[HN Gopher] Noi: an AI-enhanced, customizable browser
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Noi: an AI-enhanced, customizable browser
Author : Bluestein
Score : 40 points
Date : 2024-05-18 15:44 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (github.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
| meiraleal wrote:
| Interesting. I was just thinking about a wallet-like app or
| extension for AI to hold my API keys and
| interactions/conversations. I think that might be something in
| the future.
| Bluestein wrote:
| Go for it. It sounds like a tangible, workable idea.-
| passion__desire wrote:
| Do you think in future we would have AI based browsers with
| fluidic UIs to make everything simple for the user. Websites
| or backend would then provide hints for the fluid UI flows
| with pre-made flows to select from. Could be the next
| iteration for browsers. Instead of Dom we would have AI based
| Dom.
| Bluestein wrote:
| It sounds cool and horrible at the same time ...
|
| I think some sort of AI use is virtually unavoidable in
| UX/UI testing ...
|
| AI-based-DOM sounds like an oxymoron ...
|
| ... perhaps only my bias, which considers everything AI to
| be unstructured, which is clearly wrong.-
| drakenot wrote:
| Are there any LLM products yet that can navigate websites for you
| ?
|
| Or perform operations on your local computer?
| rbren wrote:
| We've got some experts on browsing agents working w/ us on
| OpenDevin: https://github.com/opendevin/opendevin
|
| For local automation, you might be interested in
| https://github.com/OpenInterpreter/open-interpreter
|
| Still early days for both though.
| rboyd wrote:
| LaVague https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39698546
|
| skyvern https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39700013
| gavmor wrote:
| TaxyAI[0] is not totally useless. Here's my fork using Ollama
| locally.[1]
|
| 0. https://github.com/TaxyAI/browser-extension
|
| 1. https://github.com/gavmor/browser-automation
|
| 1.
| behnamoh wrote:
| I might sound shallow or incognizant for saying this, but any
| time I see traces of Chinese in a product, my radars alert "Stay
| away from this." Maybe it's because of the constant worry about
| them spying on western users. And maybe it's because I am not
| exposed to high quality software from that part of the world yet.
|
| I see this a lot in LLMs too. So many Chinese companies trying to
| game the benchmarks to show higher in the leaderboards without
| the fear of any backlash. Is it really a skewed perception of how
| software works in China, or is it really the case that their
| culture encourages finding shortcuts to success at all costs?
| Bluestein wrote:
| I must confess that is my first instinct as well.-
|
| I guess - where posssible - careful code review is one's friend
| ...
|
| (But, point taken).-
| fabrice_d wrote:
| You really need to think about your biases. I've worked with
| teams (devs & non-devs) from China for years and I did not find
| them different from "western" ones. Some people will do stellar
| work, some will try to find short-circuits and lie to your
| face.
|
| The culture is absolutely different, so it may take time to
| recognize behavorial patterns in one way or the other - as a
| European working in the US, it also took me some time to figure
| out the "US way" of working.
| Kwpolska wrote:
| Chinese coworkers with code review and visibility are more
| trustworthy than Chinese open-source developers.
| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| It's because you are brainwashed and you cannot think for
| yourself.
|
| If you're worry is the Chinese spying on you, you can look at
| the code and double check. Furthermore the US govt spies on us
| on a massive scale as Snowden showed us.
|
| Second when it comes to software quality they started much
| later than us but our culture has as much finding shortcuts to
| success as theirs.
|
| Case in point: open AI killing off the team to make AI stuff to
| make a quick profit. Stealing copyrighted work on a massive
| scale to train llms.
|
| So get off your high horse. Stop trying to hide your dumbness
| (lack of critical thinking) behind an intellectual sounding
| comment.
| gwerbret wrote:
| I see you've been on HN more than long enough to know all of
| what was wrong with your response to GP's comment.
| mihaic wrote:
| > you can look at the code and double check
|
| Can you honestly say that when a few months ago someone was
| trying to put a security hole in OpenSSH by making changes
| that looked harmless to an archiving tool (the xz backdoor)?
|
| Your response is such textbook propaganda, instantly riffing
| into whataboutism with US surveillance, that I actually had
| to wonder if you had a real profile.
|
| I then did see that you have actual posts, but imagine if I'd
| have to investigate the profile of absolutely every commenter
| I read. Isn't that practically impossible to do? And isn't
| auditing the source code of absolutely every project you use
| a few times harder than that?
| meiraleal wrote:
| I think you are conflating "american" users with western users.
| Most users around the world are aware of Americans intentions,
| not chinese. Only Americans think Chinese products are a
| problem and you guys are investing billions on making this a
| world sentiment. Without much success.
|
| tldr: Americans are afraid of Chinese people possibly spying on
| them, the world hates Americans real world-wide espionage
| system.
| OKRainbowKid wrote:
| I'm not from the US and I'm wary of both. The US is
| geopolitically aligned much closer to the EU, which is why
| I'm much more cautious about potential involvement of the
| Chinese government compared to the US.
| usernamed7 wrote:
| It's not shallow, it's well documented across the internet and
| in their behavior with everything they do.
|
| China is the land of shortcuts and facades. It's part of their
| culture. See: gutter oil, washing veggies in the toilet,
| concrete infrastructure with no reinforcement, etc. Even when
| they respond to natural disasters: it's not to help citizens
| but pose for pictures to show them helping then bouncing.
|
| Chinese people don't even trust other Chinese to sell them
| things: so companies often bring in foreigners to sell Chinese
| products to china.
|
| China is VERY CLEAR in who they are, and they show no attempts
| to be otherwise.
| pessimizer wrote:
| I'm sure some people think your country is full of lazy,
| smelly thieves, too.
| Kwpolska wrote:
| Is it really AI-enhanced, or is it just a handful of features for
| AI interaction (like a snippet repository for "prompts" or
| sending the same query to multiple chat pages) invented by
| someone who does not have the resources to do their own AI but
| really wants to get in on the hype? Either way, seems like a bad
| and overhyped idea for a browser.
| echelon wrote:
| I don't want an AI browser, per se. I want an AI agent that
| slips into every pane of glass the platform companies own
| (Chrome, iOS, Windows) and works for me against the advertisers
| and attention stealers.
|
| I want an advocate that detects and nukes advertisements. That
| filters clickbait and rage content. Something easy enough that
| everyone can install, so we can all be collectively free of
| this nonsense no matter what tech stack we use.
|
| Imagine if AI became the ultimate anti-advertising, attention-
| preserving, sanity-defending weapon.
|
| "No Google, you're not allowed to advertise to my person." Or,
| "these comments are toxic drama, so let's not expose our human
| to them."
|
| This would be a great new technological era.
| ben_w wrote:
| Mm. Turn the web back into something you could read on a
| command line, turn social media back into what I remember IRC
| being 20 years ago.
| rationalfaith wrote:
| This looks interesting but 4.2k stars for a js app that shows
| readily available LLMs is fishy.....
|
| I mean it's nothing ground breaking. I guess the AI bubble is
| real :)
| tananaev wrote:
| NoI(ntelligence). Sounds like a good name for something that
| explicitly doesn't have any AI bs
| xwowsersx wrote:
| I tried installing and running the arm64 macOS app and received
| the following error:
|
| > "Noi.app" is damaged and can't be opened. You should eject the
| disk image.
| hexagonwin wrote:
| They explicitly mention that in the readme, its an apple
| security measure and you need to run that xattr command.
| acheong08 wrote:
| What a disingenuous error message. I like Apple's approach to
| TCC/permissions but this is quite obviously profit driven and
| intended to drive developers to the App Store with all the
| associated fees
| Rodeoclash wrote:
| Yep, and Microsoft does exactly the same thing. I have an
| open source video review tool for esports teams that I give
| away. On both Windows and Apple I'm expected to pay a
| yearly tax (~$200 on Windows from memory) to distribute my
| software on that platform. The owners of these platforms
| make no allowance for open source authors to distribute
| without that fee.
|
| This is done in the name of "security", as if malware
| authors couldn't afford to pay it.
| Aloisius wrote:
| > as if malware authors couldn't afford to pay it.
|
| I think it's the identity verification bit that's
| dissuades malware authors, not the cost. Having your
| malware linked to your name and address isn't something
| most malware distributors want.
|
| Nonprofit orgs and schools can get free dev accounts (at
| least for Apple), so for some open source projects
| distributed by one of the open source nonprofits, it is
| free.
| crooked-v wrote:
| But what are they doing that's requiring going through
| settings/xattr, when every other direct download app I've
| used has worked fine with the right click -> Open to suppress
| the default error about signing?
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