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We are removing 'years of experience' as a requirement for jobs at
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Author : cnkk
Score : 14 points
Date : 2024-05-17 11:04 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| belter wrote:
| > I believe the most capable person for any position isn't
| necessarily the person with the most amount of experience.
|
| Looking forward to see this applied to Doctors, Engineers,
| Pilots, Anesthesiologists, Teachers, Surgeons, Architects,
| Financial Analysts, Air Traffic Controllers, Dentists and Lawyers
| :-))
| DarkUranium wrote:
| Fun fact:
|
| I find that, at least with dentists, the quality seems to be an
| _inverse_ function of their experience.
|
| I've gone through a lot of dentists recently (long story, but
| nothing to do with quality of dental work), and I've
| consistently found that the younger/"inexperienced" dentists
| use more modern/advanced[^1] techniques, whereas the older ones
| tend to favor sticking to what they learned in a medical school
| years ago, plus an occasional conference or such. As opposed
| their very foundation being based on more up-to-date knowledge.
|
| [^1] Unlike in software, this often translates to "better", at
| least from my experience as a patient.
|
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| Apparently this is somewhat of a problem in computer science
| for 50-something year olds, where one can sometimes find it
| hard to find a job. Companies prefer younger, more "malleable"
| candidates.
|
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|
| There is also the general fact of life that experience often
| brings hubris & arrogance. This is definitely _not_ always
| true, but it 's another case where more experience is actually
| worse.
| belter wrote:
| Would argue your examples are: "the exception that confirms
| the rule..."
| more_corn wrote:
| I don't have a dog in this fight. (There are benefits of
| experience and also benefits of fresh ideas) but in no way
| does the parent comment prove the reverse of what they're
| arguing. It is not an example of an exception proving the
| rule.
| hi-v-rocknroll wrote:
| Dentists near the end of their careers tend to be very
| honest and less interested in unnecessary upcharges.
| mikestew wrote:
| Anecdata ahead: I'm about to leave a dentist after 15
| years because I feel more and more like a cow with
| insurance payout for udders. She used to be good, but now
| seems like she's just making sure there is not a penny of
| insurance money left at the end of the year. Still got
| $50 left? Hey, how about some fluoride goo before you go,
| because "insurance pays for it".
| pixelready wrote:
| One thing to consider if there is a shift in this
| behavior at a small independent practice you use (like
| dentist or veterinarian offices) is the aggressive
| acquisition of these firms by private equity over the
| last few years. Oftentimes the owners / partners get a
| huge payout and stay on as the face of the practice while
| taking marching orders from the new owners to maximize
| profit over quality of care. This acquisition is often
| invisible to patients / customers except insofar as
| quality of care declines, people at the office seem more
| stressed out, and more procedures get ordered that you
| don't have the expertise to assess the need for.
| hi-v-rocknroll wrote:
| I'm wondering if a similar progression is happening with
| MDs. OneMedical <-> Amazon (corporate rather than PE),
| for example. Current provider was solo, then went to
| OneMedical, and now is an Amazon employee (indirectly).
| hi-v-rocknroll wrote:
| Familiarity breeds contempt. 3rd to last DDS drilled a
| cavity freehand in like 5 minutes without being all that
| careful. Seemed like it was maximizing the number of
| procedures while minimizing the amount of care and time
| spent.
| nebula8804 wrote:
| The following is anecdotal but I have to mirror your
| observation.
|
| I've seen both sides of the coin where a son followed in his
| father's footsteps. The Father was an old stodgy pain in the
| ass with ancient practices.
|
| The son opened his own practice with modern offices, a lot of
| software based systems both for office work and patient care.
|
| The son was decent and the technology helped but the best
| dentist ive had was another super old dentist who ended up
| adopting some of the tech while also being an absolute
| magician in his work due to his experience. His ability to
| ascertain edge cases from things such a cavity xray really
| made him a top tier dentist. Thats something tech cannot
| always make up for. Its raw intuition from years of
| experience. It was a heartbreaking event when he decided to
| retire. :/
|
| There is a good argument to be had for younger dentist
| adopting new technology and learning the latest skills but it
| isn't always a perfect fit.
|
| The best dentist seems like the old person open to new
| ideas(in my experience).
| climb_stealth wrote:
| I always imagine that people working in dentistry end up
| getting incredibly jaded. There's only so much neglect of
| basic personal care that anyone can face. Over and over
| again. And people don't listen to the recommendations because
| it is all going to be fixed by the dentist.
|
| The younger dental professionals I have come across tend to
| have real passion and make me go "oh wow, they are really
| into this and inspiring!". Which seems to wear off over time.
| Maybe it's just me projecting from what it's like to work
| with computers because it certainly feels familiar.
| matwood wrote:
| What do they call the person who graduated last in their class
| from medical school? Doctor.
|
| Experience and credentials are only a small part of determining
| if someone is good at a job.
| adamredwoods wrote:
| >> I believe the most capable person for any position isn't
| necessarily the person with the most amount of experience. Great
| companies are built by people with drive and intensity, not by
| people with years of experience doing the same thing.
|
| Hiring should be based on soft guidelines, not hard lines of
| gatekeeping. I'm glad some companies are aware of this.
|
| But to state you want people with "drive and intensity" can
| potentially lead to people with large egos, conflict of goals,
| and unrealistic expectation of others (which can cause burnout).
| In worst-case scenarios they get promoted using this "drive"
| combined with contrived outcomes and over-inflated results. Be
| prepared for this.
|
| I also wonder, when companies post these mandates, if they are
| looking for 10x workers, because they need a big win, quickly,
| for cheap.
| jonfw wrote:
| Who doesn't want a big win, quickly, for cheap?
| nytesky wrote:
| Is this terribly surprising, I thought the real problem was
| having too many years of experience, ie ageism?
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