[HN Gopher] Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China'...
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Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene
Author : palingvel
Score : 147 points
Date : 2024-05-16 14:15 UTC (1 days ago)
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| saagarjha wrote:
| So is this like the Chinese Hacker News, or what?
| yorwba wrote:
| More like Bluesky in the sense that it's a niche app popular
| among parts of the "tech scene," in particular the un-HN-like
| parts.
|
| I don't think there's a direct Chinese equivalent to Hacker
| News, but https://v2ex.com/?tab=all might come closest.
| DeathArrow wrote:
| >the un-HN-like parts
|
| What do you mean by "un-HN-like parts"?
| imp0cat wrote:
| The parts that would not use Bluesky I guess.
| throwaway4good wrote:
| I believe the site is:
|
| http://okjike.com/
|
| (?)
|
| I tried signing up - couldn't get pass the sms verification - I
| am in some European country.
| 123yawaworht456 wrote:
| god, even the chinese use that atrocious art style now.
|
| owari da
| imp0cat wrote:
| Not a fan of Corporate Memphis? ;)
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Memphis
|
| But yeah, that was my first thought as well. :(
| oersted wrote:
| The wiki article says that the term originated in Are.na.
|
| Didn't know about it, looks like a great smolweb concept!
|
| https://www.are.na/
| phantomathkg wrote:
| Assuming you OK with their privacy statement? https://post-
| okjike-com.translate.goog/jike-privacy/?_x_tr_s...
| hifromwork wrote:
| Is there anything offending in there? I've skimmed it and it
| looks like most privacy statements I've seen recently.
| writeslowly wrote:
| I made it through with my american phone number. I went through
| the apple account flow on the app instead of the website
| though.
| instagraham wrote:
| Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion
| forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the
| learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would
| you ensure high quality?
| all2 wrote:
| Buy a clone of dang. Or several.
| baxtr wrote:
| This might be easier today than before with the help of AI.
| DeathArrow wrote:
| Get OpenDang from Github and run it locally.
| DenisM wrote:
| Well, you jest, but what if we could create an LLM that
| follows dang behavior? He's pretty low-touch on substance
| and mostly moderates style. An LLM should be able to copy
| that. If I didn't have to work for a living I might pursue
| that, that would be a huge benefit to humanity.
| close04 wrote:
| This is missing the elephant in the room that HN is not _the_
| (or maybe even _a_ ) money bringer for YCombinator. Were this
| the golden goose for a publicly traded company, the decision
| process could quickly shift to "make me money or GTFO".
|
| Being a "benevolent dictator" moderator is the ideal model:
| you have clear values, a clear strategy, an overview over
| everything, and the unbridled power to execute. Benevolent
| dictatorships don't scale the moment you need more than
| exactly one such benevolent dictator. dang's clone will have
| all I mentioned above except probably slightly different of
| everything and now exactly half of the power to execute. And
| that's where it gets close to impossible to exercise the
| "correct" and desired level of power to support the
| individual values, overview, strategy.
|
| When you need 1000 moderators it becomes a crapshoot if the
| moderation _you_ get is any good. And the community is only
| as good as the worst mods and users that are allowed in it.
| richardw wrote:
| I'd say HN has generated them a huge amount of money. It's
| a massive center of high quality tech discussion and HN
| posts have priority. Every other investment company would
| kill to own and run HN.
|
| What's the value? Try set up a competitor and guess at how
| much it'll cost to get all the seriously top shelf users on
| there.
| langsoul-com wrote:
| A ton of moderators
| snowpid wrote:
| yes. On military topics r/credibleDefence is its own value
| but it also heavely moderated.
|
| Good social media needs good moderation.
| DeathArrow wrote:
| Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to
| follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing
| various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker
| news and reddit combined.
| holoduke wrote:
| No it attracts certain kind of people. Which in result
| degrade the level of discussions. It is near perfect as it is
| right now
| Etheryte wrote:
| HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself.
| It does one thing and does it well, not having the same
| features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.
| Semaphor wrote:
| It's also why old reddit is still mostly great, because it
| also lacks those "features".
| aurareturn wrote:
| I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns
| away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users.
|
| Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns
| into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and
| trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.
| the_duke wrote:
| Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality
| in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg:
| r/askhistorians or r/politics. No idea how the situation
| is nowadays, I haven't really been on there in years.
|
| But that requires a lot of effort from the moderators.
| aurareturn wrote:
| Yes, I've seen some. The aggressive moderation does turn
| casuals away and caps the growth of the subreddit though.
| colmvp wrote:
| Aggressive moderation can be very toxic. The /r/toronto
| and /r/askTO subreddits are modded by essentially the
| same people. They remove comments/posts without
| explanation as to what rules were broken, and then when
| you critique them in the comments surprise, surprise,
| they remove them too!
| gruez wrote:
| >Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality
| in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: [...]
| r/politics
|
| not sure if serious.
| bxksnche wrote:
| To me the No. 1 reason HN is successful is that it
| doesn't have to monetise its users.
|
| This leads to much stronger alignment of incentives
| between users and the owners of the platform.
|
| That's not to say it's not valuable to YC. It provides
| them with very good marketing to a core demographic they
| are trying to market to.
|
| Kinda like sports teams run by petro states.
|
| For social media platforms it means that HN's existence
| isn't driven by the need to grow [1], leading to a focus
| on quality. Hackernews does this using the HN guidelines,
| which are rigorously enforced.
|
| [1] insert graphic comparing HN growth vs other social
| media
| vundercind wrote:
| It does monetize them (us). It's an advertising platform,
| just one with a very narrow set of clients (companies
| ycombinator invests in)
|
| What it isn't, is dependent on an _ad marketplace_. It's
| more like a industry digest published by an investment
| firm active in that industry.
| eimrine wrote:
| Something inevitable bad happens to those forums who make
| exposing pictures easy. Also applicable to IM.
| _spl wrote:
| HN feels like email groups. Lots of useful discussions
| but isn't very accessible to a younger audience.
| teitoklien wrote:
| I'm 21, have been following HN since I was 18, from Asia.
|
| HN is perfectly accessible for younger folks, if you make
| it more accessible for casual unserious people, you'll
| start getting more and more casual and unserious
| conversation.
|
| The UI is a good filter to remove folks who need hipster
| UI to just use a platform.
|
| HN is fine.
| sofixa wrote:
| There is hipster UI, and there's not handling pagination,
| having buttons bordering on the unusable on mobile,
| commenting requiring a new page to be opened, etc.
| ineedaj0b wrote:
| i complained of this but finally bought a larger phone
| and it fixed most of my complaints. i was using an iphone
| 4 till last year
| chii wrote:
| > I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit.
|
| depends on what you mean by accessible - i assume you
| don't mean accessibility (for blind/disabled people), but
| ease of access.
|
| HN is way more easily accessed by someone. You are not
| nagged by a dialog to get you to download the mobile app.
| HN has way less clutter in their UX (even compared to
| old.reddit.com). HN has fewer call to action in the UX to
| do things like submit, vote etc.
| lukas099 wrote:
| I think they mean that the content is less accessible, as
| in having less mass appeal
| azemetre wrote:
| That's not a real issue tho. Like ever imo.
|
| Niche content will yield niche audiences. As long as you
| have thoughtful consistent interaction between at least
| two people that is what matters.
| silisili wrote:
| I think it's better than Reddit because it doesn't allow
| user moderators. That is the downfall of Reddit, as it
| ultimately turned it into a site where only certain
| viewpoints are allowed. Downvoting doesn't even matter,
| they just ban dissenters anymore. This is apt to happen
| with any user moderated site.
|
| The other factor is that the mod(s) here are excellent and,
| and I rarely say this, rather neutral. No, it doesn't mean
| I agree with them, dang has knocked me in the head a few
| times over the years, but meaning I get to see both sides
| of arguments uncensored, so long as respectful and
| interesting. Really rare experience here, and I fear for
| the day dang leaves.
| redserk wrote:
| This isn't a reasonable critique of the unpaid moderation
| model -- the same model we've had since long before
| Reddit.
|
| Reddit has had several notable high quality subreddits
| entirely because of user moderation, and is able to host
| niche interest communities.
|
| I can't think of a realistic business justification for a
| paid moderator to curate forums for some of my incredibly
| niche hobbies. These were formerly hosted on different
| phpBB boards, which were also moderated by unpaid
| volunteers. As a bonus, generally one or two of them
| actually had to pay to host the forum.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| > I can't think of a realistic business justification for
| a paid moderator to curate forums for some of my
| incredibly niche hobbies.
|
| meh. I 'member the old phpBB etc. days... it was decent,
| but once Metasploit and Shodan entered the scene and you
| could buy DDoS attacks for cheap on the "darknet", the
| workload got so much harder for operators. Not staying up
| to date on patches? Your server got pwned in days if not
| hours - or in the worst case, you'd get someone trying
| out their newly discovered 0day, and there were _lots_ of
| these in phpBBs code base. Some troll and /or pissed off
| user deciding to spend 10$ on a DDoS attack? You got
| yourself days of fighting cat-and-mouse to keep your
| server up. And that's before you got into the legally
| nasty stuff such as people using your board (or your
| server) to store warez or CSAM, and before "concerned
| parent" and anti-sex work troll groups made waves
| panicking about groomers, prostitution and drugs and got
| incredibly dumb regulations passed, not to mention the
| newest batch of anti-terror legislation requiring 24h
| response time throughout the year.
|
| Moderation essentially became a full day job even for
| small communities and carried significant legal risk,
| which led many small boards to close shop because a bit
| of swag, events and occasional donations didn't cover the
| expenses by far. Reddit in contrast deals with CSAM, DMCA
| and DDoS stuff paid for by advertising and VC money, so
| unless you're a corp sub, you don't need paid mods just
| to keep the lights on.
|
| > These were formerly hosted on different phpBB boards,
| which were also moderated by unpaid volunteers. As a
| bonus, generally one or two of them actually had to pay
| to host the forum.
|
| Being hosted on a bunch of different boards also meant
| that the influx of "junk users" was waaaay lower. You had
| to discover it in the first place, usually by word of
| mouth, so organized trolls just looking for fights didn't
| even stumble upon them.
|
| Subreddits in contrast? They get recommended by Reddit
| these days, right on the frontpage of billions of users.
| It's on the one side awesome for new niche subreddits,
| but on the other side it is an insane challenge for the
| mods of smaller subs to keep up. Once a sub gets
| recommended to users, work explodes, alone from the
| countless onlyfans spammers.
| ineedaj0b wrote:
| I didn't see good moderation anywhere on reddit. From
| 2012-2023, nothing close to dang and I'm being generous
| with my criteria for moderation. Okayish for 'free'
| perhaps
| gsuuon wrote:
| I'd actually really love the ability to follow just the
| 'Show HN's of a particular user, for those who consistently
| post interesting projects. It would at least lessen the
| FOMO causing me to check HN a little too often.
| vundercind wrote:
| I'd at least like to be able to choose colors for
| posters, and auto-collapse some. There are a few very-
| active posters who basically never post anything aside
| from confident but poorly-informed flamebait on a wide
| range of topics (but "HN nice" enough that they don't get
| moderated for it, though their threads often get nasty).
| Making it easier to spot and ignore them would solve
| _most_ of my problems with HN's comment section.
|
| [edit] and, flip-side, there are some I'd like to easily
| be able to spot in large threads, because they're
| consistently good.
| supriyo-biswas wrote:
| There are a few users like this, but the best way is to
| bring these to the attention of moderators and leave it
| at that.
|
| For a list of good commenters, consider using
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17717598
| informal007 wrote:
| HN focus on the quality of content and underestimate the
| concept of user compared to reddit, I think that's why HN
| don't open the feature to follow, chat between user.
|
| Quality ofcontent is the key of platform.
| nirui wrote:
| > Hard to follow someone, hard to chat
|
| Maybe that's one reason why you have such great quality time
| here.
|
| I think the problem about social medias is that people have
| flaws, and social medias puts a great focus on individual
| people, exposing their good side as well as flawed side. But,
| most people are not well-trained to handle such level of
| influence (including being influenced as well as to influence
| the others), and don't clearly know the power/stress such
| influence might hold (one misstep, the whole thing can crash
| to hell).
|
| Also, people change. One day you believe one thing, then the
| next day you believe something completely different. But if
| your follower follows you exactly because you are advocating
| one belief, wouldn't that in turn encourages you to lock
| yourself out from all other beliefs (and risk become more
| extreme in the process)?
|
| Hacker News puts the material itself in the focus of
| discussion, rather than who posted it. Which in my opinion,
| is better, at least most the time.
| DenisM wrote:
| Yes, but... there were a half-dozen people here whose
| comments I alway enjoyed for the deep and nuanced
| perspective. I haven't seen them in a few years now, sadly.
|
| Maybe some light-touch people focus would be a nice
| compromise. Like, highlight the discussion where _my_
| favorite people participate? That could avoid the bandwagon
| effect. I dunno, maybe not.
| supriyo-biswas wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17717598
| BiteCode_dev wrote:
| Indeed, having focus on content instead of people make
| things much more civil organically.
| washadjeffmad wrote:
| In truth, I've noticed Reddit refugees here who think
| they're community cops, and it's distracting enough that
| it's decreased my enjoyment of discussion.
|
| Because they don't discuss. They downvote to disagree, they
| don't reply, and they karma farm like that gives them
| street cred to be miserable. It's like they're not even
| people outside of their accounts.
| nicolas_t wrote:
| I wish there was a notification for replies to comments I
| made. I feel that some conversations could be continued if
| such a feature existed.
| DenisM wrote:
| It kinda went the other way - HN has a calming feature that
| prevents you from quickly replying to a comment on your
| comment. That was clearly on purpose.
| Zandikar wrote:
| > Hard to follow someone
|
| IMO: Good. The harder it is to shout "look at _ME_ " for
| clout and profit, the more productive and on topic the
| discourse tends to be, and the easier it is for moderation to
| weed out the trolls and off topic/hateful/spammy discussion.
| The fact that this place isn't about who any one given poster
| is, but what they have to say, is part of what makes it such
| a vibrant and valuable and informative place to have
| discussions.
|
| > hard to form groups discussing various topics
|
| Why is this necessary when various topics tend to get
| substantial discussion already? Sure, some more than others,
| but that activity tends to form a rather organic filter
| without facilitating echo chambers and mob mentality that
| tends to emerge when you start erecting walled gardens. Sure,
| that still happens to an extent, but much less than on say
| reddit or twitter.
|
| I fail to see how making this more like platforms succumbing
| to the enshittification of the internet is a path to
| improvement here.
| amadeuspagel wrote:
| A paid, full-time moderator.
| thinkingtoilet wrote:
| As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High
| quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of
| this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful
| place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into
| memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally
| fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a
| given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest in it. It
| doesn't just happen. The good news is that it's self
| reinforcing. Once you have something good, people start
| policing themselves and others. This can go overboard of
| course, but it can be a good a really good thing. I often see
| comments here along the lines of, "comments like this are not
| welcome here".
| symlinkk wrote:
| Moderation kills discussion. Hacker News and 4chan are
| lightly moderated and that's why they've survived for a
| decade plus.
| bobthepanda wrote:
| HN _looks_ lightly moderated but there is a reason why the
| front page is not full of the latest and greatest political
| flamewar stuff like all the other media sites.
| krapp wrote:
| Hacker News is one of the most aggressively moderated
| forums on the web, what are you talking about?
| ineedaj0b wrote:
| i think the overton window is quite large for ideas you
| can discuss on hn unlike reddit. you can go anywhere
| really but if your bot-ing or selling something you get
| swatted. also overtly political takes get nuked but it's
| both sides
| krapp wrote:
| You can't even make a joke on HN without an entire
| subthread being created to chastise you for it. Most
| political stories get flagged by default because they
| tend to degenerate into flamewars, to say nothing of any
| subject even tangentially related to race, gender,
| religion, physics or medicine, when the bigots and cranks
| come out of their crawlspaces. And plenty of people flag
| any non "technical" subject because they believe
| (erroneously) that HN is only for programming, CS and
| startups.
|
| And God forbid javascript runs on the site hosting TFA,
| or it's behind a paywall, or it has too much whitespace
| or uses the wrong font or margins or there's a typo.
| Because if so, that is now the entire topic of
| conversation.
|
| Compared to _the entirety_ of Reddit, including all of
| the topic-specific, well moderated subs? Hacker News is
| unfortunately a dismal place to discuss most topics.
| xeromal wrote:
| It really can work both ways. r/askscience is notoriously
| heavy handed and an incredible sub.
| BiteCode_dev wrote:
| HN makes it look casual but it has a very active and
| diligent moderation and a whole automated system to detect
| spams, self promotion, hateful comments...
|
| The basic design is on purpose, but the backend doesn't
| match the front.
| swozey wrote:
| I really dislike forums nowadays but I'm part of a /r/$car
| subreddit along with the $carforum.com and there's no
| comparison between using reddit vs the forum for quality data
| and not losing things to the ether.
|
| There are so many subreddits where great posts get lost,
| subreddits that don't allow commenting on old posts, being
| notified when old posts _are_ updated, things like that.
| $Carforum has tags I can follow, just so many QOL features
| that reddit will never implement. You can sort subreddit by
| top, google search for something specific but all of those
| QOL improvements forums have lead to such better growing
| conversations. I guess reddit has flairs now that I think
| about it but I rarely see that used as a search mechanism.
|
| With that said I absolutely hate having to sign up for
| forums. If they don't have a google/apple/whatever auth I can
| use there's a 70%+ chance I'll never make an account. And
| even then it's a consideration because you never know if
| after creating an account with an SSO you'll next be asked 20
| questions, be limited from posting for X amount of time/karma
| (which does happen on reddit but less frequently IME).
|
| Subreddits need .. sub-sub reddits or something similar.
| /r/$car/wheels, /r/$car/engine..
|
| Also, as cliche as it is, I have never had a worse experience
| with moderators than on reddit. I used to be an ircop on
| efnet and none of us were anywhere near as rude and quick to
| assume the worst as my reddit experience.
| gpspake wrote:
| Using a password manager negated the whole signing up thing
| from me and I actually like it better because I'm signing
| up with a site specific email and random password instead
| of using a third party account that they might not support
| or that I might not use in the future. Mostly I just don't
| want my major provider identities associated with
| individual third-party sites. A password manager basically
| provides the same click to login experience without the
| side effects of using SSO.
| swozey wrote:
| Yeah you're not wrong, I use password managers for
| everything. The forums that require an email sign-up are
| typically always the ones with the annoying (to me) sign
| up process where I feel like I'm doing the equivalent of
| putting my resume information in line by line on a job
| application that didn't auto-input it. Age, required.
| Gender, required. Car model and year, required. etc..
| etc.. etc.. Just got old to me after being on a thousand
| car forums over my lifetime.
|
| I couldn't tell you how many birthday messages I get from
| 10-20 year old forums every year.
| ineedaj0b wrote:
| reddit is lame too. it's facebook for millennials.
|
| facebook: boomers posting cringe rightwing/normie (back in
| my day we worked hard!) stuff with occasional wholesome
| bits
|
| reddit: millennials posting cringe leftwing/normie stuff
| (my dog might be gay, am i the asshole? btw i like ukraine)
| with occasional wholesome animal photos
| swozey wrote:
| Instagram is facebook for millennials.
|
| I barely know a single person IRL outside of tech who
| uses reddit and I'm a millennial. Like, they know about
| it, and occassionally reference a post on it but they
| aren't on it anywhere near like my friends on instagram.
| My millennial friends are on instagram 24/7. I might make
| a story once a month and as soon as I post it I have 100+
| people who have looked at it. And I have so many friends
| who post stories every single day. They're on it non-stop
| during any idle time.
|
| Reddit has an atrocious new user experience. That's why
| Digg was so much more popular and reddit was incredibly
| niche until digg died. I didn't use reddit pre-digg-death
| because I had _no_ idea how it worked it looked so
| confusing.
| washadjeffmad wrote:
| Thanks for contributing to the good days on efnet.
|
| I gave up reddit after (although not because) I was banned
| for not riding a mod vigilantism hype train. If you're not
| part of the hive mind, you're really worse than nothing to
| them.
| mhh__ wrote:
| Honestly I think subreddits go bad after about 150k no matter
| what the moderation.
| spoonjim wrote:
| The scale of the moderation required may need more than
| volunteer labor.
| mhh__ wrote:
| Maybe but the population itself becomes retarded past a
| certain point.
|
| All the really really big subreddits are well moderated,
| cordial, etc and nonetheless full of complete philistines
| with no taste.
| throwaway22032 wrote:
| Elitism.
|
| You need to keep the quality of discussion high. That means
| prioritising individuals with critical thinking skills over
| emotional hot takes.
|
| I disagree with political opinions on here a lot of the time,
| but the individuals expressing them are usually at least able
| to articulate logically why they make sense from their vantage
| point.
|
| By contrast, somewhere like Reddit is obviously made up of far
| less inquisitive individuals on average which makes everything
| a "hot take", often using buzzwords.
| langsoul-com wrote:
| Hard to really say what it is beyond a social media platform like
| the rest.
|
| Article spends more time describing how it's like a tech utopia
| than actually saying wtf is happening
| DeathArrow wrote:
| >Unlike most platforms today, Jike does not use in-app ads to
| lure users or algorithms to push content, but encourages active
| engagement through carefully curated topics and in-depth
| discussions across the app.
|
| That's something I would like to take a part in. Unfortunately I
| don't know Mandarin.
| malfist wrote:
| These things are always true while they're trying to gain their
| foot in the door. First comes ad free, then comes users, then
| comes ads
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| Maybe companies will start selling the data to AI training
| operations, and won't need to resort to ads to keep free
| services running.
| sverhagen wrote:
| Amazing that a popular site can be shut down for a year, and then
| come back on top after that, without getting its lunch eaten by
| new competitors that use that whole year to catch up to them.
| informal007 wrote:
| This kind of forum is hard to develop from zero, and it's don't
| have much financial potiential, the roi is low for new
| competitors. I think that's why there is not new competitors
| during this year.
| Animats wrote:
| Asking Google about this site results only in insistent repeats
| of "Did you mean 'joke'"?
| hifromwork wrote:
| Maybe try looking for Ji Ke . But I have good results by just
| googling "jikeapp".
| chaosprint wrote:
| Most people still use WeChat, even for tech news reading. You
| have everything inside WeChat, which is like an OS. Some young
| people also use Hupu(a basketball app and forum but you can also
| discuss other topics).
| yu3zhou4 wrote:
| I have WeChat as a EU user, but I can't post for some reason.
| In Douyin and Weibo it's even worse - I'm unable to create an
| account. Do you know how to overcome it? I rent Hong Kong
| number, but it's not enough to create accounts on those
| platforms.
| WhyNotHugo wrote:
| On iOS, if you download Alipay from the Dutch app store it's
| a different program than the Alipay from the Chinese app
| store. A lot of features require that you download Alipay
| with a Chinese Apple account. I suspect the same applies to
| WeChat (I wish I remembered better).
|
| IIRC, you also need to validate a Chinese phone number for
| some features. None of it is intuitive.
| gpt10o wrote:
| If I'm not mistaken, the largest podcast app in China is also
| made by this company.
| humanlity wrote:
| ye, xiaoyuzhoufm
| deadbabe wrote:
| What's to stop a bunch of westerners from invading this app and
| just posting on it in English?
| jtwaleson wrote:
| Why would they choose to do so?
| pjc50 wrote:
| They'd get banned like any other spammers?
| deadbabe wrote:
| It's not spam
| amadeuspagel wrote:
| What's to stop a bunch of chinese from invading Hacker News and
| just posting on it in Chinese?
| elric wrote:
| If it weren't such an insanely difficult language to learn,
| it might be interesting to be part of Chinese tech
| discussions.
| imp0cat wrote:
| The alphabet may be hard, but grammar is (supposedly) quite
| easy, compared to eg. Japanese.
| nneonneo wrote:
| FWIW, Hacker News itself appears to be blocked by the Great
| Firewall. Techies, of course, will have no problems getting
| through, but I'm genuinely confused as to why it's banned in the
| first place...
| slim wrote:
| subversive narratives under control of foreign power
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