe starting to look very prescient here.
|
| BTW: if you uncover a willful violation of these laws at your
| company (preferably with the knowledge of a director), you can
| whistleblow to the SEC (and the relevant EU authorities at the
| same time), and the SEC will provide you strong whistleblower
| protections and hopefully you can walk away with millions of
| dollars in whistleblower awards.
|
| To my knowledge the EU doesn't provide the same kind of juicy
| whistleblower incentives, but willfully violating such a strong
| EU law would also trigger SEC enforcement, and they're the ones
| who will pay big bucks.
|
| To my knowledge the largest SEC whistleblower award was $279
| million.
|
| I encourage you to reach out to a lawyer, e g the non profit
| Whistleblower Aid.
| snowpid wrote:
| Can you explain why an American agency would care about
| violated EU laws?
| zrm wrote:
| "Everything is securities fraud." -Matt Levine
| ale42 wrote:
| MS is a publicly traded company. If the company exposes
| itself to a potential huge fine by wrongdoing on one of their
| markets, that's totally something the SEC can be interested
| in.
| snowpid wrote:
| is there some cases where that happenend? American public
| company broke non - American law and the SEC intervened?
| zoobab wrote:
| Victims of GDPR violations can't get any compensation in
| Europe.
|
| If the US pass a GDPR-like legislation, try to get monetary
| damages and make it a business for lawyers, because in Europe
| the money goes into the public coffers.
| red_admiral wrote:
| I hear that members of the Inner Party will be able to turn it
| off for short periods.
|
| In practice, some White Hat will find a way to disable this (yes,
| even if it's running locally).
| onhacker wrote:
| One easy way is to watch windows services and disable what you
| dislike
| Havoc wrote:
| At that stage you may as well install Linux. There is now so
| much hostile stuff in windows that stripping it out is making
| less and less sense
| daemin wrote:
| Realistically for using Windows there will be three scenarios:
|
| 1) You like all of this "AI" "stuff" and you use the newest
| version of the Windows Operating System.
|
| 2) You just want an Operating System that works so you continue
| to use Windows 10.
|
| 3) You use Windows within a corporate environment where the
| Security and IT teams neuter it with Domain settings to disable
| most of these "AI" "features".
| t-writescode wrote:
| > 2) You just want an Operating System that works so you
| continue to use Windows 10.
|
| Until Oct 14, 2025: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-
| us/lifecycle/products/windows...
| daemin wrote:
| You can still use Windows 10 after that date, it's not like
| it will uninstall itself and shutdown right then and there.
|
| If you felt so inclined you can also pay Microsoft for
| support after that date.
|
| Or Microsoft might also extend support based on public
| demand, given that Windows 10 still beats Windows 11 in
| install base.
| Sebb767 wrote:
| > Or Microsoft might also extend support based on public
| demand, given that Windows 10 still beats Windows 11 in
| install base.
|
| There was a time when this was true of Windows 7 and we all
| know how that went down.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| > _You can still use Windows 10 after that date, it 's not
| like it will uninstall itself and shutdown right then and
| there._
|
| Don't give anyone any ideas.
| thalassophobia wrote:
| You can use MAS to extend that time to 2032.
| kkoncevicius wrote:
| love the separate quotes for "AI" and "features"
| CaptainFever wrote:
| Is there an open source version of this? I think it would be cool
| to have this as long as it's under my control/run locally.
| onhacker wrote:
| I'm in favour of allowing LLMs to be trained on public data but
| Remember PC is a Personal Computer.
|
| Definitely screenshots will be seen by team who will label the
| data for further LLMs training/fine-tuning.
| Havoc wrote:
| AI, telemetry, forced online accounts, full recording and
| Microsoft owning an ad business.
|
| ...what could possibly go wrong
| enricotr wrote:
| Password recovery questions that are all personal informations
| :D
| nottorp wrote:
| Ok, besides the privacy/permission aspect...
|
| Where do they store all this data on my local PC? Some news items
| mention screenshots every couple seconds, for example.
|
| Will you be forced to pay for extra storage for a feature you
| don't want or need?
|
| Will Microsoft send me an extra SSD on their dime on request? :)
| xyzal wrote:
| Recall from some cloud service I bet
| usrbinbash wrote:
| Gentle reminder:
|
| https://www.inc.com/kit-eaton/why-a-former-white-house-cyber...
| iamacyborg wrote:
| This actually seems like something that could be hugely useful,
| assuming the model can be run and stored entirely locally.
| spaceman_2020 wrote:
| In the movie Idiocracy, a lot of people end their sentences with
| a sponsor statement - "brought to you by Carl's Jr"
|
| I predict a near future where AI agents will do the same.
| Aeolun wrote:
| I should rewatch that. The last time I did it was funny. I
| wonder how much like a prophecy it'll seem now.
| cjk2 wrote:
| I watched it again recently. It just made be sad.
| wigster wrote:
| my browser is gonna need amnesiac mode to go with incognito
| hwbunny wrote:
| Feed more money to giant corps. Yes, feed them, that's the way
| forward. Buy their services, use their products.
| zoobab wrote:
| 1984 was not supposed to be a manual for training AI.
| whoitwas wrote:
| Maybe they could focus on the OS basics first instead of packing
| features no one will use. Windows still can't position windows
| well and loses useful features by the day.
| cess11 wrote:
| I look forward to seeing how this will be received by the malware
| community.
| senectus1 wrote:
| yeah nah thanks.
|
| I've already swapped to Fedora, a few more other projects and
| I'll start on the kids and wife's machines.
|
| The only windows devices left will be corporate devices.
| anonzzzies wrote:
| Did they manage to make OS control work? They have an open source
| bot controlled desktop automation, but last I tried it was crap.
| First who gets that working reliably wins imho.
| _heimdall wrote:
| I wonder if this one will get slapped down as monopolistic
| behavior. I don't expect Microsoft will open up OS-level usage
| tracking to third parties, at which point they can provide this
| AI feature that no one else can _only_ because they own the OS
| too.
| nercury wrote:
| Anything you say or do will be used against you by any future
| government. What's legal now, might not be legal tomorrow, and
| you will be jugged by your AI "friend". Welcome to dystopia.
| enricotr wrote:
| A good and legal solution to uninstall all the crap can be
| AtlasOS project. I use it when I must test crossbuilds to windows
| and it does his job. Better than Win7 in a good way.
| qwery wrote:
| > its new PCs
|
| Whose new PCs?
|
| How they probably intended it: Microsoft-supplied PCs (as the
| vendor of the operating system and/or hardware)
|
| The snarky second meaning: Microsoft literally owns the PCs (a PC
| running Windows/Copilot is Microsoft's property)
|
| My preferred interpretation: The new PCs belong to the AI
| chatbot. The fact that the chatbot has access to everything you
| do on its new PC is unsurprising.
| infinita740 wrote:
| This look very similar to a (mac only?) product that was
| discussed on HN a few years ago: https://www.rewind.ai/
|
| Discussion at the time (featuring very similar privacy concerns):
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33421751
| pjmlp wrote:
| This is definitly something that will keep me away from these new
| PCs, until my breaks down, or I am forced into them at work.
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