[HN Gopher] A Man Who Raced to Tell the World That Mount Everest...
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A Man Who Raced to Tell the World That Mount Everest Had Been
Climbed
Author : rtrunck
Score : 89 points
Date : 2024-05-08 22:36 UTC (1 days ago)
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| tromp wrote:
| Poor guy wasn't even mentioned on Wikipedia's sherpa's list [1].
| As of today he is...
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherpa_people
| Staple_Diet wrote:
| It's funny that they mention a Canadian climber being a threat to
| the Crown getting the Everest mantle. Pretty sure in the 1940s
| Canadians were still British subjects, much like Kiwis (of which
| Hillary was one). So, a Canadian summiting would have been the
| same as a Kiwi summiting.
| afavour wrote:
| It's all a matter of perspective. Despite being British
| subjects Canadians still had their own sense of identity, as
| did Kiwis.
| dorfsmay wrote:
| Even though Canadian citizenship first appeared in 1947,
| athletes were recognised as Canadian as soon as the country was
| created in 1867.
|
| The first Canadians to win a anything were the "Paris crew" who
| won a regatta days after the constitution. Canada started to be
| represented in the Olympic Games in 1900.
|
| https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/paris-crew
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_at_the_1900_Summer_Olym...
| verve_rat wrote:
| And NZ competed at the Olympics in 1920.
|
| If Canada counts as not the Crown, then so does NZ.
|
| It's a major oversight for an article on this subject.
| ctippett wrote:
| I was waiting for the article to acknowledge that Hillary was
| from New Zealand, but it's never mentioned.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| 1931. Not 1940s.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Westminster_1931
|
| >>Most of the remaining colonies in North America - everything
| north of the United States with the exception of Newfoundland -
| were merged into a federal polity known as "Canada" in the late
| 1860s and early 1870s. Canada was termed a "dominion", a term
| previously used in slightly different contexts in English
| history, and granted a broad array of powers between the
| federal government and the provincial governments. Australia
| was similarly deemed a dominion when it federated in 1901, as
| were Newfoundland, New Zealand, South Africa, and the Irish
| Free State in the first decades of the 20th century.
|
| >> No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the
| commencement of this Act shall extend, or be deemed to extend,
| to a Dominion as part of the law of that Dominion, unless it is
| expressly declared in that Act that that Dominion has
| requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof.
|
| In that language was/is Canadian independence from britain.
| verve_rat wrote:
| And NZ adopted the Statute of Westminster in 1947, so was on
| the same footing as Canada with respect to claiming the
| "first to the top" title.
| soperj wrote:
| Nah, you're wrong. There was a reason they waited a day to
| declare war on Germany in WWII, where as in WWI they were
| automagically at war.
| kemiller2002 wrote:
| I remember that in Canadian history. They did not go to war
| because England did, but I think it was they went to war
| because the monarchy declared it (?) (Please don't knock me
| too hard Canadian history was over 25 years ago for me.)
| verve_rat wrote:
| Yeah but New Zealand also separately declared war in World
| War II, so if that is your yardstick then there is still no
| difference between a Kiwi and a Canadian getting there first.
| verve_rat wrote:
| I've replied to a few comments here pointing out why NZ and
| Canada would be considered both on the same footing as part of
| the Empire but also not at the same time.
|
| Unlike, say the US, independence for the former Dominions isn't
| something you can pin point to one event. It is mostly a slow
| evolution of the legal environment and cultural separation over
| the course of more than a century. (In NZ's case you could
| argue that it took 163 years, or is not done yet because
| reasons.)
|
| The actual difference between the Canadian "expedition" and the
| one that included Hillary is that the Canadian one was just
| some dude. One guy that wanted to try his luck, whereas the
| British one was organised (and I believe paid for) in Britain.
| It just happened to have a Kiwi on it.
| rvnx wrote:
| Not sure it's so good to make promotion of Mount Everest and
| their climbers in the current situation.
|
| It's full of literal shit (including the smell) and empty oxygen
| bottles due to too many tourists and everyday it gets worse.
|
| It's like the highest open defecation place in the world.
|
| https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/climbing/pea...
|
| though there are some initiatives to solve that:
| https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/mountaineering-report/t...
| alephnerd wrote:
| It'll only get worse.
|
| Management of Mt Everest falls under the Ministry of Culture,
| Tourism, and Civil Aviation, and each Minister lasts barely a
| year because Nepali politics is extremely unstable because
| Ministries are given to critical MPs who can make or break a
| government.
|
| Expect more permits to be issued and way less support and
| cleaning especially because Nepal has some systemic economic
| issues right now.
| lostemptations5 wrote:
| So we should just ignore previous accomplishments I guess...
| wetmore wrote:
| I'd bet a substantial amount that nobody is learning that
| Everest exists from this article.
|
| I agree that the current state of Everest is an embarrassment.
| But that doesn't change the fact that it's the tallest mountain
| in the world, and the efforts (both successful and failed) to
| be the first to summit were audacious and inspiring to many
| people. Stories like the one in the OP should not be suppressed
| just because decades later the mountain has turned into a pile
| of shit.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| Why should I care if there is a bunch of garbage and feces in a
| place that no one can even access without paying $70k? There's
| beaches where normal people actually go that are covered in
| trash and have raw sewage pumped into the nearby
| waters...surely that is a more important aspect of the
| environment to clean up or care about than a mountain in the
| middle of no where that only rich people visit.
| kinglawrence wrote:
| The amount of virtue signalling going on to turn this article
| into some kind of moral issue is just wild
| generic92034 wrote:
| So, just as a fun exercise - what would it take to remove the
| top 250m from Mount Everest, making it only the second highest
| mountain?
| Amorymeltzer wrote:
| This includes one of my favorite details, which is the coded
| message sent to confirm the ascent:
|
| >Snow conditions bad stop advanced base abandoned yesterday stop
| awaiting improvement
|
| Wikipedia[1] has the breakdown, as well as the rest of the code
| for other individuals[2]:
|
| >Snow conditions bad" was the agreed code to signify that the
| summit had been reached; "advance base abandoned" referred to
| Hillary and "awaiting improvement" referred to Tenzing.
|
| 1:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_British_Mount_Everest_exp...
|
| 2:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_British_Mount_Everest_exp...
| lbeckman314 wrote:
| Amazing story by Ang Pemba Sherpa! Only crossed paths briefly a
| few times at the outdoor store mentioned in the article (Next
| Adventure!) but I'm a big fan of all of his work and photography
| [0,1].
|
| [0] http://angpembasherpa.com/
|
| [1] https://www.instagram.com/angpembasherpa
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