[HN Gopher] Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'
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Selling 'Ghost in the Shell'
Author : zdw
Score : 63 points
Date : 2024-05-06 14:48 UTC (4 days ago)
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| XorNot wrote:
| Ghost In The Shell suffers from really dragging in the middle.
|
| There's a bunch a bunch of sequences which go on just way too
| long for the total amount of plot in the film, and there's a lot
| of missing context for the main character's motivation: we just
| kind of get a couple big exposition dumps, but no real feel for
| who the Major is or why the core conceit of the plot matters to
| her.
|
| The Stand Alone Complex series, conversely, is amazing.
| cjk2 wrote:
| Glad to hear that. I am about to get on the SAC wagon.
| Malcolmlisk wrote:
| I remember enjoying the episodes who were outside of the
| central plot from SAC and SAC2. That episode when they explain
| the past of the sniper character and how he got recruited by
| the major was amazing and I watched it over and over.
| pjc50 wrote:
| Now this is a matter of taste, but I _love_ the slow moments
| where the film just pans over city scenes with no dialogue.
| Just a little time to breathe and look at the art in the middle
| of the action. It 's a film that posits a bunch of questions
| about human vs machine and then declines to answer them in
| favor of letting you think about them.
| nanna wrote:
| I feel like I haven't seen an anime in years that's been in the
| same league as Akira or the great Miyazakis (Spirited Away,
| Princess Mononoke, Totoro). Yes i'd be brutal and include
| Miyazakis following works in that list, from Howls Moving Castle
| to The Boy and the Heron. Ive seen lots of incredible animation,
| sure, but nothing like the cinematic depth.
|
| What am I missing? What should an old fart who's becoming
| convinced things were better in the old days put myself infront
| of?
| cjk2 wrote:
| There is good stuff out there. I watched Pantheon and
| Scavengers Reign recently, both excellent, but not old stable
| anime.
|
| Scavengers Reign: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWQH8cMpWTU
|
| Pantheon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_HJ3TSlo5c
| duggan wrote:
| I'm slowly working my way through Scavengers Reign, it's
| absolutely brilliant -- somewhere between Alien and Stanislaw
| Lem's The Invincible.
| The5thElephant wrote:
| Not enough people know about Pantheon.
|
| However both Scavenger's Reign and Pantheon feel distinctly
| different from Japanese anime. They have a much more Western
| aesthetic eye visually, narratively, and especially in terms
| of music I feel.
| austin-cheney wrote:
| My favorite is Patlabor 2.
|
| Here is the Japanese cultural explainer (spoiler):
| https://youtu.be/ybLKmO5Kq5A?si=bzIEK436EeWF_o5s
| flobosg wrote:
| I haven't watched it yet, but reading this article a while
| ago got me interested:
|
| _' Patlabor 2: The Movie' has stunningly realistic aerial
| combat_ - https://taskandpurpose.com/culture/realistic-
| aerial-combat-m...
| pjc50 wrote:
| I didn't understand why people kept recommending this until I
| spotted that the director is Mamoru Oshii, director of GitS.
| It's perfectly reasonable as a standalone film without having
| seen 1. And it's good in the same ways as GitS; mix of
| action, political thriller, and lingering artistic set piece.
| gbuk2013 wrote:
| This is heavily biased by my preferred genre of anime but here
| are some my favourite more recent anime series off the top of
| my head:
|
| Full metal Alchemist: Brotherhood
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullmetal_Alchemist:_Brother...
|
| Attack on Titan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Titan
|
| Mushishi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushishi
|
| Frieren: Beyond Journey's End
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frieren
| Tor3 wrote:
| Strangely (maybe), but Attack on Titan I can't stand, and I
| didn't care much for any of the Full metal Alchemist ones,
| but Frieren is one of the absolutely best shows I've ever
| watched.
| justinclift wrote:
| > Attack on Titan
|
| Ugh. Such an incredibly padded, dragged out story. :( :( :(
|
| Maybe the first season was decent, but after the 3rd season
| it was mostly just boring to the point where skipping
| episodes didn't miss anything.
|
| Never bothered to watch anything after about the 3rd season.
| It became far too tedious.
|
| ---
|
| Yeah, Frieren was good. It closely matches the manga version
| of the story, though the manga goes on quite lot further
| story wise.
|
| Should be plenty more seasons of material ready for
| adaptation there. :)
| gbuk2013 wrote:
| Still working my way through season 3 so may change my
| mind. :) Any recommendations?
| justinclift wrote:
| Yeah, I wrote a whole list a few comments up (or down).
| You can't miss it. :)
|
| As a quick thought, have you seen Cyberpunk Edgerunners,
| and Made in Abyss?
|
| For stupid fun (mood dependent), then probably One-Punch
| Man:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Punch_Man
|
| It's super famous these days, so you've probably already
| seen it. ;)
|
| Personally, I also really liked "Hai to Gensou no
| Grimgar" due to its focus on character growth rather than
| action:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimgar_of_Fantasy_and_Ash
|
| But, not everyone's a fan.
| gbuk2013 wrote:
| Cyberpunk Edgerunners was good, Made in Abyss was too but
| I have to say it got borderline too depressing for me by
| the end of the last season.
|
| OPM I really can't stand - dropped it just after a few
| episodes. :)
|
| Hai to Gensou no Grimgar had a lot of promise with a
| different take on the common theme, but pity it looks
| like it will not be continued. :(
| justinclift wrote:
| Yeah, that's a fair point. I haven't yet watched the 3rd
| season of Made in Abyss. Have been hesitant to do so due
| to its reputation. ;)
|
| ---
|
| Hai to Gensou no Grimgar has both manga, and light
| novels, that stretch on for many more chapters past the
| anime. The Manga was good and continues on well from the
| anime. After reaching the end of that I picked up the
| light novels to continue on further.
|
| Unfortunately (around novel 13 I think?) the author
| clearly didn't know what to do with the story and it
| turned silly and boring, so I moved on to other stuff. :(
| gbuk2013 wrote:
| Somehow I never got into reading manga, probably a good
| thing too - I checked my MAL stats and I says I have
| watched 330+ shows and I know I have been lazy and not
| rating all of them ...
| justinclift wrote:
| Heh Heh Heh
|
| Since you're not into Manga, this url probably won't be
| of interest then: ;)
|
| https://mangakatana.com/manga/kaiju-no-8.24869/c1
|
| * If you visit it, make sure you have an ad blocker. Too
| many ads otherwise.
|
| * Japanese manga is read from right to left, the opposite
| of western comics. Just saying. :)
| robertlagrant wrote:
| The plot suddenly shoots forward in the 3rd season, from
| memory. The season where they start explaining everything.
| tiniuclx wrote:
| Frieren is a modern classic, with some of the best animation
| I've ever seen & deals with the themes of companionship and
| regret in a surprisingly mature way. It would be my
| recommendation for sure!
| ngc248 wrote:
| Mushishi is so atmospheric and just amazing
|
| Also for some madcap anime FLCL ... that is quintessential
| anime for me.
| justinclift wrote:
| That's definitely a "depends on your taste" thing. :)
|
| [The below are mostly series rather than movies]
|
| For something that's really interesting, and also family
| friendly, Den-noh Coil is really good:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den-noh_Coil
|
| ---
|
| A similar "feel" kind of thing (family friendly) to the above
| is The Orbital Children:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orbital_Children
|
| ---
|
| For stand out story, probably Made in Abyss:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Abyss
|
| Due to the animation style, it looks like a kid/teen focused
| show at first. Don't be fooled, it's _really_ not.
|
| It has some incredibly complex (dark) themes. DON'T let young
| people watch that one (emotional trauma likely!).
|
| ---
|
| If something "a bit different" is on the cards, then Cyberpunk
| Edgerunners is extremely good (I reckon):
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk:_Edgerunners
|
| That's more of a Eastern+Western collaboration styling wise
| rather than pure Japanese anime. It's still a really good watch
| though. :)
|
| ---
|
| Another western style one that's really good is Scavengers
| Reign:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scavengers_Reign
|
| ---
|
| Movies wise, probably Redline (2009) and Belle are the first to
| mind for me:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redline_(2009_film)
|
| Very unique animation style, not everyone's cup of tea. ;)
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_(2021_film)
|
| Also family friendly. :)
| wodenokoto wrote:
| It's hard to understand if you are including Boy and Heron or
| not. If you are, then obviously there are recent master pieces.
|
| But I'd say you are in for a treat: Satoshi Kon.
|
| Perfect Blue, Paprika, Tokyo Godfather are all cinematic master
| pieces!
|
| I also mostly agree with the hype that surrounded "Your Name",
| although I don't think Makoto's other works are nearly as
| impressive.
| lhl wrote:
| Your Name (2016, Makoto Shinkai) and Ping Pong the Animation
| (2014, Masaaki Yuasa) are both IMO top notch (and the creators
| are active and have extensive oeuvres). The Shape of Voice
| (2016, Kyoto Animation (RIP)) was also much acclaimed. Of
| these, I recommend Ping Pong the most (and Yuasa's other works
| as well).
|
| I suppose for more sci-fi/fantasy, Rebuild of Evangelion
| (2007-2021) might be interesting, although to me, its
| popularity in Japan and why the retelling was made is actually
| more interesting to me than the works themselves. It didn't win
| any particular awards or acclaim, but I was a fan of the
| incredibly stylish manga series, and I personally enjoyed the
| Blame! (2017, Hiroyuki Shesita) CGI anime film for those into
| the Japanese post-cyber-apocalypse sci-fi aesthetic.
|
| I think these days, the economics of anime has driven more
| interesting work into series rather than features. Recently
| some memorable ones I've enjoyed are Steins;Gate (2011-2015,
| White Fox), Devilman: Crybaby (2018, Studio SARU), Cyberpunk:
| Edgerunners (2022, Trigger), Pluto (2023, M2), and Frieren
| (2023, Madhouse).
| mauvia wrote:
| Have you tried any of Satoshi Kon's movies?
|
| Tokyo Godfathers is an amazing and deeply human christmas
| comedy about homeless people in the Tokyo streets, filled with
| magical moments of cinematography.
|
| Paprika is a less lighthearted story about inner lives, dreams
| and ambitions set across a sci fi backdrop where people are
| learning to enter each other's dreams and link them together.
| It has gorgeous dreamscapes and an amazing soundtrack as well
| as a fascinating plot and interesting characters.
|
| Thre's also Makoto Shinkai's movies, which have good
| cinematography and interesting themes and soundtrack, as well
| as somewhat interesting characters (though a bit samey). Your
| Name is excellent, with Weathering with You and Suzume being
| good but not great. 5 Centimeters per second is nice as well.
| Children who chase lost voices underground is his most Ghibli
| movie and I'd say it definitely gets the tone and aesthetics
| right for the Nausica/Mononoke era of Ghibli.
|
| On the Ghibli side, I quite enjoyed Studio Ponoc's Modest
| Heroes, which was a collection of shorts by Studio Ponoc (which
| has some Ghibli Veterans in it as well as younger talent I
| believe). Kanini and Kanino has the adventure elements and
| aesthetics, Life ain't gonna lose has the small child PoV
| element, Invisible has the social elements.
| spacechild1 wrote:
| I was just about to recommend Satoshi Kon! Unfortunately, he
| only directed four movies before he died of cancer at the age
| of 47. What a tragic loss!
|
| I also enjoyed "Your Name".
| livueta wrote:
| On Kon, Paranoia Agent is also excellent. And if we're taking
| 2000s shows into account, I also have to mention Kuuchuu
| Buranko in that category of Paranoia Agent-reminiscent
| sociologically interesting shows.
| windowshopping wrote:
| "A Silent Voice" is the best anime film of the 2010s in my
| opinion and comes closer to matching Miyazaki than anything
| else I've seen, in terms of the power of storytelling. Miyazaki
| is still better, but it's extremely good.
|
| I also enjoyed "Wolf Children" a lot. As others have said,
| "Your Name" is stellar too, and "5cm/sec" is pretty damn
| excellent.
| 0xDEADFED5 wrote:
| Texhnolyze
| Madmallard wrote:
| Cowboy Bebop: The Movie
|
| Your Name
|
| Violet Evergarden
|
| Perfect Blue
|
| Paprika
|
| Metropolis
|
| There's a bunch of great animated movies.
|
| If you're referring to series then among the best Seinen
| classics are shows like:
|
| Berzerk (1997)
|
| Monster (2004) [My personal favorite]
|
| Cowboy Bebop
|
| Steins:Gate
|
| Vinland Saga (newer)
|
| Frieren (newer)
|
| There's a lot of Shounen classics as well, my favorite probably
| being
|
| Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood
|
| granted there's several tropes in it that aren't going to be as
| enjoyable to watch on repeat for older folks. But the
| storytelling and plot is practically like Breaking Bad but in
| anime form.
| YurgenJurgensen wrote:
| All these people giving recs are doing it wrong. You can
| determine if an anime is worth your time by merely looking at
| the title and what the source material is and the following
| simple system:
|
| Candidates start with 5 points. If they have a positive score
| after applying the system, they're at least worth checking out
| (although they will not necessarily be good). If not, you are
| likely wasting your time.
|
| 1) Every word in the title past the third is worth -1 point.
| This includes particles and abbreviations.
|
| 2) Each word in the subtitle is worth -0.5 points.
|
| 3) Any of the following words or close synonyms are worth -2
| points on top of any other penalties: Academy, Ability, Cheat,
| Dungeon, Elf, Game, Goblin, Harem, Hero, Idol, Isekai, Level,
| Loop, Maou, MMO, Mob, Online, Overlord, Party, Player, Re(used
| as a prefix), Reincarnation, "The Animation"(verbatim only),
| Vampire, Villainess, Virtual, VR, VTuber, Wizard
|
| 4) Subtract an additional point for every word that implies
| this is a remake, spinoff, adaptation or sequel, such as "Kai",
| "Gaiden", "2nd" (3rd, etc.), "New", et cetera.
|
| 5) Even though you already subtracted a point for "Isekai" in
| step 3. If the title contains the word "Isekai", subtract an
| additional 5 points.
|
| 6) Apply the following adjustment based on the source material:
| History: +3 (Applying only to direct adaptations of historical
| events, not merely using historical theming) Literary Fiction:
| +2 Original Work: +1 Other: +1 OVA: +0.5 Live Action: +0 Web
| Animation/Motion Comic/Music Video: +0 Comic: +0 Video Game: -1
| Light Novel: -1 Writeup of someone's D&D session: -1 CCG: -2
| Web Novel: -5 Mobile Game: -10 "Multimedia Project" (This is
| just a mobile game that doesn't exist yet): -10 Social Media
| Post: -100
| ojhughes wrote:
| I really enjoyed "Re:ZERO - Starting Life in Another World"
| despite it scoring -11.5 using your system (Isekai translates
| to another world)
| YurgenJurgensen wrote:
| If you hadn't seen Now and Then, Here and There, or Twelve
| Kingdoms, or read Red River, then maybe it'd seem fresh and
| interesting, but I dropped Re:Zero pretty early. Good genre
| fiction still has something to say about the real world,
| and Re:Zero felt like it was trying so hard to subvert
| genre expectations set by other fiction that it forgot
| that.
| msp26 wrote:
| Petty much yeah. Agreed on historical anime/manga generally
| being higher quality by default. The research required tends
| to filter hack authors.
|
| Have you read Magus of the Library?
| YurgenJurgensen wrote:
| I have not. I have a completely different set of criteria
| for choosing manga because their production process is so
| different than for anime. I have a tendency to only buy
| physical copies, so if something never catches my eye in a
| book shop, or never makes it into a book shop, I will
| probably never even know it exists if it's not by an author
| I already know.
| sterlind wrote:
| I'm amused that Hetalia: Axis Powers gets the highest
| possible score.
| YurgenJurgensen wrote:
| Only the first season. (And appropriately, I didn't think
| later seasons were as good when the novelty wore off.)
| justinclift wrote:
| From the other angle, what's the absolute crappiest anime
| you've seen and would steer everyone away from?
|
| The stand out crappiest anime I'm aware of is the "Blade
| Runner: Black Lotus" series:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner:_Black_Lotus
|
| Truly terrible in every aspect. Story, animation, dialog, etc.
| Outstandingly bad. :(
| ogurechny wrote:
| > What am I missing?
|
| Everything that is not in "Studio Ghibli" wide angle fairy tale
| style? A number of external films have imitated it, some of
| them better than the other.
|
| As a side note, "Studio Ghibli" is also not at all equal to
| "Hayao Miyazaki".
|
| Say, "Madoka Magica" is certainly large scale, but in totally
| different style. "Denno Coil" and "Eizouken" has that sense of
| adventure you can't really describe. And "Drifting Home" is
| magical, nostalgic, and colourful in its own manner.
|
| I you need some "respected opinion", here's a list:
|
| https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/lists/50-key-anime-fi...
|
| It's... okay. Everyone -- for a certain definition of attentive
| viewers -- knows most of those.
|
| It is not wise to limit yourself to movies. As mentioned,
| animated movie is a big investment that can flop at once, while
| series can be steered somehow in a different
| production/financing direction, or can become a good
| merchandise source. Therefore, a lot of movies are more or less
| straightforward derivatives of existing hit works which rely on
| the fan crowd. Those make money for more experimental original
| works.
| bpiche wrote:
| Browse some ranked lists (series and OVAs) over at
| MyAnimeList.net. Tons of good stuff out there. Though, things
| were better in the old days. No arguing that.
| livueta wrote:
| If we're specifically talking stuff from the last few years,
| and if shows count, I gotta put in a word for ODDTAXI. Feels
| like a mashup of the best parts of Yuasa Masaaki and Kon
| Satoshi works.
| djaouen wrote:
| Ahh, anime's heyday. I remember borrowing Samurai Champloo on VHS
| from my friend around that time when I was in high school... good
| times!
| duggan wrote:
| Champloo came out in 2004, wasn't VHS a distant memory by then,
| or was I just "living in the future"? :)
|
| Sure you're not thinking of Cowboy Bebop?
| djaouen wrote:
| It might have been. Even then, I remember thinking that it
| was odd that it came on VHS. Thanks for the trip down memory
| lane!
| pjc50 wrote:
| Could well have been a "fansub" circulating on copied VHS.
| christiaanb wrote:
| Perhaps the only anime where the voice actor for one of the
| Dutch characters actually speaks proper Dutch (as opposed to
| e.g. German or very broken Dutch). Although they picked a weird
| translation for the concept of boss/chief/ranking officer, and
| they chose "opperhoofd"; which as a Dutch person is something
| you associate as a person that is the head of a tribe, not
| ranking officer.
| bostik wrote:
| I hadn't realised _Jin-Roh_ was from the same creator. And I can
| see why it wasn 't a success: _Jin-Roh_ is dark, properly
| dystopian, confusing, and unforgiving. But underneath there is a
| retold story of the little red riding-hood, in the original Grimm
| fashion.
|
| The wolf wins.
| GauntletWizard wrote:
| Jin-Roh is but part of Oshii's other magnum opus, The Kerberos
| Saga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerberos_Saga . I haven't
| read the second half, which wasn't available in english when I
| first saw Jin Roh, but I've heard that The Red Spectacles and
| StrayDog are great if you liked it, but hard to find. I should
| retry that search one of these days.
| imp0cat wrote:
| Oh it's nice to see Animation Obsessive here. Their blog
| https://animationobsessive.substack.com/ is worthy of a
| subscription - most of their articles are both informative and
| very well written.
| chambers wrote:
| I rewatched Ghost in the Shell recently and I was struck by how
| poorly it aged. Its animation holds up but its story felt weaker
| than I remembered. Like the director reached for something deep,
| couldn't get ahold of it, and then covered his tracks behind
| wordy philosophy.
| maxglute wrote:
| >director reached for something deep, couldn't get ahold of it
|
| Translation/writing/dub wasn't very strong at the time, I can
| see how ppl feel now (and felt at the time) the
| headiness/philosophizng was filler for robot tanks and augment
| porn, but it was all there in the source manga by Shirow. IMO
| reaching for something deep about is what the series is all
| about, just explored more competently in shows like SAC where
| they had many hours to deep dwelve into many subjects.
| p_l wrote:
| The original manga delivers it better because...
|
| ... Shirow filled in gaps between panels with tons and tons of
| notes, discussing details, sometimes pointing to source
| material, etc.
|
| One of the worst things about it is that none of the GitS 1.0,
| 1.5 and 2.0 come with bibliography section - they _need_ it.
| ranger207 wrote:
| Ghost in the Shell was one of the first animes I saw, but while
| I quickly switched from dubs to subs, I only rewatched GitS
| subbed fairly recently. The subtitles are far better than the
| dubbed audio, and I'd encourage anyone who has only seen it
| dubbed to attempt watching it subbed instead
| mejutoco wrote:
| What do you think about the matrix (the movie)?
| Shinchy wrote:
| I'm not sure what others are saying, I re-watched Ghost in the
| Shell again recently and I had forgotten just how brilliant it
| is. There is something pure about it that you just don't find in
| modern anime, something that really resonated.
| YurgenJurgensen wrote:
| That something is acetate.
| xorbax wrote:
| This is why I think Akira can't be surpassed. Not just
| because it was done on acetate, but because of the level of
| skill and consideration required to animate that way. You
| can't just undo that brush stroke onto the cel and try
| something else.
|
| As much as technology has democratized the field, I think it
| also lowers the heights. I desperately hope I'm wrong and
| just old, but I haven't met someone who puts up something
| that they think is better. Maybe it's just because we're in
| the transitory phase - but digital animation has been around
| for decades at this point. Maybe it's Ikea versus
| handcrafting, and the shift is in the expected quality rather
| than the art elevating itself to meet priors.
| maxglute wrote:
| Every part of GiS has been, per article "endlessly ripped off,
| referenced and remixed". Whatever one liked about original GiS,
| there's a derivation out there that turns dial to 11 and makes
| the original feel basic in retrospect. But that's testimony to
| GiS greatness.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| There is a common trope about this very effect: https://tvtro
| pes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OnceOriginalNowC...
| rekabis wrote:
| The author fails in their understanding of Anime's history in
| North America.
|
| While certain series such as The White Lion, Astroboy, Space
| Battleship Yamato (marketed over here as Starblazors) and Captain
| Harlock did see airtime first, it was Robotech - the Harmony Gold
| Frankenstein of three completely unrelated Anime series - that
| kicked off the process in 1984. It was Robotech that threw rocket
| fuel onto the burning embers of fandom in North America. Akira
| just helped the process along.
| YurgenJurgensen wrote:
| There was very little "anime" in North America. If you prefer
| your animation with an acute accent, you're better off looking
| in France.
| kagakuninja wrote:
| As a member of the underground anime scene, starting in the
| late 70s, I have a different perspective.
|
| Harmony Gold did nothing to actually promote anime, beyond
| hyping their own products. Robotech was the English translated
| anime that happened to be on air in the US when the necessary
| conditions for the anime explosion were in place.
|
| Those conditions were:
|
| Affordable VCRs (in the 70s, they cost as much as a small car).
|
| The Usenet / internet (for coordinating, sharing information,
| and creating tape sharing networks).
|
| Low cost computer video platforms for subtitling (e.g. Amiga +
| Video Toaster).
|
| In terms of popularity, people forget that Speed Racer, Kimba,
| etc were broadcast on network television, and had far more
| impact on popular culture than Robotech, which was syndicated.
|
| Captain Harlock ironically what got me interested in anime in
| the late '70s. It was not widely broadcast in the continental
| US, until Harmony Gold's despicable hack job which came after
| Robotech.
|
| One source of subtitled anime in the 70s was from Hawaii, which
| has a significant Japanese population. But to get that required
| having contacts with one of those very expensive VCRs.
| BoingBoomTschak wrote:
| Just a notice that all Blu-Rays of the 95 GITS are all completely
| and hopelessly mangled (cropped, blurred and black crushed). The
| only "good" version is an old HDTV rip that was remastered by
| Judgment; but with some heavy smudging in the process, a heavy
| film grain shader to mask this is recommended.
|
| BD:
| http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/1080p-3/BD...
|
| HDTV:
| http://comp.judging.it/content/Koukaku%20Kidoutai/1080p-3/Ju...
| photochemsyn wrote:
| GITS is highly relevant today, but I can understand why the
| Hollywood remake gutted the original story, because GITS is a
| highly subversive work that directly attacks the authoritarian
| state's bureaucratic power structure. It's also the story of the
| transformation of a loyal servant of one of the state agencies,
| Major Kusangi, into an independent rogue agent who abandons that
| power structure in alliance with some form of synthetic
| intelligence, Project 2501.
|
| What sets it apart from similar rogue spy stories is the heavy
| emphasis on philosophical concepts - the Ship of Theseus in the
| context of a cyborg human whose every part has been replaced over
| time, the nature of self and other in the context of the merger
| of the Major's identity with that of P2501, the point at which
| obedience to the authoritarian state is abandoned and the
| rationale for that choice - all notions that make established
| power structures uneasy, and which accounts for the atrocious
| garbled plot line of the Hollywood remake.
| bellboy_tech wrote:
| GITS is amazing as a design universe. The more you dig into the
| manga or movies (even the SACs) the deeper you get sucked in to
| what could be. From the vision of mind interfaces to the dream of
| mind across the net. It was WAY ahead of it's time and still
| stands up today.
|
| Every crevasse of the original Manga contains deep thought out
| design on what digital life could become. What constructs we
| become once we crossed that digital/biological line.
|
| Love it. Happy to buy into the sell.
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