[HN Gopher] Applying the Facade Pattern on Spotify for Artists
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Applying the Facade Pattern on Spotify for Artists
Author : cebert
Score : 18 points
Date : 2024-04-29 10:12 UTC (1 days ago)
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| nicholasjarnold wrote:
| I appreciate that the engineers at Spotify wrote this post, but
| not because it's a novel solution or because most software
| engineers don't know this stuff (well, some don't I suppose).
| However, I find it and others like it helpful to engineering
| groups that exist outside of tech companies.
|
| Why? It gives those groups and their technical leads something to
| point to when discussing trade-offs, timelines and investments in
| technology with product teams or more senior engineering
| leadership whom might not have had a background in software
| engineering and architecture. "Don't take my word for it, look at
| what the engineers at Spotify, et. al. wrote about this topic."
|
| Public service notice: Employing these patterns in small
| companies that don't have any need for the complexity is an anti-
| pattern.
| HenryBemis wrote:
| If only Spotify cared for users' input on the app, the app would
| feel/look/act much differently. Example - I hate
| "recommendations". Some time ago I could minimize them, now I
| cannot any more.. so the-ir garbage is visible.
|
| For any Spotify folks that read this.. anytime you build
| something, if you REALLY care for people's opinion, go ahead and
| add a On/Off/Show/Hide/True/False switch on the settings. Duh.. I
| hate what you do with the app!
| resource_waste wrote:
| When companies knowingly and intentionally abuse their
| customers, its time to change.
|
| The company is in a position of power. Microsoft, Apple,
| Google, all should be avoided if possible. Its not always
| possible as previously mentioned.
| egypturnash wrote:
| Vote with your feet. Stop using Spotify. Dust off your
| carefully-curated collection of music files and your favorite
| player. Find music review blogs or internet radio stations that
| you like. Start buying files again. Start buying CDs again and
| ripping them yourself.
|
| Spotify does what maximizes profit for Spotify, and after
| almost twenty years of expanding to dominate a lot of the
| online music space, this is _not_ going to match up much with
| maximizing its likelyhood to surprise and delight your ears.
| retrochameleon wrote:
| It's been something like 5 years with no significant
| improvement to UX and library management. Loading your library
| is clunky and slow. Playlists are a nightmare to manage because
| you can't create any folders or organization.
|
| I'm so annoyed with Spotify, but my library of 5k songs is tied
| up there, and I'm not a big fan of the alternatives that tend
| to be missing artists I want. It's so time-consuming to try to
| collect my own personal library of all this music.
|
| If anyone has suggestions or reccs for ways to migrate from
| Spotify, I'm open to options.
| mancharface1 wrote:
| > Playlists are a nightmare to manage because you can't
| create any folders or organization
|
| The desktop app on Mac allows for folder creation. While not
| looking very hard, I wasn't able to find the same
| functionality on iOS. Would be a nice addition to iOS if it
| is not available.
| legohead wrote:
| Spotify please listen to your customers and spend a minute or two
| implementing true shuffle [1], thank you.
|
| [1] https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/All-Platforms-
| Op...
| chrisweekly wrote:
| +1 yes, this. The ROI is there!
| InitialLastName wrote:
| >The ROI is there!
|
| I like the feature request, but is it? How many people are
| saying "I think I'll switch to Tidal" over a subtle feature
| like this? How many people prefer the faked shuffle way?
|
| What are the odds that Spotify originally did a true shuffle,
| then at some point A/B testing "proved" that the modified
| shuffle improved some metric? Not to mention that putting a
| thumb on the shuffle function lets them manipulate plays and
| maintain the sweet payola revenue.
| legohead wrote:
| I assume it's related to revenue somehow. They could hide
| true shuffle somewhere deep in settings, not on by default,
| whatever..
|
| I spend a good portion of my time changing playlists and
| restarting playlists just to get around their fake shuffle,
| and I still end up hearing repeated songs. It's extremely
| frustrating. I even tried out Amazon music, ready to make
| the switch, but my family members don't want to move with
| me, so I'm just dealing with Spotify for now. May end up
| paying for my own Amazon/Other music service as well.
| InitialLastName wrote:
| I think you're proving my point: Even you, someone who
| cares enough about the issue to work around it, continue
| to give them your money.
|
| I don't think what they're doing is my preference, but
| you can find complaints about the shuffle algorithms for
| every major music playback platform.
|
| What would be a more generalized solution might be to
| pick up the "Smart Playlist" concept that iTunes has had
| for a long time, so you can work around the repeats with
| a "Last played > 2 days ago" filter.
| enlyth wrote:
| > How many people prefer the faked shuffle way?
|
| I am one of those people who prefer the fake shuffle. I
| like how it kind of shuffles but still "knows" what I want
| to listen to. There is a decade's worth of music in my
| Liked Songs and my taste has changed over time, so I don't
| want to listen to most of that music at a given moment, but
| I still want to keep it there for archival/nostalgia
| purposes
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