[HN Gopher] Show HN: BandMatch - "Tinder" but for finding musici...
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Show HN: BandMatch - "Tinder" but for finding musicians to create
bands/collab
Author : pg5
Score : 426 points
Date : 2024-05-03 18:11 UTC (1 days ago)
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| 999900000999 wrote:
| Cool idea, but I'm not giving you my location. Please allow me to
| select a city manually.
| pg5 wrote:
| I figured that "allow once, approximate location" would be
| sufficient for the privacy conscious.
|
| A little scared to make it selectable, as it would make it much
| easier for spammers/scammers to target locations, as the only
| verification is email. I do realize they can still change their
| location that with an emulator.
| 999900000999 wrote:
| You're only keeping honest people out. It's trivial to spoof
| location on Android.
| feoren wrote:
| > A little scared to make it selectable, as it would make it
| much easier for spammers/scammers to target locations, as the
| only verification is email. I do realize they can still
| change their location that with an emulator.
|
| So there's not really any hurdle at all for automated
| spammers who can fake their location easily, but you're
| making it more difficult for genuine users anyway?
| pg5 wrote:
| My thought process was that clicking allow or allow once
| would be less difficult for genuine users than searching
| for their city.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| IMO you're losing more people due to the location
| requirement than you are gaining a bad rap from
| scammers/spammers. I just went through the exact
| experience of the above poster, I blanket deny loc
| tracking.
| jolmg wrote:
| The concern's probably that in order for location
| tracking to not give you their exact home location,
| they'd have to drive a good distance away from their home
| or something before allowing it once. That doesn't seem
| less difficult than searching for the city from the
| comfort of their home.
| AlecSchueler wrote:
| Keep in mind the privacy concerns of the HN are
| significantly higher than for normal people. It might not
| be much of an issue at all.
|
| That said, one thing that is useful with being able to
| select a city is that it would allow me to browse my home
| city when I'm abroad, or look for people to play with
| while I'm traveling.
|
| Tinder offers this as a premium feature.
| notfed wrote:
| Then support both?
| mmclar wrote:
| What if I'm not in the location I care about? Musicians are
| famously people who are often on the road.
| earthnail wrote:
| Great premium feature. Like on Tinder. Put location choice
| behind a paywall; keeps fake profiles out, too.
| earthnail wrote:
| I think asking for location is perfectly sensible and the
| right thing to do. Track how many people say no, but if the
| opt out rate is too high, work on the wording to increase the
| rate before you allow manually entering a city.
| grumpymouse wrote:
| I'm not going to install this because I'm not looking for a band,
| but it would be cool if you could keep in mind solo musicians
| often need to hire a band in order to play
|
| This could be a good way for people to find that when they don't
| have other musicians in their network who can fill that role for
| them.
| dylan604 wrote:
| seems like something a website could do and not require an app.
| I hope the dev learned a lot about making an app while building
| this, as that seems the only purpose for app only to me. Unless
| they want to get at all of that precious data hoovering money
| potential. I have become so callused and cynical from malicious
| devs, that's my first thought on anything that is an app
| instead of a website
| drusepth wrote:
| I think the "app" form-factor is preferrable to a "website"
| for a lot of people. Almost every website I've built over the
| past 10 years (summing to ~900k-ish users) has had constant
| streams of users always requesting an app alternative to the
| website, quote "even if it's just the regular website in an
| app".
| dylan604 wrote:
| You just described a web app. Go forth and sin no more
| dumbo-octopus wrote:
| People don't like web apps and don't know how to install
| PWA's (by design of the OS manufacturers that make money
| from developers needing to pay to be on their hosted
| platforms). Like it or not, if you tell someone you have
| a product to use on their phone, they're going to want it
| to be in the App Store.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Web apps should be able to be listed in the app stores. I
| understand why people want to find things in the store.
| Younger generations don't really use the internet the way
| us old farts did. Discovery is no longer something that
| SEO and ad driven search makes organic any more, so
| discovery is nearly impossible. Instead of Yahoo style
| search of webpages, we have the curated search of apps
| via stores. Not that the app search is amazing, but it's
| still a smaller subsection than all of the internet which
| makes it easier.
| kmoser wrote:
| Why not both? Assuming it's running off a DB in the cloud,
| it should be simple enough for the developer to write a web
| front-end for it.
|
| I try to keep my phone lean and mean, and I'm not inclined
| to install an app for something I don't use all the time.
| Heck, even if I were to use this all the time, I would much
| rather use it through a web interface.
| pg5 wrote:
| A good chunk of my motivation for building this was to get
| learn React native and get experience with building out real-
| time messaging.
| ajakate wrote:
| I downloaded the app, but running into an infinite spinner on the
| main "Artists" tab, so can't really comment on the what the app
| is like...
|
| What I will say is that it seems a little unfortunate that so
| many "matching" apps take the tinder swipe model these days when
| it really makes the matching experience worse.
|
| I have a friend who's a drummer in central Illinois. He's used
| https://www.bandmix.com to find multiple groups that he's been
| jamming with for a while now. The UI is such that you can see a
| grid of all the bands/artists matching your criteria, and can
| facet and filter your search in the sidebar with a lot of other
| options including distance, commitment level, genre, etc.
| pg5 wrote:
| Thanks for checking it out. Ugh, I thought I had fixed the
| infinite spin, but it seems to happen on the first app open
| occasionally still - its related to permissions dialog
|
| I intend to add filtering, but didn't initially because 0
| people use it currently, and also wanted to get an mvp out
| quickly
| colonwqbang wrote:
| Why does swiping make it worse? Is there a better alternative?
| unixhero wrote:
| Why not just list everyone... tables and filters for the end
| user
| AlecSchueler wrote:
| You give up on a lot of data you could otherwise have
| collected by doing that, data which could have helped the
| product in other ways.
| onion2k wrote:
| Filters are useful to narrow a list but they're useless for
| actually recording a decision against each item in the set.
| They're just not a mechanic for assigning a (boolean)
| value. Swiping is, and that's what's happening here.
| Anduia wrote:
| The swipe feature, while familiar to users, may not be the
| most efficient way for musicians to connect and form bands. A
| UX that allows creating a band and receive applications could
| prove more effective, then perhaps you can use the swipe to
| accept or reject them into your band.
| yashvg wrote:
| By swiping you force people to 'rate' everyone they see. You
| can then use a method like the Elo rating system to match
| musicians of similar skill levels (or desirability?) more
| easily.
| FailMore wrote:
| Can't download of find it on the iOS App Store. Based in Uk
| pg5 wrote:
| Ah sorry - initially only launched in the US/Canada because I
| don't have translations set up. I suppose there is no reason to
| not make it available in the UK though.
| benenglish wrote:
| Yes please
| pg5 wrote:
| Updated both app stores to make it available in the UK, might
| take a bit to take effect
| block_dagger wrote:
| Installed iOS version. Looks like I can't even browse content
| without (1) giving away email and (2) entering profile
| information. So I uninstalled it. Please consider showing content
| before you ask for personal info from the user.
| spacebacon wrote:
| I agree, musicians are a finicky bunch. Show profiles and
| onboard after peaking an interest.
| entropicdrifter wrote:
| I agree with this sentiment as well, but my OCD requires me
| to inform you that the word you want is "piquing"
| pg5 wrote:
| That is fair, I may have copied the tinder model too literally.
| treme wrote:
| I disagree. People on HN won't even signup for Twitter
| because "reasons". I think gate keeping finicky people is
| fine, you should at least A/B test how likely you can
| encourage registration because building initial network
| effect for something like this is crucial.
| AlecSchueler wrote:
| I agree with this, don't get too bogged down by what people
| here think, focus on your target audience. This is the
| crowd that would have passed on Dropbox because it's so
| easy just to use rsync.
| codedokode wrote:
| When you use rsync, you don't have to share your data
| with foreign intelligence.
| AlecSchueler wrote:
| I'm aware of the benefits of rsync but you've sort of
| proven the point. Regardless of the niche concerns of the
| HN crowd Dropbox was an extremely viable product and the
| company went on to make a lot of money.
| willsmith72 wrote:
| i definitely get this sentiment, but as someone who's used
| similar apps for other stuff, i prefer knowing that people who
| are viewing my profile at least had some email verification
|
| yes anyone can use a throwaway email, maybe it's all
| irrational, but i know from user interviews i'm not the only
| one who feels that way
|
| same thing for app vs web. there's at least a feeling that
| scammers/hackers/creeps on the other side of the world have
| less access to my personal info. again maybe it's fake, but the
| perception is there. (otherwise generally i would prefer web >
| app 100 times out of 100)
| Pine_Mushroom wrote:
| App is a dealbreaker for me also. Neat idea though.
| srameshc wrote:
| Great idea, I always wanted to build something to do with music
| and musicians but never did I think of this case. I can see it
| useful and a website instead of an app to begin with will make it
| easier for many to try and test.
| debo_ wrote:
| Drummers are probably going to be the "attractive person"
| equivalent on this app lol
| rozap wrote:
| We did have a drummer but unfortunately he died in a bizarre
| gardening accident.
| hi-v-rocknroll wrote:
| On stage or off? (What? There could be a band that does live
| gardening as part of its routine.)
| toddmorey wrote:
| I heard you've gone through quite a few drummers, actually.
|
| List of Spinal Tap Drummers, all deceased
| https://zeroenthusiasm.tumblr.com/post/47032679583/list-
| of-s...
| RajT88 wrote:
| Now _technically_ he died by choking on his own vomit. But
| the thing is - it wasn 't his vomit. But you can't very well
| fingerprint vomit, innit?
| tnolet wrote:
| What's the difference between a drummer and a drum machine?
|
| You only have to punch the beat into a drum machine once.
|
| (Had bands and multiple drummers. Love'm)
| hi-v-rocknroll wrote:
| My Roland MC-505 is in violent agreement.
| toddmorey wrote:
| Sure, sure but can it still drum when you turn it
| completely upside down like Tommy Lee?
| hi-v-rocknroll wrote:
| As long as the cables reach because it's a drum machine
| running from a program.
|
| You can even go Marty McFly on the ground jamming on the
| keys and kick over the subs if you really want to.
|
| EDIT: PS: If you kick over my sub, your foot will break
| from either the sub itself or this 6 pound sledgehammer
| foot detector. Fair warning.
| bravura wrote:
| What does a drummer use for birth control? Their personality.
|
| (Agree with sibling posts, getting a great drummer is hard and
| amazing.)
| beretguy wrote:
| I'm slow. Can somebody explain all the drummer jokes? What's
| wrong with drummers?
| meowtimemania wrote:
| Often the drum pattern that best fits into a song is
| simple/boring. Maybe stereotypically, it's hard for the
| drummer to resist "overdoing" the drums.
|
| I think there's a metaphor that can be applied to software
| engineers.
| lukas099 wrote:
| There are jokes about all instruments, but some seem to get
| the brunt of them. In orchestra it's the viola
| nineteen999 wrote:
| They beat on things with sticks, like a caveman. It's low
| hanging fruit. The bass player often cops it to a lesser
| extent as well, it's how singers and guitar players retain
| our false sense of superiority. We actually usually love
| our drummers (but only if their playing is on form,
| otherwise they cop abuse).
| wyclif wrote:
| Hard to find a good drummer. If you're in a developing
| world country, even harder because drum kits take up
| valuable space.
|
| Pro tip: Having a hard time finding a good drummer? Steal
| one from another band. Of course, your band has to treat
| them better than the old band. This is a time-tested and
| proven stratagem.
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| we're the coolest, it makes the note players jealous.
| commandlinefan wrote:
| Do you know what they call people who hang around with
| musicians?
|
| Drummers.
| maw wrote:
| How do you know that there's a drummer at your door? The
| knocking speeds up.
| jaybrendansmith wrote:
| you meant to say "good drummers"
| htrp wrote:
| Can we page the owners/devs of the app to at least explain what
| they've built and at least answer some questions about it?
| pg5 wrote:
| Hi, I'm here. I built this as an alternative to city-based
| Facebook groups (for people who don't use it) and in part to
| learn React Native.
|
| It lets you create an artist profile, view nearby ones, match
| with them, then have a real-time chat with your matches.
|
| Added a "nearby concerts" tab mainly so that the first adopters
| in new areas would have something useful besides a blank
| screen.
| htrp wrote:
| Did you try/build on other frameworks ? What made you choose
| ReactNative?
| pvg wrote:
| That's effectively what 'Show HN' means - someone is posting
| their own work and is around to talk about it.
| higgins wrote:
| awesome app! how did you source the initial musicians before
| launch?
| pg5 wrote:
| Thanks! I suppose the answer is that I didn't. It's pretty
| empty right now, besides friends and the results of a recent
| Meta ad campaign.
| jyash97 wrote:
| Wow, I had a similar idea back in 2018 and I created a visual
| prototype for it with bunch of screens and did user interviews.
|
| I didnt get chance to look into the app fully yet, but my idea
| covered musicians and people ( like restaurant owner/mgr or other
| ) to hire musician, I also handled a way to find other band
| members too. Would love to share my idea and details in case you
| are interested
| ktbwrestler wrote:
| Damn this piques my interest, would love to hear more:
|
| jhg7nm at Virginia.edu
| pg5 wrote:
| In my spreadsheet of possible expansions, I do have "artist",
| "band" and "venue" specific profiles and some way to provide
| value to them, but I haven't really thought it through.
| throwaway22032 wrote:
| The League of Legends role selection screen comes to mind...
| pg5 wrote:
| Is that a good or bad thing?
| throwaway22032 wrote:
| Running joke that if you pick support you'll match in 1
| second
| irskep wrote:
| How does this differ from Vampr and Bandmix, which claim to be
| the same thing?
| pg5 wrote:
| Haven't used Vampr. I made this in part because I did not enjoy
| the "retro" UX of BandMix and the fact that you have to pay
| money to send a message.
| irskep wrote:
| It's literally a Tinder-style swipe interface for musician
| matching. I recommend taking a realistic look at your
| competition.
| javier123454321 wrote:
| From what I can tell, it's worse than Vampr, but also has a
| smaller network.
| wizardwes wrote:
| Installed to give it a look, but, sadly, as expected, nobody in
| my area, and concerts are basically non-existent.
| pg5 wrote:
| I considered making my own profile visible to everyone
| regardless of distance.
| wizardwes wrote:
| Would be cute, kinda like MySpace, but I think would detract
| from the experience if there are people in your area, unless
| it was always the first one to show up, and only ever when
| you first open the app
| paxys wrote:
| Unless there are somehow millions of musicians looking to get
| matched in a single city, the "swipe" UI is pointless and will
| just make the whole thing unusable. The search + filter pattern
| for online datasets was perfected many decades ago. Use it.
| Philip-J-Fry wrote:
| Yeah, swiping is a dark pattern employed by dating apps.
|
| Even with millions of users, there's better ways to match
| people up than a simple swipe. It's to keep people at the mercy
| of an algorithm where spending money is the only way to get any
| sort of control over what you see.
|
| It exists only for shady monetisation.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| Actually if you use the same interface for recommendation
| systems for content (say RSS feed items, videos, etc.) you
| get much better results than western content recommenders
| which don't get accurate negative samples. It finally hit me
| the reason I didn't understand a lot of the recommender
| literature is that it doesn't make sense and it's
| transformative to treat recommendation as a classification
| problem the way TikTok does. The real Dark Pattern is that
| YouTube and every other western app looks like
|
| https://marvelpresentssalo.com/wp-
| content/uploads/2015/09/id...
|
| where you can't conclude anything at all because a user
| didn't click on an item. (That and the scan-ignore-repeat UI
| paradigm that has kept RSS readers thoroughly out of the
| mainstream forever)
|
| Even if you want to have a search-based UI it would still
| make sense to show you one match at a time and let you thumbs
| up and thumbs down and have the system remember your choices
| so you can come back next week and look at new items without
| the considerable cognitive burden of ignoring. But say "see
| something once, why see it again?" and people look at you
| like you're a psycho killer. The whole advertising economy
| though is based fundamentally on spamming you with the same
| crap over and over and a 'dislike' button that works
| (negative sampling) would end it overnight, i guess there's a
| reason why you can't explain something to a person whose
| paycheck is based on not understanding it.
| derefr wrote:
| > it's transformative to treat recommendation as a
| classification problem the way TikTok does
|
| Treating recommendation as a classification problem has all
| sorts of flaws, mostly down to normalizing the user's
| indications into a larger model. People will be more
| passive sometimes and more engaged at other times.
| Sometimes they'll blindly accept and watch everything that
| comes along (or blindly swipe right on every match, etc);
| other times they'll be very choosey.
|
| It's kind of the same problems that asking users for star
| ratings has -- people interpret the meaning of "one star"
| or "three stars" or "five stars" differently; and there are
| selection biases on when people will bother to vote at all.
| (The Netflix Prize was a _challenge_ for a reason!)
|
| You can avoid all these temporal and selection biases,
| though, because content recommendation is actually
| ultimately a _ranking_ problem: any recommendation
| algorithm ultimately wants to generate a subjective ranking
| of its universe of items, such that everything gets put in
| a sequence, with the thing the user would most like to see
| next, first.
|
| And conveniently, we already have a mathematically-perfect
| way to do ranking: ELO. Or, in app UX terms: the classical
| HotOrNot design, where you're presented with exactly two
| options, and you have to pick one as being better than the
| other. And you get to see the each option several times,
| paired against different other options each time.
|
| In user-engagement terms, a HotOrNot interface would be
| just as much of a "dark pattern" as a Tinder interface. But
| in recommendation-tuning terms, the backend of a HotOrNot-
| UX app _could_ build you a subjective scoring function that
| 's much more accurate, much sooner.
|
| > you can't conclude anything at all because a user didn't
| click on an item
|
| The real negative signal that sites like YouTube (and to a
| degree, TikTok) use, is landing on something though a more
| passive engagement action (e.g. auto-play next) and this
| inducing engagement in a previously-passively-consuming
| user to "get away" from this content.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| Classification gives you calibrated scores that you can
| use together with other information. A classifier may not
| be the ideal recommender by itself but it is a good
| component.
|
| A probability score for "will he like it?" works as a
| ranking score in my experience with some caveats which
| aren't so much about the score as a score but that
| recommendation is really a sequential problem. That is,
| if I get different versions of the same news article that
| all score 0.9, it might be OK to show me one or two
| articles from that list. I believe people's satisfaction
| with an article is greatly influenced by being spammed
| with too much of the same thing and that is not so
| influenced by ranking scores.
|
| I'll go so far as to say full text search should also be
| treated as a classification problem, in particularly you
| need a probability score if you want to make a service
| like "Google Alerts" where you tell people about new
| marching documents. Also if you are trying to combine
| several radically different searchers (like IBM Watson
| did back in the day) the probability score is essential.
| codetrotter wrote:
| I mean. Tinder is pretty awful in general. But the UI does
| have some merit. It's exactly the idea of _not_ filling out
| pages and pages of details about yourself that is great. And
| likewise, being able _in principle_ to randomly find
| potential partners that you would not had you gone the route
| of manually tweaking a bunch of search parameters that your
| potential partner has to fit.
|
| Swipe UI is not the problem. Tinder is separately awful
| independently of its UI.
| gizajob wrote:
| The UI has some merit for attractive people.
| solumos wrote:
| wait, why isn't there a dating app that has this?
| derefr wrote:
| Because then people would drill down and either find their
| perfect partner quickly, or figure out there's nobody
| compatible with them on the app quickly; and either way,
| delete the app.
|
| Dating app monetization creates a principal-agent problem:
| both subscriptions (for paid apps) and advertising/data-
| brokering (for free apps) are revenue streams that depend on
| people engaging with the app as much as possible -- which
| people who actually manage to find solid romantic
| relationships won't do.
|
| The only good dating app monetization model, would be a one-
| time-fee model. This would induce the correct incentives: as
| long as people are on the app, they continue to be a cost
| burden on the service with no further revenue -- so, like
| people hogging a table at a restaurant, the service would be
| motivated to satisfy them and get them out the door!
|
| But AFAIK, nobody has ever done this yet. (I think it's just
| because such a site would make so much less money than the
| traditional "milk your user base eternally" type of dating
| site. And people who build dating sites are usually in it for
| the money.)
| zero-sharp wrote:
| We need an open dating platform. "OpenHinge"?
| gizajob wrote:
| When it first started, OKCupid was about the perfect
| dating platform until Match.com bought it and totally
| killed the functionality with monetisation.
| eddythompson80 wrote:
| I don't know if the timeline of events supports that
| entirely. Match.com bought OkCupid in 2011. OkCupid
| didn't start becoming Tinder-like until Match merged with
| Tinder in 2017.
|
| There was also very little changes made to OkCupid core
| functionality between 2011 and 2016. Most monetized
| features predated the match.com acquisition, though I
| think the price increased at some point.
| excalibur wrote:
| In the world of dating, "open" doesn't mean what you
| think it means.
| zero-sharp wrote:
| "AjarHinge"?
| RunningDroid wrote:
| Sounds like Alovoa: https://alovoa.com/ /
| https://github.com/Alovoa/Alovoa/
| eddythompson80 wrote:
| Because they all used to be that (see old OkCupid, match.com,
| Plenty of Fish, etc), but swiping apps stole the majority of
| their user base when they came around and every app had to
| become another swiping app to attract users. 9 times out of
| 10, the person being approached is gonna look at the
| approaching person's pictures and "basic stats" (age, height,
| kids, religion, job, education, pets, smoking) and decide
| yes/no. So what's the point of all the other stuff?
| RunSet wrote:
| LokiList.com[0] is a free, anonymous online personals site
| intended as a replacement for Craigslist's Casual Encounters.
| It also allows searching by A/S/L[1].
|
| [0] https://www.lokilist.com/about.php
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age/sex/location
| saila wrote:
| Considering how important style is in most genres, I think the
| swipe interface could be a good way to quickly find better
| potential matches, assuming there's a pre-filter based on your
| selected genres.
|
| If I was looking to start a band today, I'd definitely give
| this kind of thing a try.
| chrisin2d wrote:
| Furthermore, this photo-forward interface design pattern
| presents candidates' physical attractiveness as the most
| salient feature. While this is desirable in a dating app, this
| is probably not very relevant for assessing people for their
| potential as musical collaborators.
|
| From the top of my head, I'm going to guess people want (1)
| personable and agreeable bandmates with (2) compatible music
| styles, (3) musical talent and skill, and (4) can play
| instruments or roles that a band is missing.
|
| So the interface should support users in presenting and finding
| these traits. If I were to design it, I'd have:
|
| - Auto-playing music sample gallery. This is the most important
| thing to present. The current design asks the user to dig into
| Youtube and Soundcloud links -- which is very high-friction and
| would have the user jumping between this app and other apps
| every few seconds.
|
| - One-minute self-introduction video. This helps the user grok
| the general 'vibe' of someone.
|
| - Allow users to connect their Spotify or other music accounts.
| Then show users their shared music interests. This can provide
| another clue about having compatible musical personalities.
| arcticfox wrote:
| I like your ideas, and I feel like tiktok/reels would be the
| better base for this type of app than tinder
| pg5 wrote:
| I agree with pretty much all this. I avoided in-app videos
| because of the complexity and cost of building a
| transcoding/streaming system. But I suppose audio-only
| wouldn't be too bad.
| pg5 wrote:
| Good point, I do intend to add genre and instrument filtering.
| I figured I had some time to do that since there are barely any
| users. Not much point of having filtering if there are 5 people
| in your area.
| PUSH_AX wrote:
| Ease of recording has made remote bands and collaborations very
| common, you can trade stems with people anywhere and make music.
|
| This would be a million times more useful without the
| geographical restriction, although I concede if the true intent
| is to make in person bands then sure, it's useful. Just consider
| the wider market.
| pg5 wrote:
| A lot of people have mentioned this, so I'll add the toggle to
| disable "local artists only" to the top of my TODO. Though I
| suppose genre filtering would need to be built first, or it
| would be obnoxious.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| Genre is probably a prerequisite, yeah. I wouldn't want to
| use something that basically firehosed every metal guitarist
| on earth into my feed when I'm looking for someone who's into
| post-rock (or whatever)
| amelius wrote:
| Using this terminology you might as well call Uber: "Tinder" but
| for finding a cab driver.
| eweise wrote:
| Looks good. Wish it was a website though.
| winternett wrote:
| Does the app feature music by musicians? As a musician that's
| what I'd expect to see myself, because seeing a bunch of people
| only talking about what they do is useless in terms of conveying
| style and skill. It also enables scammers and fraud if people
| aren't required to at least upload a video of themselves in
| action.
|
| Back in the old days, we had a local paper that allowed musicians
| to connect from a classified section, and boy was it scary
| meeting some of the strangers that posted in there to jam.
| wheels wrote:
| There's a simple website for where I live (Berlin) which is
| basically musical want ads. Biggest problem is that while it
| allows it, most musicians don't include an audio clip. People
| self-describing their musical ability is almost entirely
| useless.
| jdiez17 wrote:
| What's the website called?
| wheels wrote:
| https://www.berlinmusiker.de/
| pg5 wrote:
| Since this is the first iteration, I went the easiest route
| where people link their SoundCloud/Spotify/or Youtube channel.
|
| I considered having MP3 uploads or even video uploads, but
| didn't seem worth it building a transcoding/streaming system,
| when someone could still upload things that is not them
| playing.
|
| Another idea is to "verify" linked Spotify accounts by having
| the artist place a short random code in their Spotify bio, to
| prove they are actually the artist.
| wheels wrote:
| You're missing the bulk of the already small market if you're
| assuming people signing up for your app will universally have
| Spotify tracks up or their own YouTube channel. Soundcloud is
| more likely, but still not a given, as it's geared towards
| mostly finished tracks. Hint: the most sought after band
| members are bassists and drummers, and they don't tend to do
| solo tracks.
|
| You want people to be able to have a low quality video of
| them noodling or playing along to something for 30 seconds.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| I think, fwiw, I would rather work with someone who has the
| drive and motivation to finish a track of their own than
| merely recruit a noodler. I think that from a management
| perspective, I would also abhor opening up any sort of
| video/audio sharing because then you're a target for the
| majors and you get DMCA'd into the ground when kids start
| uploading their remixes of Taylor Swift songs or whatever.
| wheels wrote:
| I work in the music industry. An important thing said
| once to my arrogant twenty something self by a product
| manager: "Our market is amateurs. The pro market is a
| unsustainably tiny." There's basically no product in the
| music industry that can be supported by just pros. There
| just aren't very many of them.
|
| And again, most drummers and bass players don't create
| complete tracks on their own, and they're the main thing
| people are looking for. And honestly, a lot of drummers
| and bass players don't want to come into a band where the
| guitar player has already decided what the bass and drum
| parts should be. You can get a lot from listening to
| sketches / noodling. (By noodling I mean mainly
| improvising something unaccompanied, not necessarily
| trying to win the gold medal at guitar gymnastics.)
|
| I'm a bass player. A younger version of myself lived from
| playing bass for a couple years. I still play quite a few
| gigs. I very, very rarely produce tracks (one every few
| years), and there's very little of my bass playing
| online.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| Interesting. My perspective is pretty skewed as a semi-
| pro musician and someone who is mostly a recording artist
| and not a live band/jam guy. I think there are a lot of
| people who CAN do it all but might be open to collabs
| with the right person(s). You are correct that the pro
| market is vanishingly small but if OP thinks they're
| making any money off of bassists who could just post on
| Craigslist I think they're in for a surprise.
| wheels wrote:
| I've used sites that are trying something similar to find
| bands in the past. So I think I'm pretty close to the
| target market (or have been in my past). I don't want to
| post bass-player-looking-for-band on Craigslist or such
| -- did it once, and you get swamped by shitty bands who
| mostly still don't send any audio.
|
| As a bass player, I want to hear if the singer can sing,
| and if the sketches of songs are good.
|
| I can also play all of the standard band instruments at
| varying levels of competence, but I'm not much of a
| songwriter. What people expect from bass players and
| drummers is that they are good at catching things quickly
| and writing interesting parts.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| For sure. When I've played bass in bands or filled up a
| stage for a live show, that skill is indispensable. And I
| don't mean to downplay the importance of gigging or band-
| formation for this kind of thing: OP should cater to as
| many people as possible. I was originally just saying
| that I understand the desire to outsource content hosting
| to avoid the long fingers of the majors or user-generated
| content controversies.
| jimbokun wrote:
| So you don't need an app like this in order to find gigs
| or collaborators.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| I don't know. Similar to comment OP I don't "need" it but
| I think it's cool and it has the potential to be better
| than Craigslist.
| jimbokun wrote:
| Record a couple minutes of you playing something, upload it
| to your YouTube channel, and submit the link.
|
| You're acting like young people wanting to join a band
| don't know how to post things on the Internet.
| wheels wrote:
| Are you a musician? Have you ever used a site like this?
|
| My comments are literally based on the disappointments in
| using similar sites in the past. Most people don't add
| audio. Profiles without audio are useless. Making (and
| possibly providing minimal vetting?) people post audio
| would already be a big step in the right direction.
| teucris wrote:
| Just my experience but as a musician who used Bandmix for
| a while, I found that most profiles I was interested had
| audio. It felt like it was expected and profiles without
| links to audio weren't complete.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| It's awesome that you did the simplest thing. Whenever I've
| done these kinds of attempts to collab with strangers online
| kinds of things, I've always found that people will express a
| desire to be in a band but are awful at creating music. Just
| requesting that someone posts a sample through another
| channel is a great idea. Do you think this could become toxic
| though? Like people stealing tracks and trying to release
| them? My guess is no but you never know.
|
| Anyway - great call on the song requirement, for a lot of us,
| it's important to know that the people we work with can
| operate a daw and solve their own problems and care about
| creating a finished product. Unless they're incredibly
| talented instrumentalists (usually not the case, they find
| bands) at a certain point it becomes either a jam sesh (not
| interested) or you become a producer for someone who isn't
| very good.
| wheels wrote:
| > _Unless they're incredibly talented instrumentalists
| (usually not the case, they find bands) at a certain point
| it becomes either a jam sesh (not interested) or you become
| a producer for someone who isn't very good._
|
| For the case of instrumentalists finding bands -- the times
| I've used sites like this in the past are right after a
| move or considering stepping out of the music scene that
| I've been in (going from techno back to bass).
|
| Also I feel like the Tinder-like mechanics would be suited
| to cities with big music scenes. You're right that it's
| easy to just stumble into everyone in smaller places. What
| I've enjoyed some on musician-finding sites is the ability
| go genre shopping to some extent. Sometimes I run across
| stuff I think I'd enjoy playing that probably wouldn't have
| popped out of my social network.
| jimbokun wrote:
| Would be cool to have a version of this app that banned photos,
| and only allowed music samples as an introduction.
| novaomnidev wrote:
| What does swiping left mean? I may not want to collab with
| someone for a particular project but that doesn't mean I never
| want to see their profile again. Also swiping left feels like
| rejecting them. What if I'm just browsing the artists? I don't
| want to be rejecting while I'm browsing options.
|
| Also why am I limited to my area? I want to be able to
| collaborate digitally. I don't need to be in close proximity to
| do that. I ran out of people in my area after 2 left swipes.
|
| I would like to just click on the genre of artist I want, hear a
| sample of their work and then be able to message and favorite the
| ones I like.
| pg5 wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback! Having a skip, but not reject sounds
| useful.
|
| I have in the roadmap a "don't limit to my area" option!
|
| Also plan to have some sort of inline playable sample on the
| profile, but haven't figured out the best way to do that -
| video vs audio vs embedding SoundCloud or YouTube.
| financetechbro wrote:
| A neat idea would be to have "projects." Each account/profile
| has a default/personal "project," meaning a contained
| instance of matching. But they're also able to create
| additional "projects." So if someone wants to look for a
| match for a specific project or a new band they can create a
| new project and swipe across all accounts. Would be cool to
| set up filters when creating a project, so that the options
| to swipe are more relevant to the current "project" at hand.
| Making it easier to find a match
| chillingeffect wrote:
| Love this! Bc my various music styles are very different!
| trenchgun wrote:
| TikTok is your top competitor. Your edge aganst it is that
| you are focused on musicians only. BTW TikTok has swiping
| down to go to next video, up to go back, left to go to live,
| and the like, follow, comment etc.
|
| But yeah, "don't limit to area" should be top priority if you
| want to scale.
| bredren wrote:
| > but haven't figured out the best way to do that...
|
| The best way is whatever the musician has available and is
| comfortable sharing. Allow any of the embeddings or ability
| to upload a clip you'll host. Start with the easiest and ping
| your subscribers each time you add another one.
| ramraj07 wrote:
| So you're asking for okcupid of band mates when OP made
| tinder..
| mgbmtl wrote:
| More like Feeld, imo :)
|
| (Feeld also lets you skip a profile, and get back to it
| later)
| Stratoscope wrote:
| This is the same problem that every modern dating site seems to
| have after they copied Tinder.
|
| Swipe left - I never want to see this person again!
|
| Swipe right - I must contact this person right now!
|
| What happened to the idea of curating a list of interesting
| people who I may or may not want to meet right this moment, but
| I would like to make a list that I can refer to later?
|
| Just look at OkCupid for what a disaster this turns into. I see
| an interesting young lady, but it may be late at night (like
| 2AM my time right now).
|
| I would like to put her on my personal list of someone I may
| want to contact at a more reasonable hour, and after I've had a
| chance to read her profile more thoroughly.
|
| My only choices are to swipe left and forget her forever, or
| swipe right and send her a "like" and I'd better send her a
| message right now!
|
| Maybe there are a few young ladies I may be interested in
| contacting.
|
| Why doesn't the site let me make a list of them?
|
| I did finally figure out a hack. If I click the little "down
| arrow" at the bottom of the main page, it takes me to her
| profile. Then I can use the "share" link in Chrome to create a
| draft in Gmail with a link to her profile!
|
| I have a lot of drafts now.
|
| This really sucks. If you are a dating site, just let me make a
| list of the profiles of interesting young ladies!
|
| The same applies to a site for musicians I may want to contact
| to play music with.
| vincefav wrote:
| I would love a "maybe" button for apps like this. Apartment
| List is the only one I've seen with this option, and it's
| useful for all the reasons you've described. Glad to know I'm
| not the only one with this frustration.
| derefr wrote:
| If there _were_ a "maybe" button, then you could just click
| "maybe" on every single entry (or have a bot do that for
| you), and thus end up with the thing that's anathema to the
| Tinder monetization model: a directory of all users, for you
| to browse at your leisure, filtering and sorting and picking
| and choosing from it as _you_ like, rather than as The
| Algorithm likes. (Which in turn means they could no longer
| upcharge people to appear immediately in other people 's
| queues, etc etc.)
|
| ---
|
| Mind you, the more charitable argument is that allowing this
| would also massively decrease matches. Everyone would just
| say "maybe" to everyone else, because _nobody_ is ever
| _immediately sure_ that they like someone; the likelihood of
| two people both actually going back to their "maybes" to say
| "yes" to one another, and getting a mutual match, would drop
| to zero.
|
| The Tinder model forces you to make a decision before you can
| move on, because the FOMO feeling generated by the possiblity
| of never seeing the person again if you press "no", is
| literally the only way to get a "yes" out of many people. An
| app based on a requirement of _mutual_ matching, just wouldn
| 't work without that coercion in place.
|
| ---
|
| That being said, there's a lot you could do to ameliorate
| both concerns. You could limit the number of "maybes" someone
| could hold onto at a time; and you could make "maybes"
| expire, so that a person has to _eventually_ make a decision
| on them before they can move on. (Instead of "maybe",
| perhaps call the associated action "review later"?)
| tflol wrote:
| a hack solution to your problem could be to become
| romantically involved with every option in as little time as
| possible
| lovegrenoble wrote:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/BandMatch/
|
| nothing
| pg5 wrote:
| I'm not exactly sure what you were expecting - the app has been
| live for a day
| ElevenLathe wrote:
| Congratulations on yet another novel attempt to apply the swipe-
| based matching algorithm that has so effectively revolutionized
| hookups to the world of music creation. It's heartwarming to see
| how technology keeps pushing the boundaries of human interaction,
| from love and sex to now forming musical collaborations. I can
| just envision the future where we'll have swipe-based tools for
| finding roommates, jobs, and even toilet paper preferences. But
| seriously, best of luck to all the aspiring musicians out there,
| may BandMatch bring you one step closer to your musical dreams.
| pg5 wrote:
| RoomMateMatch, JobMatch, and ToiletPaperMatch are all in the
| works, I just have to copy paste the repo and find-replace the
| brand names.
| zero-sharp wrote:
| Plot twist: ToiletPaperMatch doesn't use a swiping UI.
| simondotau wrote:
| Yeah, more of a pinch and twist.
| RajT88 wrote:
| Great. A whole new trend of exaggeration and outright lying on
| social apps.
|
| ISO - band. Lead guitar player, regularly practices Yngwie
| Malmsteen songs.
| aantix wrote:
| What's the equivilent of marketing/engineering matching, for
| founding a company?
| pg5 wrote:
| Have you tried YC's Co-founder matching tool?
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| Just a comment - love the idea, going to use this, I think it's a
| good idea not to lead with "Tinder for X". At this point Tinder
| occupies a pretty bad lexical territory of being one of the
| classic examples of anti-user practices and enshittification.
| pg5 wrote:
| Ah, I wasn't aware of the connotation. Luckily, this post is
| the only place where I've described it in that way.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| Yep, just 2 cents from me! Excited to see how the app
| develops!
| arnorhs wrote:
| Would be interested in testing, however not available in my
| country.. is there a particular reason? Seems like some artists
| like to collaborate across borders.. it's not like a dating app
| where your location is crucial, and you want certain level of
| usage saturation in a particular region before expanding.. I
| guess what I'm saying is: why not open for all regions?
| pg5 wrote:
| I didn't want to release the app without proper translations
| for the target countries. FYI - I haven't yet implemented the
| feature to toggle off "local-only" artists.
| Angostura wrote:
| Which language do you think is most popular in the UK? :)
| Nevermark wrote:
| Not American!
|
| We _apologize_ for the inconvenience, but unfortunately,
| our _specialized_ app is not _authorized_ to operate or
| cash _checks_ from your financial _center_ due to a
| _catalog_ of _regionalized_ legal financial terminology,
| and therefore, we cannot _fulfill_ a properly
| _personalized_ vernacular experience.
|
| Unfortunately, this language barrier also prohibits any
| user _dialog_ about future support for your _neighborhood_.
| _See ya, buddy!_ _Aluminum!_
|
| / _humor_
|
| (Disclaimer - Not actually associated with the site, but
| having lived in both countries, I feel so very qualified to
| clear things up.)
| lloeki wrote:
| My tongue in cheek take :)
|
| https://ibb.co/8DGyTyK
| hedora wrote:
| I'm imagining a version of your app where the artist profile
| display is a solid color (chosen by the artist), the profile
| is an audio clip, and when the second person swipes right, it
| displays a text box that sends a message to the other person.
|
| In v2, you could add profile pics, but the hard part would be
| finding artists similar to previously "liked" ones.
|
| Is there a foundation model for music yet? If so, I think
| it's just a matter of sticking an embedding for each audio
| clip into pgvector or whatever.
|
| Anyway, since the gui has no text, you get
| internationalization on day one!
| lawlorino wrote:
| IMO English only is better than nothing, support can always
| be added later. I live in Finland and guess the probability
| of translation to Finnish is somewhere on the order of 0.1%.
| It's also not really needed since a large majority of people
| here under the age of 50 speak English pretty well.
| pineaux wrote:
| Same for the Netherlands. Fun fact: a majority of Dutch
| people prefers to have their apps in English.
| arnorhs wrote:
| The internet would have never existed with that kind of
| thinking.
|
| Imagine if every website needed to be translated to 500
| languages before you can order a domain.
|
| Esp ironic, since I absolutely hate seeing my native language
| (icelandic) in UI translations... It's rare and when it's
| translated I have to translate the text to the English
| counterpart in my head before I grok the thing.
| Kiro wrote:
| > I didn't want to release the app without proper
| translations for the target countries.
|
| Not a valid reason. No-one in my country cares whether an app
| is translated or not. In fact, I find it kind of patronizing
| that you feel the need to shelter us like that. I always set
| the language to English even if the app has first-class
| translations.
|
| > I haven't yet implemented the feature to toggle off "local-
| only" artists.
|
| That's a valid reason.
| ericyd wrote:
| Love the idea, but I've tried similar apps in the past and they
| all suffer from lack of critical mass, and/or lots of accounts
| with little activity. I'd love it if this one were different, but
| Craigslist has been the most consistent way I've found to connect
| with musicians.
|
| Other services I've tried are Hendrix (gohendrix.com) and Vampr
| abhpro wrote:
| Yeah apps like this are kinda doa unless you got a huge
| marketing budget
| paul7986 wrote:
| I joined a similar app .. it has a lot reviews in the app store
| (not to say those are real lol) and i was excited to join and
| meet fellow local musicians.
|
| If you thought online dating was hard and judgemental ... finding
| musicians to play music is even more judgemental .. if you are a
| good to great singer for instance these apps will keep you busy.
| Personally i just wanted to connect and play music without the
| judgement (tho do want you to be able to actually play an
| instrument fairly well .. strum chords on guitar and lets sing
| along as we strum together).
|
| I posted songs i wrote where professional singers were singing
| them and those got people reaching out. Their messages were like
| good song and did you sing that (i noted i did not) but they
| became disinterested when they truly realized i was not the
| singer.
| nineteen999 wrote:
| Great, I was looking for a baritone sax player for a demo just
| yesterday. Look forward to seeing it available in my part of the
| world.
| benenglish wrote:
| Can't believe you don't have the UK :/
| pg5 wrote:
| Updated both app stores so it's available in the UK and
| Australia. Unsure how fast it takes effect.
| VoodooJuJu wrote:
| I think this would be awesome as a normal search classifieds kind
| of thing, not as a Tinder thing.
|
| Tinder's selling point isn't the swiping mechanism itself, but
| that it's taking something publicly taboo, harem culture, and
| enabling it by taking it private, with a discrete, subtle, and
| low-stakes mechanism for participating in that culture.
|
| There's nothing to hide when it comes to finding musicians to jam
| with, so that's why I think a more traditional search & filter
| thing would be better suited for this.
| arrowsmith wrote:
| There are already tons of "find a bandmate" classified ads
| sites that work exactly like you describe. E.g.
| https://bandmix.co.uk/
| biscuits1 wrote:
| BandStand, Sideman, SoundMate... or eHarmony.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| I would rather see a playlist of musicians filtered by style and
| experience and then skip through the playlist as I listen and
| have a contact button. A tinder interface doesn't really make
| sense for music.
| liquid153 wrote:
| What a dumb app
| Minor49er wrote:
| Found the guitarist
| Ylpertnodi wrote:
| As a guitarist I tend blame the bass players of the world.
| _sys49152 wrote:
| ugh. had this idea more than 14 years ago with nothing to do it
| for. hope the concept takes off.
| epcoa wrote:
| Notably an even higher risk of VD than Tinder, sources say.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| Timbre was right there.
| bpm140 wrote:
| I saw down below that you're not familiar with Vampr, which is
| very similar to what your screenshots suggest.
|
| Moments like this always make me sad. Even a cursory web search
| would have surfaced Vampr, along with several other find-a-
| bandmate sites.
|
| Weeks or even months of work because Googling was too much
| trouble.
|
| So what happens now?
|
| Do you let sunk cost dictate your actions and force you to
| continue working on an undifferentiated and far less feature-rich
| product?
|
| Or do you stop working on your app and just start using Vampr?
| 12907835202 wrote:
| I think this would work better if it had 2 modes, one built by
| scraping/bots from public listings, sound cloud etc, which would
| let you discover and reach out on those platforms.
|
| And one powered by "list yourself" where people would create
| their profiles to make themselves easier to discover.
|
| This would avoid the issue of not having many users initially
| whilst also making it interesting to use.
| 1270018080 wrote:
| It's been awhile since I've seen one of these. The Tinder of
| ________ is a vintage meme in tech entrepreneurship.
| bustylasercanon wrote:
| This is such a good idea.
| dmix wrote:
| I love this idea, two things:
|
| 1) You should have "drum machine" or "sampler" as an instrument
| option for hip-hop/electronic producers looking to connect with
| other beatmakers, I get it's for live band type stuff but plenty
| of electronic-based production teams double up and form teams.
|
| 2) The email entry box on the first screen of the mobile app is
| some non-standard input. I had to manually type in my email when
| every other app autocomplted with 1password
| pg5 wrote:
| Ah thanks! I don't know how I missed #2, but both are easy
| fixes and I'll knock em out.
| sergiotapia wrote:
| I play guitar - never played live with any group. Has anyone
| played in a "virtual band" does that even work or does the
| latency kill it?
| Ylpertnodi wrote:
| Having a backing track is a great way to practice. You can
| replay the tune over and over to practice, the band 'members'
| never get tired...ever. Being able to program/ write backing
| tracks (on computer) is a sneaky way of getting into
| programming too (editing vsts etc).
| analog31 wrote:
| I did this during the pandemic, using Jamulus. I'm a jazz
| bassist. I felt that the amount of latency was a mixed bag,
| depending on your Internet service. Just because you're in
| close physical proximity to other players doesn't mean your
| latency is short.
|
| Also, it works as advertised if you play an electric instrument
| and can block out the natural sound of your instrument with
| headphones. For this reason, electric bass was a lot easier
| than upright bass for me.
|
| Many of the musicians are not techies, and explaining these
| details is impossible. "I took my headphones off because
| hearing the mix was messing me up" is a constant refrain.
| Trying to maintain a sense of time under those circumstances
| made it mentally fatiguing to play, and no fun, so I eventually
| gave up and started just working on my technique and
| improvisation.
|
| Jamming with people outdoors was a lot more fun.
| Perenti wrote:
| How can I use this without a smartphone?
| blueprint wrote:
| Too bad this one never took off - it looked amazing at the time
|
| https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/3/16082864/treble-fm-social-...
| timnetworks wrote:
| I don't know how to play, but I would like to.
|
| I'm the kind of person that needs stuff to be a group activity or
| I lose interest very very quickly.
|
| Clone the app and call it L2Play, there's a bunch of noobs just
| like me.
|
| edit - Lock it geographically, but not temporally. I'm as
| interested now as I was 6 months ago and will be 6 months from
| now.
| VikingCoder wrote:
| Please allow switching to Online Collaboration. I'd prefer to
| find someone local, but until then, I'd be open to online
| connections.
| fagrobot wrote:
| funk yes!
| ultra-giraffe wrote:
| Neat idea but the musician directory seems buggy. After scrolling
| once through a few musicians I can't seem to return to them.
| Eventually the entire list disappears and I get a "no musicians
| in your area" message. No documentation, user guide, or support
| that I could find. It would be cool to see this working or to
| understand how to use it... i'm an amateur musician who has
| thought of looking for others to jam with.
| unixhero wrote:
| Does anything like this exist for friends? 40+ is a lonely
| existence. I have seen that at this stage the number of
| interactions with friends are dwindling...
| analognoise wrote:
| Right? Can we just have tinder but for cool projects and
| friendships?
| neom wrote:
| I used bumbles "Friends Mode" and found some cool dudes my age
| to chill with...but.. then I realized I didn't actually want to
| make new friends I wanted to be less lonely, so I just started
| volunteering instead.
| SethMurphy wrote:
| I find that the more music creation and distribution is gamified,
| the less gratifying it is for me. Discovery of the music and
| people who share your distinct musical passions is such and
| important part of the process of enjoying music and it's
| creation. On first look I thought, interesting, why would they go
| ruin the best (if also one of the more frustrating) parts of
| music creation. No thanks, too derivative and solving a problem
| in a way that feels icky to me.
| normcoreashore wrote:
| So true. get out there, go to shows, find/attend jam sessions
| by asking around, visit studios, make friends in person.
| pineaux wrote:
| Lovely! When will this roll out in the EU?
| paines wrote:
| Is this country filtered? iOS->latest Update->not available in
| Germany...
| atmanactive wrote:
| I found recommended concerts useful.
| crawsome wrote:
| This has been done before, and it was free. It was called
| "Grouptones"
|
| It was cool. Sadly it's no longer up.
|
| https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/grouptones-help-to-bring-...
| leadguit wrote:
| Make sure you check the name - there is a website called
| bandmatch already, which is a somewhat established platform
| (granted, it's I think only for DACH meaning: Switzerland
| (primarily), Austria, Germany, and is a traditional blackboard
| style site, but naming conflicts are never fun). Unless your
| affiliated with them of course: https://www.bandmatch.ch
| nemoniac wrote:
| Needs a GDPR statement to be legal in EU and UK.
| teucris wrote:
| I'm loving the feedback everyone is posting here. While there are
| some cynics, you all have posted a treasure trove of useful
| insights for this creator. And for people like me who are
| constantly trying to improve user experience for the products
| they make, reading these comments has been incredibly insightful.
| tiimbz wrote:
| Nice! How is this different from Vampr? [0] they use (or at
| least, used) the same tagline: 'Tinder, but for musicians to
| collaborate'
|
| [0] https://vampr.me/
| zerr wrote:
| Please provide desktop or web app. Not everyone uses iOS or
| Android devices.
| derefr wrote:
| I'm not disagreeing; they _should_ do this.
|
| But I would like to point out that these days, releasing an app
| as mobile-only really doesn't disenfranchise _that_ many
| people.
|
| * iOS apps _can_ be installed and used pretty transparently on
| Apple Silicon Macs;
|
| * and Android apps can likewise be installed and used pretty
| transparently on both Windows 11 (via Windows Subsystem for
| Android) and on ChromeOS.
|
| So by choosing to release an app as mobile-only, you're "only"
| excluding people without (even a very old!) smartphone, who are
| _also_ :
|
| * people with only Intel Macs;
|
| * people with only Windows PCs, who are stuck on a previous
| version of Windows;
|
| * or Linux users.
|
| That's... not too many people at this point. (And most of them
| live so far behind the curve that they wouldn't be interested
| in installing some bleeding-edge mobile app anyway.)
| derefr wrote:
| And, separate point, tangent to this:
|
| I would guess that probably most people in that state of "no
| smartphone _and_ no modern Windows /macOS/ChromeOS device",
| who would _also_ actually care about installing some random
| bleeding-edge app, are people who are in that state _by
| choice_ -- i.e. they 're not _unable_ , but rather
| _unwilling_ to use a mobile app, due to being extremely
| concerned with their privacy /anonymity.
|
| And being that kind of person, is actually kind of
| incompatible with being a "member in good standing" of a
| matchmaking service (whether the matchmaking is for dating;
| for getting a band together; for finding a babysitter; for
| renting a condo; etc.)
|
| Matchmaking apps only "work" insofar as they 1. can prevent
| catfishing, 2. can allow users to _permanently_ block others
| who are harassing them, and 3. can allow users to _report_
| spammers /scammers/etc in such a way that a bad actor will be
| _permanently_ removed from the platform altogether.
| Matchmaking apps that don 't make these guarantees, end up
| being negative-experience generators and go down in bad-PR
| flames.
|
| With the rise of botnets that use proxy IP addresses to
| register massive numbers of accounts on such services for
| nefarious purposes, the only way matchmaking services have
| been able to survive, is to require the user to at least
| complete initial registration through a device that can give
| a remote attestation that the user is _not_ in ultimate
| control of the device -- i.e. the device has a Trusted
| Computing Base _and_ has not been rooted -- and so the app is
| not being tampered with or fed false device metrics. (See
| also: browser integrity.)
|
| Wanting to have absolute privacy/anonymity, is fundamentally
| incompatible with using a device that's able to make such
| guarantees.
| xchip wrote:
| I can finally pretend to be pretty and able to play guitar
| cush wrote:
| I tried the app and have a bit of feedback
|
| Since it's designed to have people meet up, it's important to
| require a photo. It's a safety thing.
|
| This seems like it would be the first feature (what photo-swipe
| is to Tinder) but it would be nice if, when the card is
| displayed, you heard a sample of the musician's music. It's odd
| that the cards are silent. The entire app should be a sonic
| experience. Linking to YouTube is fine but why send people away
| from the app?
|
| Also, sad but true, don't forget to populate every major city
| with a few really good looking and sounding fake profiles. There
| were just 5 blank profiles near me.
| electrondood wrote:
| This is a great idea- sound samples per profile.
|
| Love the app idea!
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