[HN Gopher] A Portal Connecting NYC to Dublin Opens in Flatiron ...
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A Portal Connecting NYC to Dublin Opens in Flatiron Today
Author : geox
Score : 73 points
Date : 2024-05-08 21:03 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| Aaronstotle wrote:
| This is neat, I hope one day similar structures are placed in
| cities around the globe, and it helps ease tension that builds so
| easily online.
| delfinom wrote:
| Yea...if it's countries with tensions, people will start
| mooning the portal and worse hahaha
| chgs wrote:
| I believe there's precedent for Americans mooning Austrailia.
|
| https://youtu.be/YkcVzNyj5sI?si=XXY3dnm8WPrmmbu0
| Aaronstotle wrote:
| Americans & Brits making fun of each other through a portal
| would be pretty neat haha
| anyfoo wrote:
| Well, I much prefer people mooning each other, or, similarly,
| the actual happenstance of countries voting for and against
| each other in the Eurovision Song Contest for reasons _other_
| than musical merit, to armed conflict.
| jareklupinski wrote:
| > countries with tensions, people will start mooning the
| portal
|
| would make for a beautiful realisation
|
| "how petty our differences become, when we realize we all use
| the same butt"
| janalsncm wrote:
| Seriously. Usually the only way we can see images of other
| places is through media, which may be biased. (Even if the
| stories are true, the stories which are chosen may not be
| representative.) This is a really cool opportunity to cut
| through all of that and just show everyday people.
|
| It would also be really cool if there was some kind of live
| translation that let people talk to each other in their native
| languages.
| hderms wrote:
| is Dublin becoming more of a cultural center since Brexit?
| a_paddy wrote:
| Brexit? The British left Dublin 102 years ago.
| chgs wrote:
| As in since the U.K. shot itself in the foot more effort is
| being spent on an English speaking country in Europe at the
| expense of an English speaking country in its own.
| wk_end wrote:
| Ehhh I wouldn't think it'd make a significant difference on its
| own. London is what it is (was what it was?) because of
| centuries of English imperial hegemony, not just because it's
| English-speaking. Berliners speak the global lingua franca
| virtually just as well and - with no slight intended to the
| Irish - their city is a much more natural fit as the new
| European cosmopolitan cultural Mecca.
|
| Dublin's rising global prominence probably has more to do with
| Ireland's rather business-friendly taxation policies.
| Nihilartikel wrote:
| I wonder when we'll have light field capturing and emitting
| surfaces that would make it look like a real hole between
| places...
| initramfs wrote:
| What we really need is to have people on both sides of the pond
| dress up as green men from outer space and wave to each other
| with three webbed digits.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| I wonder what the latency is going to be on this. It needs to be
| at least 1/30th of a second round trip but I suspect the actual
| latency is going to be more like 1s+
| crazygringo wrote:
| I don't know why it would be any different from a Zoom call.
|
| In reality it's probably even faster since neither side is
| dealing with Wi-Fi.
| bagels wrote:
| It doesn't say what technology is used, does it? Could be
| using wifi, or cell networks.
| pclmulqdq wrote:
| Wired, using the subsea fiber cables, your still stuck at a
| 60 ms RTT minimum from NYC to Dublin. Add in video
| transcoding time and a more realistic estimate of the
| networks on either side, and you're looking at latency
| closer to 200-400 ms. WiFi over this distance actually
| isn't a significant contributor to latency.
| bagels wrote:
| Where does it say it's using a wired connection? Agree
| that the latency from the distance is going to be a big
| factor.
| oceanplexian wrote:
| Actually transcoding can be done far below that with
| consumer hardware. I'm doing Quicksync accelerated
| transcoding right now for Moonlight and encoding/decoding
| latency is only a few ms. And Wifi is, by far the
| greatest source of latency. In fact I can get data to a
| datacenter a few hundred km away over a fiber connection
| faster than Wifi across the room (<5ms vs 10-20ms)
| trey-jones wrote:
| I wonder the same. I already take issue with the use of
| "realtime" in the marketing material.
| Chilko wrote:
| Would you consider zoom call with someone on the other side
| of an ocean "realtime"?
|
| If so, I don't see how this is any different. If not, that's
| a pretty narrow definition of realtime given the context.
| anyfoo wrote:
| Realtime means different things in different contexts. If I
| can watch a webcam of freeway traffic, than 5 seconds delay
| is, for all intents and purposes, realtime.
|
| If we talk about medical equipment, it may be very different
| based on the equipment.
|
| Real time OSs advertise maximum guaranteed latencies. 0
| latency does not exist in the physical world, the speed of
| light can't be convinced to hurry up, unfortunately.
| chgs wrote:
| Why 1/30th?
|
| Latency will be far more than that due to speed of light.
|
| My mpeg vision circuits are about 480ms end to end from
| Washington/New York to London. The j2k ones are faster but
| still in the 200ms range. In theory you could get it down to
| sub 100ms but at that point you are certainly having to
| engineer your paths correctly and use barely any compression.
|
| Uncompressed 4k is in the 10gbit range. My uhd jxs bitrates are
| about 1.3gbit but wouldn't deliver sub 200 across the pond.
| mysecretaccount wrote:
| > Why 1/30th? > Latency will be far more than that due to
| speed of light.
|
| 1/30th of 1s is almost exactly the round-trip time from NYC
| to Dublin (Wolfram Alpha says 17ms one-way).
| anyfoo wrote:
| OP is correct, 1/30 s is a good ballpark theoretical lower
| bound.
|
| Assuming travel across the earth surface, light in a vacuum
| take about 14ms to cross the distances. Times two for round
| trip that's about 1/30 s.
|
| Of course we don't have anywhere near ideal conditions there
| (at a minimum, light in fiber is already slower, closer to
| 40ms round trip in that case, and of course network
| infrastructure adds orders of magnitude), but it's a good
| limit.
| oceanplexian wrote:
| You don't need round trip with live video, you can push
| frames in UDP packets from both sides.
| futureshock wrote:
| Imagine a transatlantic Zoom call off your laptop camera and
| home wifi. Not great. I have seen this Portal in person.
| crazygringo wrote:
| Why are none of the photos actually of Flatiron?
|
| (I don't know Dublin well enough to tell if any of them are of
| the Dublin side.)
| NoboruWataya wrote:
| > (I don't know Dublin well enough to tell if any of them are
| of the Dublin side.)
|
| Doesn't look like it.
| lelandfe wrote:
| https://old.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1cn9cxl/portal_to_dubl...
| dylan604 wrote:
| "A sculpture known as The Portal is heading to NYC's Flatiron
| neighborhood"
|
| Seems you might be thinking of a specific building instead
| anyfoo wrote:
| Presumably because they are of a previous location of the art's
| installation. The article is written in future tense, so it
| stands to reason that there are no (interesting) pictures of
| the new installation yet.
| futureshock wrote:
| It's because the photos are of an existing Portal installation
| in Lublin, Poland and Vilnius, Lithuania. Lublin is my city and
| this thing has been running for a few years now. Everyone loves
| waving at it and seeing if anyone on the other side waves back.
| It's quite silly but also rather touching.
| _dain_ wrote:
| there are portals ...
| walterbell wrote:
| Needs gesture recognition to trigger Stargate portal easter egg,
| https://youtube.com/watch?v=0WvN3Ji-xIQ
|
| Locations: https://www.portals.org/portals
| ElijahLynn wrote:
| Does it do audio too?
|
| I wonder what the resolution and frame rate is too?
|
| Article was lacking technical detail.
| futureshock wrote:
| We have one in Lublin, PL for the past several years. I'm not
| sure if ours will be moved or if they are building a new pair.
|
| There's no audio. Webcam quality isn't a pretty bad, maybe 720p
| with lots of compression artifacts. It's not a 4k screen,
| reminds me of digital signage used for highway billboards.
|
| It's still entertaining but every time I see it I long for 8k
| and a gigabit uplink.
| bagels wrote:
| Is Facebook going to complain about trademarks?
| chahex wrote:
| I hope this helps manifest a real portal but yeah JetBlue may
| disagree (i.e. unmanifest)
| candiddevmike wrote:
| That was an ad in the beginning, right?
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| Reminds me of the Shared Studios containers, except those have
| audio [1]. Funnily enough, that also started as a project called
| Portal (between New York and Tehran) [2].
|
| [1] https://www.sharedstudios.com/
|
| [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portals_(initiative)
| janalsncm wrote:
| Super cool! I would love to see a ring of these leading to all
| different countries. Really interesting way to connect countries
| together.
| anyfoo wrote:
| That would be fun. How do you imagine the "ring"? A huge part
| of the appeal is that both sides can see each other.
| vundercind wrote:
| You could ask someone in Dublin to pass on a message, walk
| over to the portal coming from the "other side", and maybe
| receive your message back from someone in Japan or something
| :-)
| boopmaster wrote:
| Not the op, but I could imagine a series of portals in a
| circle formation at each site; maybe like 12 or 13 simulcast
| connections would be insane.
| notnaut wrote:
| I walk by this location regularly. VERY open to goofy ideas and
| harmless shenanigans.
| mikeocool wrote:
| An artist set something similar up between NYC and London in 2008
| -- was always fun to walk by.
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/arts/design/21tele.html
| extheat wrote:
| Cool stuff. It's kind of interesting because the time zones are
| several hours off, so I wonder how well it works at night. From
| the renders I see the quality doesn't seem that great (for better
| or worse), still quite fascinating to look through I'm sure.
| dan-g wrote:
| Awesome! There's a really cool company in Japan doing something
| similar for enterprise: https://tonari.no/en
| benatkin wrote:
| In San Francisco that portal is called BART and it also connects
| to Pleasanton.
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